True, strict interpretation-for now-of Constitution would be closer to subsidiarity then the nation has had for more than 150 yrs!

that said, Catholicize the nation, throw out the constitution and start over in a Catholic Republic (monarchy would never work here, even with mjaoirty of Catholics-a pragmatic tolerance allowing).

Blessed Karl, Ora Pro Nobis!

have made the arguement many times.

McCain vs Ragan, who is the "greater evil"?? McCain of course...Carter vs Obama, who is the "greater evil"? Obama of course...continuing to  :scared2: the "other guy" and vote lesser of evils has given us in 2008 McCain and Obama....


Continue on that path and in the next 5,10,20 yrs, Obama will look the lesser of evils to whoever, GOP and Dem come after him....

see where that thinking leads!

ALso, this continous "lesser 2 evils" is a cyclonic, locked in death-you are trapped in the cyclone and never land, never get out of it and continue whipping around to destruction.

The lesser evil never actually advances an agenda, just a downward spiral to "stop the other guy" , the next boogeyman...when do we finally advance an agenda, instead of playing a stop=gap against the next boogeyman??

Ousset's book "Action" and others note that for Catholics, we need to think outside the box and actually advance a Catholic agenda.....cannot do that in voting McCain or Obama to "stop" the other....

Think, too, about the 1850's-the WHigs were hopelessly divided and many had the courage to go to teh GOP (though, most GOP leaders were wealthy and prior, Whigs), yet teh GOP looked like a new alternative. Sure, they started out small and ran candidates for awhile that were up against the Big Box parties of Whigs and Democrats....sure they ran a candidate in 1856 that "took votes" from the others and led to a Democrat, James Buchanan being elected..but. in the end, they continued to build a new Party and not dwell on "what ifs" and "lost votes" theories...

In the end, they still did nto get the majority vote in 1860, but they-the GOP that is-was on the roll and they are still on top.

Catholcis-indeed all people, need to stop the fear, advance an agenda and be willing to loose a election or 2.The world will not end, unless God will it after all and He is in charge!

We are now near 2 yrs into Obama, many bad things going on to be sure, but then again, same during GW Bush and we are all still here...There is still hope, true hope, of reversing things. Or at least, getting in place to re-build.

Voting Obama or McCain was sinful,as both were pro-aborts, just one slightly more than the other...both corrupt and guided by Kissinger, Brezinski,et al (NWO) nd both were open to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, foreign, undlecarled and never ending wars..Whether one wanted 100% abortions or in favor of 90% of them, no real difference, fora great sin continues and neither committed to ending that practice.

Baldwin was committed to ending the 'wars" and stopping abortion (and the Fed, march of Homos,RU 486, abortificients,etc).

In the end, Catholic need to advance an agenda, not just keep swirling in that cyclone or in Bishop Sheens words, going down the river ( "It is a dead body that floats downstream, it takes a live body to resist the current and swim upstream!"). Both McCain and Obama wanted to continue shedding innocent blood, scripture is full of warnings against that!!!

again, read what a Protestant had to say about the lesser evils, he was right in many ways:

http://lostrepublic.org/art001.htm

It is time to stop supporting big box Parties by either voting smaller parties at times, not voting at all or forming Catholic groups commited to change, in and outside of the political spectrum.

as to Pat, read and reserach the podcasts and articles posted at the American view website, a site that used to be hosted in part by Michael Peroutka and still, Calvinist  John Lofton-both talked about Buchanan. Lofton is a friend of more than 30 yrs of Buchanan...Look and listen in chronilogical order.
They have snippets, cite articles,etc...

Here is their site (again, not Catholic, though often, they make valid points and do the citations and research)

http://www.theamericanview.com/

Within the limited context of a single issue one may be a lesser evil than another, but in the wider context of supernatural truth, they are all cut off at the root, thus I cannot vote for any of them.  The entire system has been defective from the beginning because they have ignored the Incarnation of God and the religion that is the salvation of man; they have opted for indifferentism and thus practical atheism as a nation.  Voting for the "lesser of two evils" in this context is like trying to staple the waves together.  It is true that to maintain civil authority one need not faith because it is a natural institution.  But that is an abstract proposition that refers to a valid legal claim and nothing more.  A man can have a legal claim to fatherhood, but that doesn't convert into asserting that he is in anyway praiseworthy.  In the concrete, in order for nations to obtain the blessings of God, princes must be truly wise enlightened by faith and thus they are obliged to render social worship to Christ the King.  It becomes apparent that the work of conversion is our primary effort in the civil order and that involves ourselves living an ascetic life.  If we do not know how to become holy, then we cannot effect anything outside of us.  And this work starts in the home.  Once that work is perfected, then maybe we could look beyond the home.  But you say that this work can never be truly perfected, precisely, that is why we should never look beyond our home in order to convert a nation.  Any other mode of action is to render our efforts vain, fruitless and misguided; it is merely an attempt to bypass our duties living as we do in a neo-pagan world and practice a subtle form of quietism.      

that said, Catholicize the nation, throw out the constitution and start over in a Catholic Republic (monarchy would never work here, even with mjaoirty of Catholics-a pragmatic tolerance allowing).

That is not true. The modern day Americans are so weak willed that they are like clay, and the next generation even more so. A well organized and well positioned Catholic infrastructure (backed by spiritual efforts) will effectively tranquilize opposition to a Catholic Social Order. There must be, however, no allowance for anyone to organize and undo any accomplishments made during that time. The 4-8 year change in government MUST be done away with, not extended, if any kind of reconstruction is to be unhindered. The best form of government that can accomplish this is a monarchy or a dictatorship. I'd say monarchy would be best option, since the time of reconstruction will be the time to set forth a new course for the nation's Tradition and it must be set and determined within three generations.

I think they should all be subject to random drug testing.  That'd probably get rid of quite a few of them.  Vote DRUG TEST!

in reading the posts here is indicative of the mis-understanding many have of this government.
it is true, that it has seemingly got away from its roots
and intentions, but although imperfect, the most preferable.
  this country is one of a great experiment. unheard of and
not seen in the history of mankind.
 the political power, in accordance with the constitution, as presented by judge bork, states that power comes first from god, (inalienable rights) then to the people, then to the government.
 unfortunately, in the past, not too few years,this concept has been somewhat blurred. hopefully, in the future, reason, strict constructionism and common sense will again prevail. have a good year. (ali)

in reading the posts here is indicative of the mis-understanding many have of this government.
it is true, that it has seemingly got away from its roots
and intentions, but although imperfect, the most preferable.
  this country is one of a great experiment. unheard of and
not seen in the history of mankind.
 the political power, in accordance with the constitution, as presented by judge bork, states that power comes first from god, (inalienable rights) then to the people, then to the government.
 unfortunately, in the past, not too few years,this concept has been somewhat blurred. hopefully, in the future, reason, strict constructionism and common sense will again prevail. have a good year. (ali)

 :barf: :roll-laugh1:..... :barf: