Author Topic: New party seeks euro exit and end to immigration (Read 4419 times)

John Grace · « **on:** January 19, 2014, 12:37:11 PM »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-party-seeks-euro-exit-and-end-to-immigration-1.1654842

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Ireland’s newest political party, the National Independent Party, has said it favours exiting the euro and opposes economic migration.
Formally launched in Dublin today, it has an estimated 120 members and lodged its registration papers as a political party to run a limited campaign in Dublin and Limerick for the local elections.
It then aims to reach a 300-member threshold and run in the 2016 general election.

The party favours abandoning the euro and returning to the punt but its European election candidate in the new South constituency Peter O’Loughlin said only when all euro zone countries abandoned the currency.
The party also opposes economic migration. “It makes no sense, while 500,000 of our people (are unemployed) and 300,000 over the last five years are leaving the country, that we should bring in economic migrants,” said Mr McLoughlin.
He stressed it was “simply numbers, not a case of ethnicity or where they’re from”.

When it was put to him that the party was akin in its policies to the UK Independence Party, Mr O’Loughlin, a teaching graduate, acknowledged there are similarities. “There are battlelines being drawn between those who are in favour of the European project and those who are against” and part of the European project inolved “trying to dilute national identities” but “the rest of Europe is swinging” away from that.

The party originated from a group of four who walked from Limerick to Dublin to protest against austerity, calling themselves Slí Níos Fearr (A Better Way).
An ardfheis is planned for the end of February and membership is €10 annually. Martin Critten, originally from the North of England, described the party as “a small grass roots organisation, just building ourselves up”.
He said the party’s manifesto, available at nationalindependentparty.ie, was in draft format and would develop as membership increased.

A business director working in advertising and marketing, he said “when the National Independent Party talks of reform we mean the return of accountability and responsibility and inclusivity in the ways in which this country is run”.
When it talks of Government “we mean cutting its size and the cost burden on the people that actually pay for it in their taxes”.

But asked if the party considered itself to the left, right or centre, Mr O’Loughlin said they had policies considered right-wing but other policies, such as on language, austerity and environment wereleft-wing.
Rather than right, left or centre “we are directly forward...we are liberterian.”

John Grace · « **Reply #1 on:** January 19, 2014, 12:52:10 PM »

It's amazing to think there was division and consternation when Justin Barrett added opposing immigration to his election policy in 2004. Many pro-life folk were divided by this.

He has certainly been vindicated and opposing the EU and immigration are absolutes for any Irish patriot.

I favour a folk nationalist movement as opposed to a political party. Your average person in Ireland are quite fed up of political parties. Many are awaking to the reality that parliamentary democracy is a sham.

andysloan · « **Reply #2 on:** January 19, 2014, 03:57:37 PM »

In accordance with Sacred Scripture, it should be a policy objective to prohibit general immigration and also immigrants should be encouraged and assisted to return to their natural lands, as long as there is no compromise to their well-being:

Ezechiel 47:21

"And you shall divide this land unto you by the tribes of Israel"

Numbers 36:6-9

"And this is the law promulgated by the Lord touching the daughters of Salphaad: Let them marry to whom they will, only so that it be to men of their own tribe. Lest the possession of the children of Israel be mingled from tribe to tribe. For all men shall marry wives of their own tribe and kindred: And all women shall take husbands of the same tribe: that the inheritance may remain in the families, And that the tribes be not mingled one with another, but remain so."

It is a matter of political prudence, how this objective is promulgated and pursued, but nevertheless, it should be an objective. Mass immigration is not Catholic and is a severe disturbance to nationhood, order and unity. In further proof, we know it is the NWO people who are behind this, so as to weaken opposition to their One World Government. Mass immigration is in fact a punishment from God.

Mama ChaCha · « **Reply #3 on:** January 19, 2014, 11:34:07 PM »

Democracy is such a fancy word for forced enslavement by the elite under the guise of mob rule.
I just wish Ireland would go back to being catholic again. Ireland used to be so great. A small, tough nation of hard working people standing on the shoulders of tough, old priests. Then they got infected with concilliarism like the rest of us. Hasn't benefited them one iota.
And everything that made Ireland such a great place has been chucked! For what? The flipping euro??? What a waste!

I guess I'll just go back to praying for the rise of the great monarch...don't worry john grace, one day, Ireland and all of Europe will be catholic again. Keep up the fight!

poche · « **Reply #4 on:** January 20, 2014, 12:00:50 AM »

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were illegal immigrants in Egypt.

ggreg · « **Reply #5 on:** January 20, 2014, 03:47:33 AM »

Quote from: Mama ChaCha

Democracy is such a fancy word for forced enslavement by the elite under the guise of mob rule.
I just wish Ireland would go back to being catholic again. Ireland used to be so great. A small, tough nation of hard working people standing on the shoulders of tough, old priests.

That is not my memory of it.

I went to school with a lot of first generation Irish immigrants in the 1970s and neither they, nor their parents were devout Catholics. Pretty much 90% of my school year was Irish. We were the largest family in the parish and we don't have a bit of Irish blood in us, which is atypical for a Catholic family in the UK.

From what I remember Ireland was a poor country with little economic opportunity even 50 years after independence. That is why many left for the Americas and the UK and never returned.

India has done better since independence and Australia has done fantastically well.

Whatever Ireland returns to, let's hope they learn something from the experience. They were poor as church mice for years and STILL lost their faith and caved in when modernism came along. So the poverty does not appear to me to have helped them.

And their child abuse cases there per head of population were worse than most other countries I believe. Given it is such a small country the numbers were very high in the Irish church. I also believe the abuse cases in Ireland were very bad long before the second Vatican council. At least I seem to remember reading that.

Frances · « **Reply #6 on:** January 20, 2014, 05:57:05 AM »

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In accordance with Sacred Scripture, it should be a policy objective to prohibit general immigration and also immigrants should be encouraged and assisted to return to their natural lands, as long as there is no compromise to their well-being:
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:dancing-banana:
The O.T. is over, fulfilled by Our Lord. If you wish to obey a part of the law, you must obey ALL of it. St. Paul addresses the Galatians about this error.
Just out of curiosity, how would this play out in the USA? Give the country back to the tiny number of purebred aboriginals? To which nation shall I return? In addition to spending half the year in Ireland, I'd divide the remainder of my time between Ukraine, Poland, Germany and Austria. Sounds great! Who is going to finance my travel?
Extending the principal of national sovereignty beyond its rightful boundary results in great harm, just as depriving a nation of sovereignty to make its own laws, mint and regulate her own currency, defend herself against enemies. There are boundaries for Church and state?

TKGS · « **Reply #7 on:** January 20, 2014, 07:07:57 AM »

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Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were illegal immigrants in Egypt.

Possibly the dumbest statement poche has made in his history of CathInfo posting.

Please identify the Egyptian statute that the Holy Family broke in traveling to Egypt. Such immigration laws are a modern phenomenon. But even if there were such laws in Egypt, what is your evidence that they broke the law in traveling there?

poche · « **Reply #8 on:** January 20, 2014, 09:45:10 AM »

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Quote from: poche
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were illegal immigrants in Egypt.

Possibly the dumbest statement poche has made in his history of CathInfo posting.

Please identify the Egyptian statute that the Holy Family broke in traveling to Egypt. Such immigration laws are a modern phenomenon. But even if there were such laws in Egypt, what is your evidence that they broke the law in traveling there?

They were wanted by Herrod's soldiers.

John Grace · « **Reply #9 on:** January 20, 2014, 11:28:08 AM »

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Quote from: Mama ChaCha
Democracy is such a fancy word for forced enslavement by the elite under the guise of mob rule.
I just wish Ireland would go back to being catholic again. Ireland used to be so great. A small, tough nation of hard working people standing on the shoulders of tough, old priests.

That is not my memory of it.

I went to school with a lot of first generation Irish immigrants in the 1970s and neither they, nor their parents were devout Catholics. Pretty much 90% of my school year was Irish. We were the largest family in the parish and we don't have a bit of Irish blood in us, which is atypical for a Catholic family in the UK.

From what I remember Ireland was a poor country with little economic opportunity even 50 years after independence. That is why many left for the Americas and the UK and never returned.

India has done better since independence and Australia has done fantastically well.

Whatever Ireland returns to, let's hope they learn something from the experience. They were poor as church mice for years and STILL lost their faith and caved in when modernism came along. So the poverty does not appear to me to have helped them.

And their child abuse cases there per head of population were worse than most other countries I believe. Given it is such a small country the numbers were very high in the Irish church. I also believe the abuse cases in Ireland were very bad long before the second Vatican council. At least I seem to remember reading that.

Whilst Archbishop Lefebvre spoke well of De Valera, De Valera is largely responsible for Ireland's woes. Whilst Michael Collins and others fought for Ireland, De Valera was with International Financiers in the top New York hotel.

John Grace · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2014, 11:43:59 AM »

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From what I remember Ireland was a poor country with little economic opportunity even 50 years after independence. That is why many left for the Americas and the UK and never returned.

Capitalism is to blame. This is why we must work for a wider distribution of wealth.

Frances · « **Reply #11 on:** January 20, 2014, 11:48:52 AM »

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Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were illegal immigrants in Egypt.

:dancing-banana: Shame on you, poche! You are badly infected with liberalism.
Your remark borders on blasphemy. The Holy Family was not fleeing Herod's army; they were obeying God. It was a surprise attack. If the parents of the Holy Innocents knew about the plot, they would have fled. If St. Joseph hadn't been instructed by Heaven to flee to Egypt, the Holy Family would have remained in their home. Dare I suggest that St. Joseph did not know in advance that any other than Our Lord was in Herod's sights? Read St. Luke's account carefully! No details were given. St. Joseph obeyed not because of knowledge, but because he knew his Master's Voice.

John Grace · « **Reply #12 on:** January 20, 2014, 12:01:53 PM »

I spoke to Bishop Williamson about this. I agree that Ireland needs to be poor and Catholic. Many are rotted out by the modern world so do not want to go back to being Catholic.

andysloan · « **Reply #13 on:** January 20, 2014, 02:17:53 PM »

To Frances:

The old law did not do away with the judicial precepts, of which the passages I quoted are part, but only in terms of their association with the old law. St Thomas explains thus:

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/2104.htm

As to how a ruler would distinguish between persons and implement policy, this would be a matter of political prudence on a country by country basis, using a set of criteria that expressed the common culture of a land. (Generational descent would have a low value in such considerations.)

Thus do nations of common culture hold more easily together:

Ecclesiasticus 13:19

"Every beast loveth its like: so also every man him that is nearest to himself."

If we look at the present state of affairs in the West, we can see it a punishment of providence:

Deuteronomy 28:43-44

"The stranger that liveth with thee in the land, shall rise up over thee, and shall be higher: and thou shalt go down, and be lower. He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him. He shall be as the head, and thou shalt be the tail."

Lamentations 5:2

"Our inheritance is turned to aliens: our houses to strangers."

ggreg · « **Reply #14 on:** January 20, 2014, 02:25:30 PM »

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I spoke to Bishop Williamson about this. I agree that Ireland needs to be poor and Catholic. Many are rotted out by the modern world so do not want to go back to being Catholic.

Is that the same Bishop Williamson who recently asked for 700,000 dollars in donations so he could buy a house in one of the most expensive cities on the earth?

Admittedly, that is what a decent house in London costs now.