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Obama declares support for gαy marriage...
« on: May 09, 2012, 05:53:32 PM »
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  • Is anyone really surprised?  :rolleyes:

    http://gma.yahoo.com/obama-announces-his-support-for-same-sex-marriage.html


    President Obama today announced that he now supports same-sex marriage, reversing his longstanding opposition amid growing pressure from the Democratic base and even his own vice president.

    In an interview with ABC News’ Robin Roberts, the president described his thought process as an “evolution” that led him to this place, based on conversations with his own staff members, openly gαy and lesbian service members, and conversations with his wife and own daughters.

    "I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don't Ask Don't Tell is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a certain point I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married,” Obama told Roberts, in an interview to appear on ABC’s “Good Morning America” Thursday. Excerpts of the interview will air tonight on ABC’s “World News with Diane Sawyer.”

    The president stressed that this is a personal position, and that he still supports the concept of states deciding the issue on their own. But he said he’s confident that more Americans will grow comfortable with gαys and lesbians getting married, citing his own daughters’ comfort with the concept.

    “It’s interesting, some of this is also generational,” the president continued. “You know when I go to college campuses, sometimes I talk to college Republicans who think that I have terrible policies on the economy, on foreign policy, but are very clear that when it comes to same sex equality or, you know,  believe in equality. They are much more comfortable with it. You know, Malia and Sasha, they have friends whose parents are same-sex couples. There have been times where Michelle and I have been sitting around the dinner table and we’re talking about their friends and their parents and Malia and Sasha, it wouldn’t dawn on them that somehow their friends’ parents would be treated differently. It doesn’t make sense to them and frankly, that’s the kind of thing that prompts a change in perspective.”
    [Related: Join the debate about gαy marriage]

    Roberts asked the president if First Lady Michelle Obama was involved in this decision. Obama said she was, and he talked specifically about his own faith in responding.
    “This is something that, you know, we’ve talked about over the years and she, you know, she feels the same way, she feels the same way that I do. And that is that, in the end the values that I care most deeply about and she cares most deeply about is how we treat other people and, you know, I, you know, we are both practicing Christians and obviously this position may be considered to put us at odds with the views of others but, you know, when we think about our faith, the thing at root that we think about is, not only Christ sacrificing himself on our behalf, but it’s also the Golden Rule, you know, treat others the way you would want to be treated. And I think that’s what we try to impart to our kids and that’s what motivates me as president and I figure the most consistent I can be in being true to those precepts, the better I’ll be as a as a dad and a husband and hopefully the better I’ll be as president.”

    Previously, Obama has moved in the direction of supporting same-sex marriage but has consistently stopped short of outright backing it. Instead, he’s voiced support for civil unions for gαy and lesbian couples that provide the rights and benefits enjoyed by married couples, though not defined as “marriage.” At the same time, the president has opposed efforts to ban gαy marriage at the state level, saying that he did not favor attempts to strip rights away from gαy and lesbian couples.

    The president’s position became a flashpoint this week, when Vice President Joe Biden pronounced himself “absolutely comfortable” with allowing same-sex couples to wed.

    Obama aides insisted there was no daylight between the positions held by the president and his vice president when it comes to legal rights, but as other prominent Democrats also weighed in in favor of gαy marriage, the disconnect became difficult for the White House to explain away.

    [Related: How will Obama’s gαy marriage decision affect his re-election campaign?]

    The announcement completes a turnabout for the president, who has opposed gαy marriage throughout his career in national politics. In 1996, as a state Senate candidate, he indicated support for gαy marriage in a questionnaire, but Obama aides later disavowed it and said it did not reflect the candidate’s position.

    In 2004, as a candidate for the US Senate, he cited his own religion in framing his views: “I'm a Christian. I do believe that tradition and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman.”

    He maintained that position through his 2008 presidential campaign, and through his term as president, until today.

    As president in 2010, Obama told ABC’s Jake Tapper that his feelings about gαy marriage were “constantly evolving. I struggle with this.” A year later, the president told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, “I’m still working on it.”

    “I probably won't make news right now, George,” Obama said in October 2011. “But I think that there's no doubt that as I see friends, families, children of gαy couples who are thriving, you know, that has an impact on how I think about these issues.”

    Obama’s decision has political connotations for the fall.

    The issue divides elements of the Democratic base, with liberals and gαy-rights groups eager to see the president go farther, but with gαy marriage far less popular among African-American voters.

    Just yesterday, in North Carolina, voters overwhelmingly approved a constitutional ban on gαy marriage. President Obama carried North Carolina in 2008, and its status as a 2012 battleground was guaranteed by Democrats’ decision to hold their convention in Charlotte this summer.

    Obama’s likely Republican opponent, Mitt Romney, opposes gαy marriage, and fought his state’s highest court when Massachusetts became the first state to legalize gαy marriage in 2004, when Romney was governor. Romney said on the campaign trail Monday that he continues to oppose gαy marriage.

    “My view is that marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman,” Romney said. “That’s the position I’ve had for some time, and I don’t intend to make any adjustments at this point. … Or ever, by the way.”


    Offline Traditional Guy 20

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    Obama declares support for gαy marriage...
    « Reply #1 on: May 09, 2012, 06:09:13 PM »
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  • I guess the President had to bow to the Jєωιѕн pressure to support ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. :wink:

    Peace please I support it now! :sign-surrender:


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    Obama declares support for gαy marriage...
    « Reply #2 on: May 09, 2012, 06:58:54 PM »
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  • What a shocker.  :rolleyes:
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

    Offline alaric

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    Obama declares support for gαy marriage...
    « Reply #3 on: May 09, 2012, 07:02:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    I guess the President had to bow to the Jєωιѕн pressure to support ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. :wink:

    Peace please I support it now! :sign-surrender:
    So much for him being a closet Muslim now eh?

    In an Islamic state they would issue a Fatwa against him for approving something as disgusting as queer marriage.

    This country is going downhill fast, we're getting "change" alright.

    Might be time to start over soon.

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    Obama declares support for gαy marriage...
    « Reply #4 on: May 09, 2012, 07:33:51 PM »
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  • Never again write this:

    gαy marriage

    Only write this:

    sodomite so-called "marriage"
    Age, thou art shamed.*
    O shame, where is thy blush?**

    -Shakespeare, Julius Caesar,* Hamlet**


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    Obama declares support for gαy marriage...
    « Reply #5 on: May 10, 2012, 05:07:09 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jitpring
    Never again write this:

    gαy marriage

    Only write this:

    sodomite so-called "marriage"
    That as the heading of the article.

    I would've called it queer marriage.

    Offline alaric

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    Obama declares support for gαy marriage...
    « Reply #6 on: May 10, 2012, 05:21:55 PM »
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  • I'm just wondering, just how many black "christians" will vote for Obama anyway.

    This just goes to prove how many "christians" actually believe in their doctrine.

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    Obama declares support for gαy marriage...
    « Reply #7 on: May 10, 2012, 10:17:26 PM »
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    I'm just wondering, just how many black "christians" will vote for Obama anyway.

    This just goes to prove how many "christians" actually believe in their doctrine.


    Ah minorities always vote liberal. It's all about race.


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    Obama declares support for gαy marriage...
    « Reply #8 on: May 11, 2012, 01:04:09 AM »
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  • Why is everyone making a big deal of this as if no one knew. He supported gαys, so it was already a given to any one with a brain that he also supported gαy marriage. He didn't have to tell us that because it wad already obvious.

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    Obama declares support for gαy marriage...
    « Reply #9 on: May 11, 2012, 03:32:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    Quote from: alaric
    I'm just wondering, just how many black "christians" will vote for Obama anyway.

    This just goes to prove how many "christians" actually believe in their doctrine.


    Ah minorities always vote liberal. It's all about race.
    They will vote for the free money and entitlements, that's the bottom line. It's all about who's gonna hand them out the most, race is important, but they want someone in there who is going to pander to their every want and need.

    To be fair, many of the white, rich, right-wingers want the same thing. They don't believe they have to pay their fair share of taxes, they have a sense of entitlement and they feel the govt is responsible for bailing them out as well, to me, they're no better than the third generation welfare cheat.

    A parasite is a parasite, it doesn't matter whether it's downing malt liquor in the projects or sipping martini's at the cocktail bar by Wall St.

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    Obama declares support for gαy marriage...
    « Reply #10 on: May 12, 2012, 02:01:45 PM »
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    A parasite is a parasite, it doesn't matter whether it's downing malt liquor in the projects or sipping martini's at the cocktail bar by Wall St.


    Well you're definitely right about that. But it depends on what you mean by 'right-wing.' I consider myself a traditional conservative and I have no love for corporate types or the "third generation welfare cheat" or a flaming, raving sodomite. :smirk: