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« on: March 20, 2014, 02:42:12 AM »
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  • Pope Pius XII helped to rally support for the founding of the state of Israel, the Pave the Way Foundation has shown.

    Research by the Pave the Way Foundation—a group dedicated to inter-religious understanding—has revealed that Pope Pius XII encouraged Catholic countries to support the UN partitioning of Palestinian territory that allowed for the Jєωιѕн homeland. Years earlier, while serving as a Vatican diplomat, then-Archbishop Eugenio Pacelli introduced the head of the Zionist Organization to Pope Benedict XV in 1917, and facilitated contacts between Zionist leaders and other Vatican officials.

    The Pave the Way Foundation has been instrumental in encouraging research to counteract the charge that Pope Pius XII was unsympathetic to the Jєωιѕн cause in the face of the nαzι h0Ɩ0cαųst.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20826


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    « Reply #1 on: March 20, 2014, 12:22:40 PM »
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  • "We cannot give approval to this movement. We cannot prevent the Jєωs from going to Jerusalem—but we could never sanction it. The soil of Jerusalem, if it was not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jєωs have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people...

    "There are two possibilities. Either the Jєωs will cling to their faith and continue to await the Messiah who, for us, has already appeared. In that case they will be denying the divinity of Jesus and we cannot help them. Or else they will go there without any religion, and then we can be even less favorable to them....

    "And so, if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we shall have churches and priests ready
    to baptize all of you."

    - Pope St Pius X


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    « Reply #2 on: March 20, 2014, 12:31:10 PM »
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    "We cannot give approval to this movement. We cannot prevent the Jєωs from going to Jerusalem—but we could never sanction it. The soil of Jerusalem, if it was not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jєωs have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people...

    "There are two possibilities. Either the Jєωs will cling to their faith and continue to await the Messiah who, for us, has already appeared. In that case they will be denying the divinity of Jesus and we cannot help them. Or else they will go there without any religion, and then we can be even less favorable to them....

    "And so, if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we shall have churches and priests ready
    to baptize all of you."

    - Pope St Pius X


    thank you.

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    « Reply #3 on: March 20, 2014, 12:57:31 PM »
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    Pope Pius XII helped to rally support for the founding of the state of Israel, the Pave the Way Foundation has shown.

    Research by the Pave the Way Foundation—a group dedicated to inter-religious understanding—has revealed that Pope Pius XII encouraged Catholic countries to support the UN partitioning of Palestinian territory that allowed for the Jєωιѕн homeland. Years earlier, while serving as a Vatican diplomat, then-Archbishop Eugenio Pacelli introduced the head of the Zionist Organization to Pope Benedict XV in 1917, and facilitated contacts between Zionist leaders and other Vatican officials.

    The Pave the Way Foundation has been instrumental in encouraging research to counteract the charge that Pope Pius XII was unsympathetic to the Jєωιѕн cause in the face of the nαzι h0Ɩ0cαųst.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20826


    This is a bunch of shinola. Pius XII didn't sanction Israel any more than Pius X.  :detective:
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    « Reply #4 on: March 20, 2014, 02:11:55 PM »
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  • Yes, thank you, BT.  Is there any group promoting "inter-religious understanding" that draws attention to Judaism's pathological hatred of non-Jєωs?  At best, they are useful idiots who distract Christians from noticing what is going on around them.


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    « Reply #5 on: March 20, 2014, 11:17:45 PM »
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    Pope Pius XII helped to rally support for the founding of the state of Israel, the Pave the Way Foundation has shown.

    Research by the Pave the Way Foundation—a group dedicated to inter-religious understanding—has revealed that Pope Pius XII encouraged Catholic countries to support the UN partitioning of Palestinian territory that allowed for the Jєωιѕн homeland. Years earlier, while serving as a Vatican diplomat, then-Archbishop Eugenio Pacelli introduced the head of the Zionist Organization to Pope Benedict XV in 1917, and facilitated contacts between Zionist leaders and other Vatican officials.

    The Pave the Way Foundation has been instrumental in encouraging research to counteract the charge that Pope Pius XII was unsympathetic to the Jєωιѕн cause in the face of the nαzι h0Ɩ0cαųst.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20826


    This is a bunch of shinola. Pius XII didn't sanction Israel any more than Pius X.  :detective:


    I agree, Roscoe. There is no evidence to support this, they are stretching their "research" to support their agenda.

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    « Reply #6 on: March 23, 2014, 11:28:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: BTNYC
    "We cannot give approval to this movement. We cannot prevent the Jєωs from going to Jerusalem—but we could never sanction it. The soil of Jerusalem, if it was not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jєωs have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people...

    "There are two possibilities. Either the Jєωs will cling to their faith and continue to await the Messiah who, for us, has already appeared. In that case they will be denying the divinity of Jesus and we cannot help them. Or else they will go there without any religion, and then we can be even less favorable to them....

    "And so, if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we shall have churches and priests ready
    to baptize all of you."

    - Pope St Pius X

    Pope Pius made that determination at teh beginning of the last century. Since then there were two world wars. Things changed and Pius XII made choices to reflect the changed political situation.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 23, 2014, 11:39:59 PM »
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    Quote from: BTNYC
    "We cannot give approval to this movement. We cannot prevent the Jєωs from going to Jerusalem—but we could never sanction it. The soil of Jerusalem, if it was not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church I cannot tell you anything different. The Jєωs have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people...

    "There are two possibilities. Either the Jєωs will cling to their faith and continue to await the Messiah who, for us, has already appeared. In that case they will be denying the divinity of Jesus and we cannot help them. Or else they will go there without any religion, and then we can be even less favorable to them....

    "And so, if you come to Palestine and settle your people there, we shall have churches and priests ready
    to baptize all of you."

    - Pope St Pius X

    Pope Pius made that determination at teh beginning of the last century. Since then there were two world wars. Things changed and Pius XII made choices to reflect the changed political situation.


    Good for you that you will believe this with such thin evidence.  I am not buying it.  
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    « Reply #8 on: March 24, 2014, 12:36:16 AM »
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  • There is no evidence that Pius XII supported Zionistas.

    Paisley trashes the Pope for this very reason.  :pop:
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    « Reply #9 on: March 24, 2014, 05:42:07 AM »
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  • -- Pave the Way Foundation (PTWF) has posted on its website surprising docuмents showing that Pope Pius XII was instrumental in the establishment of the modern state of Israel. This new docuмented evidence proves that this pope, who has been largely vilified by the Jєωιѕн community, actually helped the Zionist Organization (ZO) beginning in 1917 to establish a Jєωιѕн homeland in Palestine.

    Photo - http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20140319/PH85864

    Eugenio Pacelli, Pope Pius XII, served as the pontiff during the entirety of World War II, until his death in 1958. Beginning in 1962, an orchestrated campaign of press, books, plays, films and lectures has sought to portray this pope as evil, even to the extreme of dubbing him Hitler's Pope. Gary Krupp, President of PTWF said "Pave the Way Foundation began researching this controversy in 2006, with no agenda beyond a search for the truth."

    Elliot Hershberg, PTWF Chairman, revealed that docuмents from the Vatican Archives show how, in 1917, Eugenio Pacelli (as Archbishop at the time) arrange for Nahum Sokolow, President of ZO, to meet with Pope Benedict XV to discuss the establishment of a Jєωιѕн homeland in Palestine. Additional docuмents, and even newspaper accounts, show that Pacelli intervened again in 1925 to arrange further meetings Sokolow and Vatican officials to advance the subject.

    In 1926, Pacelli stood with prominent Jєωιѕн and Catholic leaders such as Albert Einstein and Ludwig Kaas encouraging all to join the German pro-Palestine organization.

    Addressing an Arab delegation opposed to the establishment of a Jєωιѕн state in 1946, Pacelli stated, "Just as we have also several times in the past condemned the persecutions that a fanatical anti-Semitism unleashed against the Hebrew people, we have always observed this attitude of perfect impartiality in the most widely varied circuмstances, and we intend also to hold ourselves to it in the future."

    As Pope Pius XII in 1947, Pacelli ignored some Vatican objections, and encouraged Catholic countries to vote in favor of the United Nations vote to partition Palestine. This crucial resolution, which passed in a 33 to 11 vote, created the Jєωιѕн homeland of Israel.

    Mr. Hershberg further revealed that official Israeli foreign policy docuмents indicated that it was Pacelli's childhood friend Dr. Guido Mendes, an orthodox Jєω, who acted as a behind-the-scenes diplomat.

    Gary Krupp, Co-Founder and President of PTWF, stated, "Thousands of original docuмents can be uploaded from our website www.ptwf.org. Sadly, many of those who consider themselves historians and scholars have simply not researched primary source docuмentation from the open Vatican Secret Archives, publicly available since 2006. They have relied primarily on the published works of others."

    All docuмents are available at the following link: http://legacy.ptwf.org/vatican_docs_register.aspx

    http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/pave-way-foundation-reveals-surprising-124000001.html

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    « Reply #10 on: March 24, 2014, 01:55:45 PM »
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  • Poche,

    If your docuмents are correct and it is true that Pope Pius XII was a great aid to the Jєωs all the way back in 1917, then what does the Jєωιѕн actions after the death of Pius XII and the way they are leading the charge in villifying him?

    If the Jєωs want to vilify someone, why not besmirch the memory of Pope St Pius X?  If they took this route, I have no doubt that the conciliar church, including Pope Francis, would take the side of the Jєωs and would actively side against Pope St. Pius X.  

    I have always considered the hatred of the Jєωs directed toward Pope Pius XII as a supernatural proof that sedevacantism was truly on to the truth.  The Jєωs hate the Catholic Faith just like they hated Our Lord.  The fact that Jєωs publicly praise the Conciliar Church is a sign that something just ain't right.


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    « Reply #11 on: March 24, 2014, 02:32:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    -- Pave the Way Foundation (PTWF) has posted on its website surprising docuмents showing that Pope Pius XII was instrumental in the establishment of the modern state of Israel. This new docuмented evidence proves that this pope, who has been largely vilified by the Jєωιѕн community, actually helped the Zionist Organization (ZO) beginning in 1917 to establish a Jєωιѕн homeland in Palestine.

    Photo - http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20140319/PH85864

    Eugenio Pacelli, Pope Pius XII, served as the pontiff during the entirety of World War II, until his death in 1958. Beginning in 1962, an orchestrated campaign of press, books, plays, films and lectures has sought to portray this pope as evil, even to the extreme of dubbing him Hitler's Pope. Gary Krupp, President of PTWF said "Pave the Way Foundation began researching this controversy in 2006, with no agenda beyond a search for the truth."

    Elliot Hershberg, PTWF Chairman, revealed that docuмents from the Vatican Archives show how, in 1917, Eugenio Pacelli (as Archbishop at the time) arrange for Nahum Sokolow, President of ZO, to meet with Pope Benedict XV to discuss the establishment of a Jєωιѕн homeland in Palestine. Additional docuмents, and even newspaper accounts, show that Pacelli intervened again in 1925 to arrange further meetings Sokolow and Vatican officials to advance the subject.

    In 1926, Pacelli stood with prominent Jєωιѕн and Catholic leaders such as Albert Einstein and Ludwig Kaas encouraging all to join the German pro-Palestine organization.

    Addressing an Arab delegation opposed to the establishment of a Jєωιѕн state in 1946, Pacelli stated, "Just as we have also several times in the past condemned the persecutions that a fanatical anti-Semitism unleashed against the Hebrew people, we have always observed this attitude of perfect impartiality in the most widely varied circuмstances, and we intend also to hold ourselves to it in the future."

    As Pope Pius XII in 1947, Pacelli ignored some Vatican objections, and encouraged Catholic countries to vote in favor of the United Nations vote to partition Palestine. This crucial resolution, which passed in a 33 to 11 vote, created the Jєωιѕн homeland of Israel.

    Mr. Hershberg further revealed that official Israeli foreign policy docuмents indicated that it was Pacelli's childhood friend Dr. Guido Mendes, an orthodox Jєω, who acted as a behind-the-scenes diplomat.

    Gary Krupp, Co-Founder and President of PTWF, stated, "Thousands of original docuмents can be uploaded from our website www.ptwf.org. Sadly, many of those who consider themselves historians and scholars have simply not researched primary source docuмentation from the open Vatican Secret Archives, publicly available since 2006. They have relied primarily on the published works of others."

    All docuмents are available at the following link: http://legacy.ptwf.org/vatican_docs_register.aspx

    http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/pave-way-foundation-reveals-surprising-124000001.html


    Pack of lies :pop:
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    « Reply #12 on: March 30, 2014, 10:47:04 PM »
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    Poche,

    If your docuмents are correct and it is true that Pope Pius XII was a great aid to the Jєωs all the way back in 1917, then what does the Jєωιѕн actions after the death of Pius XII and the way they are leading the charge in villifying him?

    If the Jєωs want to vilify someone, why not besmirch the memory of Pope St Pius X?  If they took this route, I have no doubt that the conciliar church, including Pope Francis, would take the side of the Jєωs and would actively side against Pope St. Pius X.  

    I have always considered the hatred of the Jєωs directed toward Pope Pius XII as a supernatural proof that sedevacantism was truly on to the truth.  The Jєωs hate the Catholic Faith just like they hated Our Lord.  The fact that Jєωs publicly praise the Conciliar Church is a sign that something just ain't right.

    Some people are ingrates.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 11, 2014, 09:55:46 PM »
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  • I don't find this hard to believe.  Thanks Poche.
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    « Reply #14 on: June 25, 2014, 09:46:43 PM »
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    Poche,

    If your docuмents are correct and it is true that Pope Pius XII was a great aid to the Jєωs all the way back in 1917, then what does the Jєωιѕн actions after the death of Pius XII and the way they are leading the charge in villifying him?

    If the Jєωs want to vilify someone, why not besmirch the memory of Pope St Pius X?  If they took this route, I have no doubt that the conciliar church, including Pope Francis, would take the side of the Jєωs and would actively side against Pope St. Pius X.  

    I have always considered the hatred of the Jєωs directed toward Pope Pius XII as a supernatural proof that sedevacantism was truly on to the truth.  The Jєωs hate the Catholic Faith just like they hated Our Lord.  The fact that Jєωs publicly praise the Conciliar Church is a sign that something just ain't right.


    Jєωs 'hated' Pius X11 so much that they dedicated a park which they named after him called Pacelli Forest.

    He Forged (Lied) about thousands of birth certificates of Jєωs that he personally signed.
    He also did nothing to prevent this Genocide whereby 60 million Europeans died over a needless border skirmish caused by Poland and England, backed by Marxists.

    They villify because they are constant whiners and no one questions them on their lies. Controlling the media helps to that end.
    Now we learn he was a Zionist. Are you really surprised?