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Offline TheD

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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2009, 01:48:13 PM »
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  • Although I respect the French Monarchists.


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    « Reply #16 on: September 01, 2009, 02:03:35 PM »
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    Although I respect the French Monarchists.


    Me too........
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    « Reply #17 on: September 01, 2009, 02:58:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: Belloc
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    I don't like monarchy. I prefer a Catholic Constitutional Totalitarian Dictatorship. I know it sounds contradictory, but I've given it some thought and believe it could work!


    Monarchy is the only form of government that is in line with nature and God.


    True, but one wonders a role for assembly, a constitutional monarchy perhaps....? Some way to limit monarch, a fallen being unlike God.......


    Constitutional monarchy is just a bastard government like the Novus Ordo is the product of an illegitimate union of the Roman Rite and Protestantism. The monarch should be limited only by the Church (i.e., God) from which he receives his power.

    I think that Ferdinand and Isabella did more than Gen. Franco.



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    « Reply #18 on: September 01, 2009, 03:16:21 PM »
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    I don't like monarchy. I prefer a Catholic Constitutional Totalitarian Dictatorship. I know it sounds contradictory, but I've given it some thought and believe it could work!


    Monarchy is the only form of government that is in line with nature and God.


    True, but one wonders a role for assembly, a constitutional monarchy perhaps....? Some way to limit monarch, a fallen being unlike God.......


    Constitutional monarchy is just a bastard government like the Novus Ordo is the product of an illegitimate union of the Roman Rite and Protestantism. The monarch should be limited only by the Church (i.e., God) from which he receives his power.

    I think that Ferdinand and Isabella did more than Gen. Franco.


    True on Catholci majesties, but curious-waht if Church was either too cowardly or too paid off to do anything about a monarch?......who then is to keep things in order, if the clergy are cowering or living of a bribe,etc??? Plenty of both in Church and plenty of poor rulers as well.........again, not opposed to having a monarch, but curious....
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    « Reply #19 on: September 01, 2009, 10:53:31 PM »
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    I don't like monarchy. I prefer a Catholic Constitutional Totalitarian Dictatorship. I know it sounds contradictory, but I've given it some thought and believe it could work!


    Monarchy is the only form of government that is in line with nature and God.


    True, but one wonders a role for assembly, a constitutional monarchy perhaps....? Some way to limit monarch, a fallen being unlike God.......


    Constitutional monarchy is just a bastard government like the Novus Ordo is the product of an illegitimate union of the Roman Rite and Protestantism. The monarch should be limited only by the Church (i.e., God) from which he receives his power.

    I think that Ferdinand and Isabella did more than Gen. Franco.


    True on Catholci majesties, but curious-waht if Church was either too cowardly or too paid off to do anything about a monarch?......who then is to keep things in order, if the clergy are cowering or living of a bribe,etc??? Plenty of both in Church and plenty of poor rulers as well.........again, not opposed to having a monarch, but curious....


    Someone would have to step in. It would be a messy situation, and violence would likely erupt.

    Its a very complicated matter, and a lot of Catholics who describe themselves as monarchists have a rosy view of history and think that all Catholic monarchs will be like Bl. Charlemagne, or St. Louis IX, or Bl. Karl I, but in reality most monarchs were Catholic in name only. Why else would God allow them to be removed from their thrones and their heads from their bodies?





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    « Reply #20 on: September 02, 2009, 09:08:56 AM »
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    I don't like monarchy. I prefer a Catholic Constitutional Totalitarian Dictatorship. I know it sounds contradictory, but I've given it some thought and believe it could work!


    Monarchy is the only form of government that is in line with nature and God.


    True, but one wonders a role for assembly, a constitutional monarchy perhaps....? Some way to limit monarch, a fallen being unlike God.......


    Constitutional monarchy is just a bastard government like the Novus Ordo is the product of an illegitimate union of the Roman Rite and Protestantism. The monarch should be limited only by the Church (i.e., God) from which he receives his power.

    I think that Ferdinand and Isabella did more than Gen. Franco.


    True on Catholci majesties, but curious-waht if Church was either too cowardly or too paid off to do anything about a monarch?......who then is to keep things in order, if the clergy are cowering or living of a bribe,etc??? Plenty of both in Church and plenty of poor rulers as well.........again, not opposed to having a monarch, but curious....


    Someone would have to step in. It would be a messy situation, and violence would likely erupt.

    Its a very complicated matter, and a lot of Catholics who describe themselves as monarchists have a rosy view of history and think that all Catholic monarchs will be like Bl. Charlemagne, or St. Louis IX, or Bl. Karl I, but in reality most monarchs were Catholic in name only. Why else would God allow them to be removed from their thrones and their heads from their bodies?



    True.....not a revolutionary, but at times to protect oneself and end sin, a monarch would posibly have to be ousted.....minimalize violence as much as possible......allowing a evil monarch would bring punishment on everyone.......like your comments on decapitated monarchs....my website is placed under ptoection of Blessed Karl I
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    « Reply #21 on: September 02, 2009, 03:13:36 PM »
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  • Your true political self:

    You are a

    Social Conservative
    (33% permissive)

    and an...

    Economic Moderate
    (56% permissive)

    You are best described as a:

    Centrist
     
    I ended up on McCain. :scared2:

    Time to do some penance. :laugh1:

    Some of these question are a bit difficult to answer from a Catholic perspective, like this one:
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    17. Only literate people should be allowed to vote.


    Well, I, like Pius IX, am not a huge fan of universal suffrage.


    Pray for me, always.

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    « Reply #22 on: September 02, 2009, 03:34:00 PM »
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  • Penance for McCain or Obama...... :wink:
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    « Reply #23 on: September 03, 2009, 05:57:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: Catholic Martyr
    Not to mention the h0Ɩ0cαųst myth.


    Ouch.  That the h0Ɩ0cαųst occurred, IMHO, is as every bit as likely as man landing on the Moon.

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    « Reply #24 on: September 03, 2009, 06:07:39 PM »
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    Although I respect the French Monarchists.


    Me too........


    Me, too!  Democracy gave us abortion, contraception,  women in pants (oh, sorry, cheap shot!), etc.  Don't get me wrong, I am an American and fully support the American democratic system.  It is just that the American system, based upon the Enlightenment philosophers (Kant, Hume, etc.) gave us relativism, and the rest, as they say, is history...  Democracy is not, I think, intrinsically evil, just that it ends up with intrinsically evil outcomes.

    Now, all of you might hate me, but I voted for Obama.  I think the Republican's party "pro-life" attitude is not at all sincere, at least as "professed" by their politicians.  They are, IMHO, using the pro-life religious voters as cheap political hookers.

    We are stuck with abortion, and contraception, also.  (I won't mention that 'other' thing.)  It's murder, plain and simple, the destruction of innocent, human life.  We still have to mow our laws, go to work, and stay out of jail, no matter how much we distaste all of it.  I do not say the Pledge of Allegiance, but I do vote.

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    « Reply #25 on: September 03, 2009, 08:11:28 PM »
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    Although I respect the French Monarchists.


    Me too........


    Me, too!  Democracy gave us abortion, contraception,  women in pants (oh, sorry, cheap shot!), etc.  Don't get me wrong, I am an American and fully support the American democratic system.  It is just that the American system, based upon the Enlightenment philosophers (Kant, Hume, etc.) gave us relativism, and the rest, as they say, is history...  Democracy is not, I think, intrinsically evil, just that it ends up with intrinsically evil outcomes.

    Now, all of you might hate me, but I voted for Obama.  I think the Republican's party "pro-life" attitude is not at all sincere, at least as "professed" by their politicians.  They are, IMHO, using the pro-life religious voters as cheap political hookers.

    We are stuck with abortion, and contraception, also.  (I won't mention that 'other' thing.)  It's murder, plain and simple, the destruction of innocent, human life.  We still have to mow our laws, go to work, and stay out of jail, no matter how much we distaste all of it.  I do not say the Pledge of Allegiance, but I do vote.


    What!?!  !@##%???  You voted for obama!?!!!?  Thats the worst choice on the 2008 ballot.  I think a third party candidate would have sufficed.  The way I see it is that republicans ignor abortian but democrats expand it.


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    « Reply #26 on: September 03, 2009, 08:35:45 PM »
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    Although I respect the French Monarchists.


    Me too........


    Me, too!  Democracy gave us abortion, contraception,  women in pants (oh, sorry, cheap shot!), etc.  Don't get me wrong, I am an American and fully support the American democratic system.  It is just that the American system, based upon the Enlightenment philosophers (Kant, Hume, etc.) gave us relativism, and the rest, as they say, is history...  Democracy is not, I think, intrinsically evil, just that it ends up with intrinsically evil outcomes.

    Now, all of you might hate me, but I voted for Obama.  I think the Republican's party "pro-life" attitude is not at all sincere, at least as "professed" by their politicians.  They are, IMHO, using the pro-life religious voters as cheap political hookers.

    We are stuck with abortion, and contraception, also.  (I won't mention that 'other' thing.)  It's murder, plain and simple, the destruction of innocent, human life.  We still have to mow our laws, go to work, and stay out of jail, no matter how much we distaste all of it.  I do not say the Pledge of Allegiance, but I do vote.


    What!?!  !@##%???  You voted for obama!?!!!?  Thats the worst choice on the 2008 ballot.  I think a third party candidate would have sufficed.  The way I see it is that republicans ignor abortion but democrats expand it.


    It's a two-party system.  Voting for a third-party candidate would have meant throwing my vote away.  Yes, Democrats openly want to expand abortion and abortion "rights."  So do Republicans.  They just won't tell you that.

    Abortion is the greatest immoral and intrinsically evil act of mankind.  However, I am convinced that Democratic policies will result in fewer abortions over the long term, whereas, Republican policies will lead to more "unwanted" children and more abortions.

    Of course, I wish that things were different, but I am powerless to change the decadent forces of the Enlightenment.

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    « Reply #27 on: September 03, 2009, 10:01:19 PM »
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  • The 'policies' of the democratic policy are called communism.  So instead of voting for at least a morraly sound person you voted for the worst president in US history.  And both parties are controlled by the Jєωdaic-masons thus are anti-catholic. But supporting someone who uses our tax money to fund overseas abortion is appaling.  It also makes me question how Catholic that person is.

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    « Reply #28 on: September 03, 2009, 10:02:05 PM »
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  • Jehanne do you believe obama was born on US soil?

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    « Reply #29 on: September 03, 2009, 10:05:40 PM »
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  • So why vote for anyone at all, Jehanne?

    The problem with voting for Obama is that he openly says he's against abortion.  That makes it look as if you're openly voting for it.  At least the Republicans pretend to be against abortion so you can say "If they never intended to stop it, at least I had the right intention."

    What on Earth is there in Obama's platform that a Catholic can get behind?  This is very bizarre from someone who can't even abide the occasional pair of pants on a lady.  

    You say:
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    Of course, I wish that things were different, but I am powerless to change the decadent forces of the Enlightenment.


    It's not about who wins or "throwing your vote away," it's about YOUR intention before God.  As for me, I don't believe in ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic democracy and I don't vote.  America is a cesspool.  I vote mentally for the restoration of the monarchies of Europe.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.