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Traditional Catholic Faith => Politics and World Leaders => Topic started by: Matthew on February 12, 2020, 08:54:17 PM
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All you "never Trumpers" out there need to have your heads examined. Now you're on the same side as Planned Parenthood. Congratulations!
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/planned-parenthood-launches-45-million-push-against-trump-gop (https://dev.lifesitenews.com/news/planned-parenthood-launches-45-million-push-against-trump-gop)
January 17, 2020 (LifeSiteNews (https://www.lifesitenews.com/)) – The nation’s largest abortion chain launched its biggest election effort yet this week, devoting $45 million to the cause of ousting President Donald Trump and returning Congress and numerous state legislatures to full Democrat control.
The money will go (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/planned-parenthood-to-spend-45-million-to-defeat-trump-retake-congress) towards “large-scale” multimedia advertising, mail, and on-the-ground canvassing focusing on Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, centered around the message that Republicans at the state and national levels are engaged in a “coordinated attack” on Roe v. Wade.
The Trump administration "has managed to undo so much over the last three years," Planned Parenthood Votes executive director Jenny Lawson told (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/planned-parenthood-45-million-we-decide-2020-elections-investment-today/) CBS News. "The fact that this summer the Supreme Court might gut Roe v. Wade is an indicator of their intention and they've never been so bold."
Lawson added that “every major Democratic candidate” currently running for the party’s presidential nomination is pro-abortion enough (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/democrats-declare-abortion-a-human-right-renew-calls-to-codify-roe-in-latest-debate) to earn the group’s support. "The Democratic candidates collectively have the boldest reproductive rights policies we've ever seen," she said, adding that “many of them have actually introduced real plans to protect the reproductive rights in this country."
Many responded to the news by contrasting the political expenditure with the money the abortion giant continues to receive from taxpayers:
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Show me a man's enemies and I'll tell you what he's like!
Let's see... the evil infanticide organization "Planned Parenthood" is desperate with hatred to defeat Trump.
Oh, but "6 of one, half-dozen of the other, the same-old, same-old 2-party scam". Right guys?
Sure, that's why Planned Parenthood is spending 45 MILLION to make sure Trump doesn't get elected. Because it doesn't matter.
IDIOTS.
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Show me a man's enemies and I'll tell you what he's like!
Let's see... the evil infanticide organization "Planned Parenthood" is desperate with hatred to defeat Trump.
Oh, but "6 of one, half-dozen of the other, the same-old, same-old 2-party scam". Right guys?
Sure, that's why Planned Parenthood is spending 45 MILLION to make sure Trump doesn't get elected. Because it doesn't matter.
IDIOTS.
45 is the number of Trump.
45 million is retribution.
IDIOTS. They will rot in hell if they don't repent.
How can demonic slaves repent once they have denied the Holy Spirit?
They cannot. Idiots.
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You love trump so much its absolutely pathetic.
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You love trump so much its absolutely pathetic.
While I cannot speak for Matthew, I will say that I respect Trump as he has kept his promises to make America great again
and Keep America Great. He has given us hope and has inspired many. I pray for him, but I am not obsessed.
I have never attended a Trump rally, nor do I own a red Trump hat or a T-shirt.
Are you obsessed with Trump Derangement Syndrome?
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I have never attended a Trump rally, nor do I own a red Trump hat or a T-shirt.
Well, if that's any indication... I got Matthew a Trump t-shirt for his birthday. He wore it that day and I haven't seen it since.
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You love trump so much its absolutely pathetic.
I love his policies and what he stands for. Like it or not, the fight against evil is coalescing around his banner. There is NO OTHER BANNER under which a significant number of people are gathering around to stand against concrete evils of the day: abortion, political correctness, communism, globalism, nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, etc.
America is far from perfect, but I would rather have it remain as-is, as opposed to seeing its borders broken down, becoming a communist country, with full control (via "Environmentalism") over every aspect of our lives.
Like it or not, there are still MANY freedoms enjoyed by Americans. Freedom of speech, freedom to go to a small Traditional chapel on Sunday, freedom to homeschool your kids, freedom to refuse vaccines, freedom to eat meat, freedom to reject belief in "climate crisis", freedom to have a large family, freedom to own land -- the list goes on. I don't want to lose any of that.
The half of the country that would rather have GOD than THE DEVIL is rallying around Trump.
You can stay aloof, vote third party, or what have you -- but THERE ARE ONLY TWO SIDES IN THIS BATTLE. God's people and satan's people. Except for a few short-sighted idiots, the majority of those who want to follow God's law have chosen to support Trump as a proxy for God's side. Such is reality.
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Well, if that's any indication... I got Matthew a Trump t-shirt for his birthday. He wore it that day and I haven't seen it since.
It seems to be buried under other clothes. I'll have to find it. I'm sure I will, as we get a bit closer to Election Day...
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Isn't actively supporting him just playing into the classic lesser of two evils? I mean, we aren't forced to vote, we have the right to political assembly and we have the right to a Catholic political self determination. Why do we settle?
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Isn't actively supporting him just playing into the classic lesser of two evils? I mean, we aren't forced to vote, we have the right to political assembly and we have the right to a Catholic political self determination. Why do we settle?
As I said to some other Trump-haters recently, WHO DO YOU PUT FORWARD as an ideal, "no settling for 2nd best" alternative? I have yet to receive a SINGLE ANSWER about who Traditional Catholics SHOULD vote for. It has to be someone who is running, BTW. But no one has even put forward a LONG SHOT candidate, much less a candidate with a REASONABLE chance of beating the Democratic candidate in November 2020.
Someone has to be president. Someone's going to win. Catholics might as well help influence the politics of the nation they live in. Why give up and wait for the End of the World if we don't have to?
Trump's war on Planned Parenthood, cнιℓd тrαffιcking, Communism/environmentalism/"Climate Crisis", globalism, etc. isn't a great evil, medium evil, or a small evil. It's a positive good. That's what I support.
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To help move the Overton window in the right direction.
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To answer your question, there isn't anyone directly deserving of support. But shouldn't we look to start a political organization when there isn't one? You don't think looking to become politically active like the Carlists would be potentially assisting the promulgation of a Catholic government? They played a tremendous role when Franco struck against the Spanish republic.
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To answer your question, there isn't anyone directly deserving of support. But shouldn't we look to start a political organization when there isn't one? You don't think looking to become politically active like the Carlists would be potentially assisting the promulgation of a Catholic government? They played a tremendous role when Franco struck against the Spanish republic.
Why start from scratch? Just take over one of the existing parties like the Socialists are doing. Seems to be working for them vs the many attempts to start a new party which have largely failed.
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You love trump so much its absolutely pathetic.
You and other so called “Catholics” are pathetic. You must be Catholic” in name only. That is the problem is that most “Catholics” support Planned parenthood and murder of babies. Sodomite clergy raping children while nuns on buses neglect the poor and elderly to promote abortion and contraceptives. They preach to women to hate men and go to harass Trump. “ All the evil in the world is because of lukewarm Catholics”. St Pope Pius V.
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Isn't actively supporting him just playing into the classic lesser of two evils? I mean, we aren't forced to vote, we have the right to political assembly and we have the right to a Catholic political self determination. Why do we settle?
In terms of Catholic moral theology, supporting Trump is an application of the principle of double effect rather than a choice of the lesser of two evils.
If you are interested in Catholic principles that pertain to voting, here is an essay that compiles pre-conciliar views on the subject from Catholic moral theologians. http://www.catholicapologetics.info/morality/general/voting.htm#OBLIGATION (http://www.catholicapologetics.info/morality/general/voting.htm#OBLIGATION)
Here is a passage on the conditions under which one may vote for unworty candidates:
When unworthy candidates are running for office, ordinarily a citizen does not have the obligation for voting for them. Indeed he would not be permitted to vote for them if there were any reasonable way of electing a worthy man, either by organizing another party, by using the “write in” method, or by any other lawful means. On the other hand, it would be licit to vote for an unworthy man if the choice were only between or among unworthy candidates; and it might even be necessary to vote for such an unworthy candidate (if the voting were limited to such personalities) and even for one who would render harm to the Church, provided the election were only a choice from among unworthy men and the voting for the less unworthy would prevent the election of another more unworthy.
Since the act of voting is good, it is lawful to vote for an unworthy candidate provided there is a proportionate cause for the evil done and the good lost. This consideration looks simply to the act of voting itself and does not consider other factors such as scandal, encouragement of unworthy men, and a bad influence upon other voters. Obviously, if any or all of these other factors are present, the excusing cause for voting for an unworthy candidate would have to be proportionally graver. [177]
Lehmkuhl says that it is never allowed to vote absolutely for a man of evil principles, but hypothetice it may be allowed if the election is between men of evil principles. Then one should vote for him who is less evil (1) if he makes known the reason for his choice; (2) if the election is necessary to exclude a worse candidate. [178] The same author in his Casus conscientiae lists the general argument, adding that there must be no approbation of the unworthy man or of his programme. [179]
Tanquerey declares that if the vote is between a socialist and another liberal, the citizen may vote for the less evil, but he should publicly declare why he is voting this way, to avoid any scandalum pusillorum. [180] Prümmer says the same. [181] Actually, however, in the United States and in other countries where the balloting is secret, there seems to be no need of declaring one’s manner of voting.
Several authors including Ubach, [181a] Merkelbach, [182] Iorio, [183] Piscetta-Gennaro, [184] and Sabetti-Barrett [185] allow for material cooperation in the election of an unworthy candidate when there are two unworthy men running for office. Ubach adds this point: (1) There must be no cooperation in the evil which the man brings upon society after assuming office; (2) The voting must not be taken as an approval of the candidate or of his unworthiness. Merkelbach asserts that such cooperation may be licit per accidens if there is no hope that good men will be elected without voting for the bad ones in the same election.
As a practical point it may be remarked that at times a citizen may have to vote for an unworthy man in order to vote for a worthy one, e.g., when people have to vote a straight party ticket, at least in a primary election when the “split ticket” is not permitted. However the good to be gained would have to outweigh the evil to be avoided, or at least be equal to it.
In his Casus Genicot, [186] sets up a case of an election between a liberal and a Communist. To avoid scandal the citizen should give reasons for voting for the liberal. One does not support the evil candidate but simply applies the principle of double effect. This author also says that a person may use a mental reservation in promising to vote for an unworthy man.
Cardinal Amette, Archbishop of Paris, implies the liceity of voting for an unworthy candidate when he writes of voting for a less worthy one. “It would be lawful to cast them,” he writes,” for candidates who though not giving complete satisfaction to all our legitimate demands, would lead us to expect from them a line of conduct useful to the country, rather than to keep your votes for those whose program would indeed be more perfect, but whose almost certain defeat might open the door to the enemies of religion and of the social order.” [187]
Thus we may say that it is permitted to vote for unworthy candidates (that is, give material cooperation) if these are the only type of men on the ballot lists; in order to exclude the more unworthy; in order to secure the election of one who is somewhat unworthy instead of voting for a good man whose defeat is certain; and when the list is mixed containing both worthy and unworthy men, so that a citizen can vote for the former only by voting for the latter at the same time.
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The Trump administration "has managed to undo so much over the last three years," Planned Parenthood Votes executive director Jenny Lawson told (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/planned-parenthood-45-million-we-decide-2020-elections-investment-today/) CBS News. "The fact that this summer the Supreme Court might gut Roe v. Wade is an indicator of their intention and they've never been so bold."
They are going to spend $45 million to preach to the choir. So that's $45 million that won't be used to actually convince people to not vote for Trump. But it gets better, with quotes like the above, you can be sure that a lot of that $45 million will help rally and encourage conservatives and unite them against whoever the Democrats nominate. If they really want to defeat Trump they should spend the entire $45 million on showing how much Trump is in bed with Israel and how that is why we are stuck in these forever wars in the Mideast. But they will never do that because they love the forever wars in the Mideast even more than they love to murder babies.
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Don't you just love the name Planned Parenthood? ::)
Tell me, just what "parenthood" are they advocating? They kill babies for crying out loud! So potential parents........don't have to be parents. In another words, NO PARENTHOOD.
But, that is the jew deception in how they name things, it's actually the exact opposite.
kind of like the other monikers of their movements out there like diversity, gαy "pride" and tolerance ( anything but)
As for PP, that is one big jew production from the very beginning. Everyone likes to throw out Maggie Sanger as it's founder, but, she was just the typical goy pitch-man/woman they love to use a a front to conceal their nefarious agenda behind the scenes. the real push was the Russian-born jewess Fania Mindell, who started the first baby-butchering factory in Brooklyn called the "Brownsville Clinic" ( another bs term "clinic") where the killing of goy babies could offically begin.
Mindell and her shabbas goy Sanger and her sister are just another in the long line of jews and their willing executioners that try and pollute, corrupt and destroy every culture and civilization they've attached themselves too.
PP is a criminal organization founded , financed and backed by a bunch of anti-christ, blood thirsty jews all on the basis of killing unborn goy babies all under the guise of a safe, protected "medical procedure". More bs jew-anced words and terminology masking their real agenda and reality of what they're committing........MURDER.
You can read about the yid vampress Mindell here; ( she looks like she's suck the blood out of you just looking at her)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fania_Mindell
BTW, good on Trump.