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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2014, 05:01:50 PM »
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    What is Capitalism? What is Socialism? What's the difference between them?



    1) Socialism: The public ownership of property.

    2) Communism: Atheistic materialism (i.e., The reduction of spirit to matter).

    3) Capitalism: The consequence of nominalism applied to commerce, by which moral scrutiny is removed from economic ventures.
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    « Reply #16 on: May 23, 2014, 05:55:19 PM »
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    Rerum Novarum doesn't say what people think it says.  And Rerum Novarum needs to be viewed in light of Pope Leo XIII's other writings also.


    What do you think it says? It quite clearly states the need of unions, a living wage, rest from work, etc. while on the other hand condemning communism, socialism, class warfare, etc.

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    Besides, is there a single union today that isn't run by atheists and/or socialists?  These are people who give their life's work and the very blood in their veins to destroying the Catholic church and all belief in God.  Pope Leo XIII would only approve of the kind of unions that were trade guilds in the middle ages.


    Actually the Pope supported the use of unions but not if the union promoted discourse, strikes, destruction of property, class warfare, anti-religious sentiment, etc. When you mention a union like the National Education Association yes I will admit that is one hell of a bad union, however when you mention unions themselves most of your common union members are good, descent people. The problem with unions is when they go outside defending a workers' rights and get involved in politics. I will also admit that the strike a union employs can jeopardize the national safety.


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    « Reply #17 on: May 25, 2014, 10:14:01 AM »
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    Rerum Novarum doesn't say what people think it says.  And Rerum Novarum needs to be viewed in light of Pope Leo XIII's other writings also.


    What do you think it says? It quite clearly states the need of unions, a living wage, rest from work, etc. while on the other hand condemning communism, socialism, class warfare, etc.

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    Besides, is there a single union today that isn't run by atheists and/or socialists?  These are people who give their life's work and the very blood in their veins to destroying the Catholic church and all belief in God.  Pope Leo XIII would only approve of the kind of unions that were trade guilds in the middle ages.


    Actually the Pope supported the use of unions but not if the union promoted discourse, strikes, destruction of property, class warfare, anti-religious sentiment, etc. When you mention a union like the National Education Association yes I will admit that is one hell of a bad union, however when you mention unions themselves most of your common union members are good, descent people. The problem with unions is when they go outside defending a workers' rights and get involved in politics. I will also admit that the strike a union employs can jeopardize the national safety.


    Do you think there are any unions today that would be approved by Pope Leo XIII?  


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    « Reply #18 on: May 25, 2014, 02:52:00 PM »
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  • Hmm well I think the premise of a worker joining a union to secure his rights would be approved by Leo XIII. As for specific unions it is hard to say since unions are machines of the Democratic Party. I myself am an associate member of the United Steelwrokers Union however I oppose any forced union membership and support a national right-to-work law (I definitely oppose teachers' unions who support left-wing education and one of the reasons why public school are horrible in their cirriculum).

    Now that I see your point perhaps you can see mine? Tell me what business practice the Pope would have supported whether it be putting women into the workforce for cheap labor, hiring immigrant labor dirt cheap, support of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, paying the worker a miserable wage, torture of animals, destruction of the family, outsourcing of jobs and factories, etc.?

    My own experience in life dealing with evil business practices has made the impression on me that Big Business is a lot more dangerous than Big Labor (although both need to be reined in).

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    « Reply #19 on: May 27, 2014, 06:50:58 AM »
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    Now that I see your point perhaps you can see mine? Tell me what business practice the Pope would have supported whether it be putting women into the workforce for cheap labor, hiring immigrant labor dirt cheap, support of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, paying the worker a miserable wage, torture of animals, destruction of the family, outsourcing of jobs and factories, etc.?

    My own experience in life dealing with evil business practices has made the impression on me that Big Business is a lot more dangerous than Big Labor (although both need to be reined in).


    As for your first point, Pope Leo XIII would be very saddened by the state of life in the U.S. in 2014.  Abortion would be considered an unmentionable evil act in the 1890's but today it is publicly celebrated.

    On your second point point, keep in mind that big businesses became big by meeting the customer's needs and that unions, while they may improve the pay and protect mediocre workers from being fired, are theoretically based on theft and they promote envy.  An employer should be seen as a benefactor.  Before they became big, these businesses were small.  Private enterprise is responsible for the lion's hare of improvements in our lives.  Morally, the U.S. is nearing rotgut generally speaking, but materially it is high.  

    The social problems you see in big business, which I do agree with, are not created in a vacuum.  The U.S. government refused to secure the borders and encourages through their policies, the changing social fabric of the U.S. and also with labor laws.  Big business, and small business, has to adapt.  It isn't big business that is running these Marxist-lite public schools, nor passing laws forcing people to drop their health insurance and buy "Obamacare".  Government, the entity which does nothing but get larger every year, that is forcing these actions on the U.S.

    Big business is profiting from the gαy marriage push.  Big business is going along with the plan.  But big business can go out of business.  Some I would like to see completely disappear - yesterday would not be soon enough.

    On the union issue, I think it is fair to say that the largest growth in unions is found in government.  That should frankly be illegal because of the high opportunity for graft and the fact that a government union has labor on one side and labor on the other side - elected officials want the support of labor and know they can thumb their nose at the average voter.  In a government union, there is no side representing the taxpayer and government agencies, unlike car companies or tool and die shops, can run huge deficits and never worry about going out of business.

    A lot of my uncles on my mother's side of the family were coal miners and I'm sure all of them were in the union.  My mother was the 13th child so her uncles were all in their late 60s to mid-70's when I was a kid so asking them would be impossible, at this time.  A union for coal miners, and steelworkers, makes perfect sense because these workers are putting their lives on the line every day in the work they do so, I don't want you to think that I'm just bashing unions.  


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    « Reply #20 on: May 28, 2014, 02:38:30 AM »
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  • On your second point point, keep in mind that big businesses became big by meeting the customer's needs and that unions, while they may improve the pay and protect mediocre workers from being fired, are theoretically based on theft and they promote envy.  An employer should be seen as a benefactor.  Before they became big, these businesses were small.  Private enterprise is responsible for the lion's hare of improvements in our lives.  Morally, the U.S. is nearing rotgut generally speaking, but materially it is high.  

    While an employer should be considered a benefactor it should be remembered that while he is in that position he has certain responsabilities. If the employees are not being treated fairly then they have the right to organize themselves to seek redress. The employee is more than just a cog in a machine.    

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    « Reply #21 on: May 28, 2014, 10:29:45 PM »
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    « Reply #22 on: May 31, 2014, 12:53:38 PM »
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    As for your first point, Pope Leo XIII would be very saddened by the state of life in the U.S. in 2014.  Abortion would be considered an unmentionable evil act in the 1890's but today it is publicly celebrated.


    Quite true, although what you have mentioned did not just come out of no where.

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    On your second point point, keep in mind that big businesses became big by meeting the customer's needs and that unions, while they may improve the pay and protect mediocre workers from being fired, are theoretically based on theft and they promote envy.  An employer should be seen as a benefactor.  Before they became big, these businesses were small.  Private enterprise is responsible for the lion's hare of improvements in our lives.  Morally, the U.S. is nearing rotgut generally speaking, but materially it is high.


    Had there not been labor we would still have an immoral economy of child-labor  and pregnant women getting their hands getting chopped off by machines. One only needs to mention the Enron scandal to see the failures of capitalism.

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    The social problems you see in big business, which I do agree with, are not created in a vacuum.  The U.S. government refused to secure the borders and encourages through their policies, the changing social fabric of the U.S. and also with labor laws.  Big business, and small business, has to adapt.  It isn't big business that is running these Marxist-lite public schools, nor passing laws forcing people to drop their health insurance and buy "Obamacare".  Government, the entity which does nothing but get larger every year, that is forcing these actions on the U.S.


    Actually it is Big Business that is bribing the U.S. government to not secure the border so that they can have cheap immigrant labor and it was also the Fortune 500 that bribed government officials to pass NAFTA, GATT and the other free trade deals so they could close shop and get cheap labor overseas. I do feel sympathy for small businesses however who had to go overseas or go bankrupt. As for Obamacare it was the corporate types who told the GOP not to fight over the issue since it was too "devisive." Also during World War II the biggest supporter of the war was Wall Street and despite the modern view of FDR being anti-business FDR's New Deal liberated protectionist policies and started the free trade era in American history. FDR was a strong free trader just like George W. Bush.

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    Big Business is profiting from the gαy marriage push.  Big business is going along with the plan.  But big business can go out of business.  Some I would like to see completely disappear - yesterday would not be soon enough.


    What about Chick-Fil-A who stood against gαy marriage or good entertainment companies like Blockbuster?

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    On the union issue, I think it is fair to say that the largest growth in unions is found in government.  That should frankly be illegal because of the high opportunity for graft and the fact that a government union has labor on one side and labor on the other side - elected officials want the support of labor and know they can thumb their nose at the average voter.  In a government union, there is no side representing the taxpayer and government agencies, unlike car companies or tool and die shops, can run huge deficits and never worry about going out of business.


    Well I think the public sector unions should have gone along with Scott Walker's proposal and calling Walker Hitler, Mussolini, and Mubarack obviously shows their left-wing views. I also applaud union-breaking in instances of national safety like Calvin Coolidge's breaking of the striking Boston police force or Reagan's breaking of the air traffic controllers on strike, the only union who supported him for his run.
     


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    « Reply #23 on: May 31, 2014, 02:44:24 PM »
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  • We have to distinguish between a "free-enterprise" economy in which government control is limited, and corporatism, in which monopolies gain power through government corruption (i.e. the bankster bailouts, the East India Tea Company, etc.).

    The solution to our current problem of corporatism is NOT to increase government control.

    Comments on this thread about whether or not the Judge is Catholic appear to be from those who did not watch the video. 15 Rosaries as penance?
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    « Reply #24 on: May 31, 2014, 03:58:09 PM »
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    We have to distinguish between a "free-enterprise" economy in which government control is limited, and corporatism, in which monopolies gain power through government corruption (i.e. the bankster bailouts, the East India Tea Company, etc.).

    The solution to our current problem of corporatism is NOT to increase government control.

    Comments on this thread about whether or not the Judge is Catholic appear to be from those who did not watch the video. 15 Rosaries as penance?


    Lack of government control is exactly the reason why corporations are able to get away with their lack of social justice. And as I said before the Judge is not Catholic because he is a libertarian of the Austrian School.

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    « Reply #25 on: June 11, 2014, 11:37:48 AM »
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    Um I'm not defending Pope Francis of course but in this instance the Pope is right and Andrew is wrong. When the Pope decries vulture capitalism and its exploiting of the poor people it calls to mind Leo XIII's encyclical of how the industrialists should not oppress others (for the record I am not a Marxist so I do support class harmony but class harmony works both ways where the rich also must sacrifice). This is an example of capitalism that is devoid of morality. Another example would be the Enron scandal for instance.

    As for Judge Napolitano he and his Austrian School compatriots are out of the loop of any economic reality where democratic capitalism is supreme. America's decline has proven this is nothing but wording and not reality as China is continuing on its economic growth based on autocracy, mercantilism, repression, extreme nationalism, authoritarianism, etc.

    A good nation is one where jobs and the domestic market stays within the nation while wages and benefits rise for the worker.


    That of course would happen overnight once usury bank lending and crony corporatism are eliminated from countries, which parasitically suck trillions in wealth into bank accounts of the off-shored few!
    (Who ONLY know the words "GET" & "TAKE" and subvert as 5th columnists (over centuries) to undermine and completely takeover whole country's economies)