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Offline ggreg

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New party seeks euro exit and end to immigration
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2014, 02:27:47 PM »
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    Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were illegal immigrants in Egypt.  


    Possibly the dumbest statement poche has made in his history of CathInfo posting.



    Nah, would not even make the top 100.

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    « Reply #16 on: January 20, 2014, 02:31:11 PM »
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  • To Poche,


    We are speaking here of mass immigration which destabilises nations and not small-scale which could be justified for various reasons.


       

    Deuteronomy 23:20


    "But to the stranger. To thy brother thou shalt lend that which he wanteth, without usury: that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all thy works in the land, which thou shalt go in to possess."


    God bless you!


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    « Reply #17 on: January 20, 2014, 02:35:51 PM »
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    From what I remember Ireland was a poor country with little economic opportunity even 50 years after independence.  That is why many left for the Americas and the UK and never returned.


    Capitalism is to blame. This is why we must work for a wider distribution of wealth.


    Crony capitalism is to blame.  If bankers went to jail and corporate fraudsters and insider traders too then capitalism would work just fine.  The problem has been that for the richer people the laws were not applied.  With a level playing field, competition would distribute the wealth better.

    But there are a lot of stupid and lazy people and they are always going to be poor whatever system you have.  I know Greek and Italian immigrants who started fish and chip shops and work themselves very hard and within 30 years they are worth a few million quid.  In America there are Koreans who run dry cleaning shops and open at 6am and close at 10pm and operate 6 days per week. How do you "distribute" that wealth?  Unless by "distribute" you mean steal/confiscate.

    People who buy lottery tickets for example.  Give them a million dollars and in 5 to 10 years they will be broke.

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    « Reply #18 on: January 20, 2014, 03:30:10 PM »
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  • The primary cause of the Irish poverty was the issue of money as debt and also the clandestine control by Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ of the quantity of money in circulation:


       
    “I am afraid the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can and do create money. And they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of Governments and hold in the hollow of their hand the destiny of the people.” Reginald McKenna, as Chairman of the Midland Bank, addressing stockholders in 1924.



    “The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.”
    The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.


    “Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.” Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild.


    The "Celtic Tiger" phase was a ruse. Vast investments by the EU (no doubt in co-ordination with the controllers of the Irish banking system) were effectively a bribe to fool the people of Ireland into surrendering their sovereignty to the European (crypto-communist) superstate. With the passage of the Lisbon treaty, they achieved their aim and thereafter the money supply was deliberately contracted, so as to leave many in debt after the cheap credit gorge, sovereignty and freedoms surrendered and citizens increasingly in thrall to the State.


    Capitalism is an egregious economic system that reduces the individual to a unit of production and places profit maximisation to holders of capital above personal, family and social well-being and distributive justice. A just economic system would be co-operative in the manner described in the Acts of the Apostles:

    Acts 4:32-35

    "And the multitude of believers had but one heart and one soul: neither did any one say that aught of the things which he possessed, was his own; but all things were common unto them. And with great power did the apostles give testimony of the resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord; and great grace was in them all.  For neither was there any one needy among them. For as many as were owners of lands or houses, sold them, and brought the price of the things they sold, And laid it down before the feet of the apostles. And distribution was made to every one, according as he had need."


    However, given the fallen state of man, society would need to be strong in grace for this to be workable for theoretical communism espouses these principles and as we have seen, without grace, the strong will exploit the weak.

       
    Psalms 36:14

    "The wicked have drawn out the sword: they have bent their bow. To cast down the poor and needy, to kill the upright of heart."


    Thus private property rights are a bulwark in defence of exploitation, but a healthy co-operative system can still function without property being held in common..

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    « Reply #19 on: January 20, 2014, 07:24:34 PM »
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    Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were illegal immigrants in Egypt.  


    Possibly the dumbest statement poche has made in his history of CathInfo posting.

    Please identify the Egyptian statute that the Holy Family broke in traveling to Egypt.  Such immigration laws are a modern phenomenon.  But even if there were such laws in Egypt, what is your evidence that they broke the law in traveling there?

    They were wanted by Herrod's soldiers.


    Here is your second dumbest statement.

    When one flees persecution in one country and immigrates to another, the refugee is not an "illegal immigrant".  In today's laws, many countries, including the United States, welcome certain refugees from other countries when those refugees face persecution.  

    For the Holy Family to be "illegal immigrants" they would have to break the laws of Egypt.  However, just because they were being looked for by Herod's soldiers does not mean they were breaking the law even in Bethlehem.

    Give it up.  The contention that the Holy Family were illegal immigrants is a tired and worn out line--not to mention that it is a fraud, a lie, and a disgusting attempt at a moral equivalency.


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    « Reply #20 on: January 20, 2014, 11:24:23 PM »
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    Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were illegal immigrants in Egypt.  

     :dancing-banana: Shame on you, poche!  You are badly infected with liberalism.
    Your remark borders on blasphemy.  The Holy Family was not fleeing Herod's army; they were obeying God.  It was a surprise attack.  If the parents of the Holy Innocents knew about the plot, they would have fled. If St. Joseph hadn't been instructed by Heaven to flee to Egypt, the Holy Family would have remained in their home. Dare I suggest that St. Joseph did not know in advance that any other than Our Lord was in Herod's sights?  Read St. Luke's account carefully!  No details were given.  St. Joseph obeyed not because of knowledge, but because he knew his Master's Voice.  

    This is the reason Jesus, Mary, and Joseph went to Egypt.
    From Matthew 2:13
    13 "When they had departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, "Rise, take the child and his mother, flee to Egypt, 7 and stay there until I tell you. Herod is going to search for the child to destroy him."


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    « Reply #21 on: January 20, 2014, 11:33:22 PM »
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    Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were illegal immigrants in Egypt.  


    Possibly the dumbest statement poche has made in his history of CathInfo posting.

    Please identify the Egyptian statute that the Holy Family broke in traveling to Egypt.  Such immigration laws are a modern phenomenon.  But even if there were such laws in Egypt, what is your evidence that they broke the law in traveling there?

    They were wanted by Herrod's soldiers.


    Here is your second dumbest statement.

    When one flees persecution in one country and immigrates to another, the refugee is not an "illegal immigrant".  In today's laws, many countries, including the United States, welcome certain refugees from other countries when those refugees face persecution.  

    For the Holy Family to be "illegal immigrants" they would have to break the laws of Egypt.  However, just because they were being looked for by Herod's soldiers does not mean they were breaking the law even in Bethlehem.

    Give it up.  The contention that the Holy Family were illegal immigrants is a tired and worn out line--not to mention that it is a fraud, a lie, and a disgusting attempt at a moral equivalency.

    Not so. There were large numbers of people in the United States from El Salvador, Guatamala, Nicaragua and Honduras who were fleeing the wars going on down there and most of them were classified as illegal aliens. The United States welcomes many refugees but not all of them. There are other countries who do not welcome refugees at all.    

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    « Reply #22 on: January 21, 2014, 06:37:30 AM »
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    Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were illegal immigrants in Egypt.  

     :dancing-banana: Shame on you, poche!  You are badly infected with liberalism.
    Your remark borders on blasphemy.  The Holy Family was not fleeing Herod's army; they were obeying God.  It was a surprise attack.  If the parents of the Holy Innocents knew about the plot, they would have fled. If St. Joseph hadn't been instructed by Heaven to flee to Egypt, the Holy Family would have remained in their home. Dare I suggest that St. Joseph did not know in advance that any other than Our Lord was in Herod's sights?  Read St. Luke's account carefully!  No details were given.  St. Joseph obeyed not because of knowledge, but because he knew his Master's Voice.  

    This is the reason Jesus, Mary, and Joseph went to Egypt.
    From Matthew 2:13
    13 "When they had departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, "Rise, take the child and his mother, flee to Egypt, 7 and stay there until I tell you. Herod is going to search for the child to destroy him."



    We should keep in mind that any act done in obedience to a direct command from God is in a different moral category from normal acts. In other words, no state policies on immigrants or refugees can be derived from this event.


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    « Reply #23 on: January 21, 2014, 07:17:20 AM »
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  • New party? The single issue racism party, which grows only on the strength of the people's dislike of foreigners.