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Political Compass
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2010, 09:50:59 PM »
I personally prefer a Catholic Monarchy, but I'll settle for a dictatorship or centralized republic so long as it is solidly Catholic. But for now, having to live with an American Rupublic, I vote for whoever I believe to be genuinely pro-life and who exercises their power in accordance with the Constitution (a lousy voting guide, but for now that's all we got).

Political Compass
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2010, 07:16:26 AM »
True, strict interpretation-for now-of Constitution would be closer to subsidiarity then the nation has had for more than 150 yrs!

that said, Catholicize the nation, throw out the constitution and start over in a Catholic Republic (monarchy would never work here, even with mjaoirty of Catholics-a pragmatic tolerance allowing).

Blessed Karl, Ora Pro Nobis!


Political Compass
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2010, 08:29:06 AM »
Belloc,

I would write off Pat so quickly. what article are you referring to where he asked conservatives to come home to the GOP?

If so, he was merely echoing a common argument that the GOP candidate was the only hope in 2008 of knocking off the other guy.

On that note, how do you counter the argument made by many Neo-Caths & Cons that it would have been immoral not to vote for McCain in 08?

Political Compass
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2010, 11:01:33 AM »
have made the arguement many times.

McCain vs Ragan, who is the "greater evil"?? McCain of course...Carter vs Obama, who is the "greater evil"? Obama of course...continuing to  :scared2: the "other guy" and vote lesser of evils has given us in 2008 McCain and Obama....


Continue on that path and in the next 5,10,20 yrs, Obama will look the lesser of evils to whoever, GOP and Dem come after him....

see where that thinking leads!

ALso, this continous "lesser 2 evils" is a cyclonic, locked in death-you are trapped in the cyclone and never land, never get out of it and continue whipping around to destruction.

The lesser evil never actually advances an agenda, just a downward spiral to "stop the other guy" , the next boogeyman...when do we finally advance an agenda, instead of playing a stop=gap against the next boogeyman??

Ousset's book "Action" and others note that for Catholics, we need to think outside the box and actually advance a Catholic agenda.....cannot do that in voting McCain or Obama to "stop" the other....

Think, too, about the 1850's-the WHigs were hopelessly divided and many had the courage to go to teh GOP (though, most GOP leaders were wealthy and prior, Whigs), yet teh GOP looked like a new alternative. Sure, they started out small and ran candidates for awhile that were up against the Big Box parties of Whigs and Democrats....sure they ran a candidate in 1856 that "took votes" from the others and led to a Democrat, James Buchanan being elected..but. in the end, they continued to build a new Party and not dwell on "what ifs" and "lost votes" theories...

In the end, they still did nto get the majority vote in 1860, but they-the GOP that is-was on the roll and they are still on top.

Catholcis-indeed all people, need to stop the fear, advance an agenda and be willing to loose a election or 2.The world will not end, unless God will it after all and He is in charge!

We are now near 2 yrs into Obama, many bad things going on to be sure, but then again, same during GW Bush and we are all still here...There is still hope, true hope, of reversing things. Or at least, getting in place to re-build.

Voting Obama or McCain was sinful,as both were pro-aborts, just one slightly more than the other...both corrupt and guided by Kissinger, Brezinski,et al (NWO) nd both were open to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, foreign, undlecarled and never ending wars..Whether one wanted 100% abortions or in favor of 90% of them, no real difference, fora great sin continues and neither committed to ending that practice.

Baldwin was committed to ending the 'wars" and stopping abortion (and the Fed, march of Homos,RU 486, abortificients,etc).

In the end, Catholic need to advance an agenda, not just keep swirling in that cyclone or in Bishop Sheens words, going down the river ( "It is a dead body that floats downstream, it takes a live body to resist the current and swim upstream!"). Both McCain and Obama wanted to continue shedding innocent blood, scripture is full of warnings against that!!!

again, read what a Protestant had to say about the lesser evils, he was right in many ways:

http://lostrepublic.org/art001.htm

It is time to stop supporting big box Parties by either voting smaller parties at times, not voting at all or forming Catholic groups commited to change, in and outside of the political spectrum.

as to Pat, read and reserach the podcasts and articles posted at the American view website, a site that used to be hosted in part by Michael Peroutka and still, Calvinist  John Lofton-both talked about Buchanan. Lofton is a friend of more than 30 yrs of Buchanan...Look and listen in chronilogical order.
They have snippets, cite articles,etc...

Here is their site (again, not Catholic, though often, they make valid points and do the citations and research)

http://www.theamericanview.com/


Political Compass
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2010, 11:08:21 AM »
Good points Belloc.

There are some in good faith who think we have a better cance of taking back the GOP than starting from scratch and that we need to focus on getting good people elected in the primaries. This is what the tea party is trying to do. I must admit it may be worth a try.

However, I'm totally on board with you that we should STOP voting for idiots like McCain as the lesser of two evils. We should refuse to vote for fake conservatives even against democrats. If we keep rewarding these fools with our votes they will continue to take us for granted.