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New Evidence Means Election Do-Over
« on: November 08, 2020, 03:12:46 PM »
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    • New Evidence Means Election Do-Over

    New evidence surfaced that calls into question the entire Presidential election. This evidence is more staggering than anyone thought before.As the battle for the White House continues, Republicans and Democrats continue to insist that their chose candidate won the election. Republicans are claiming that former Vice President Joe Biden’s lead is due to rampant voter fraud and both sides are locked in multiple legal battles in various states. On Thursday, the Nevada Republican Party announced that its lawyers sent a criminal referral to Attorney General William Barr alleging that at least 3,062 cases of voter fraud have been committed in the state.


    “We expect that number to grow substantially,” the Nevada GOP wrote on Twitter Thursday evening. “Thousands of individuals have been identified who appear to have violated the law by casting ballots after they moved from NV.”




    The referral came right after President Trump’s campaign announced that it was filing a lawsuit in the state over thousands of ballots that it claims were cast by voters no longer residing in Nevada. The attorneys sent Barr over 60 pages of voter records that they claim to have cross-referenced with the National Change of Address database. 



    In a letter sent to the attorney general, they wrote, “We write to bring to your attention criminal voter fraud in the State of Nevada in the 2020 general election. Specifically, we have initially identified 3,062 individuals who appear to have improperly cast mail ballots in the election.” they also stated that they expect the number to “grow substantially.” 



    They added, “Voter fraud is a serious federal felony, one that cuts to the heart of representative democracy. We understand that these are serious allegations and we do not make them lightly.”



    The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Nevada chimed in on the matter, noting that voters do not lose their eligibility if they leave the state temporarily. “The ACLU of Nevada is watching to be sure this election remains fair and we are prepared to fight if any serious cases are filed,” staff attorney Nikki Levy said in a statement posted on Twitter. However, it is not known whether or not these cases referred to people who left the state temporarily or permanently. 


    Richard Grenell, former acting director of national intelligence stated that “if you haven’t been in the state for 30 days it is illegal to vote … we are filing this lawsuit to protect legal voters.” 



    Trump was lagging behind former Vice President Joe Biden in Nevada as of early Friday morning by 11,400 votes with 84% of the ballots counted. 



    This is just one instance where the Trump campaign is challenging the results of the elections in battleground states. They are doing the same in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. Biden’s legal team is also pushing back against the lawsuits filed by the Trump campaign. 



    Republicans have pointed to numerous examples of what they claim is proof of widespread voter fraud. However, so far, they have not yet shown that these instances are influencing the election. However, most of these cases will go to court; in fact, it is possible that the Supreme Court might have to sort this out. If Trump’s team can provide irrefutable evidence that voter fraud is swinging the election toward Biden, the president might have a chance to secure re-election.




    As the battle goes on, the nation is kept wondering how this election will turn out. Unfortunately, since states like Arizona and others have not yet finished counting their votes and litigation is pending, it is unlikely that we will know the answer anytime soon. 
    Sources: Red State: Nevada GOP Sends ‘At Least 3,062 Instances Of Voter Fraud’ To Attorney General William Barr





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    Offline SimpleMan

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    Re: New Evidence Means Election Do-Over
    « Reply #1 on: November 08, 2020, 03:23:07 PM »
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    • Back in 2000, I thought the cries of "re-vote" in Florida were just the pathetic laments of, shall we say, certain people who insist that the world revolve around them, regardless of the inconvenience or difficulty that this causes others.  You know the type.  However, I'm wondering if this might be the only option for a fair and just election.  That said, re-votes in several states a month before the electoral college votes, would be the mother of all goat-clusters.  And who would ensure that this election would be free of tampering?

    I have just gotten through watching Communist fellow-travel Van Jones and the horse turds running down his face on CNN.  These two fingers you see rubbing together are the world's smallest violin playing a threnody of sympathy.
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    Re: New Evidence Means Election Do-Over
    « Reply #2 on: November 08, 2020, 05:03:09 PM »
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    • My fantasy, since several days ago, has been a re-vote, but if that were to happen, the courts should also ensure that it be regulated as if it's a top secret operation.  Thus:

    1.no mail-in voting; voting is brought to those confined in institutions like hospitals/nursing homes
    2.no after-the-fact voting
    3.the military is stationed at polls (near lines, at voting stations, and in counting areas)
    4.all counting is videotaped, with videotapes surrendered to military authorities immediately after live voting concludes
    5.all ballot signatures verified with registrations or they don't count
    6.photo I.D. required
    7.no hidden counting in dark rooms
    8.no campaigning and fraudulent "instructions" about how to vote, or voting "for others"
    9.pens provided by military personnel, who will bring those with them for those who lack pens
    10.no one "helping" anyone to mark a ballot
    11.for counting: partisan observers present, along with standard poll watchers and law enforcement
    12.no software used for tallies, and nothing else automated without checks on the electronic recording, since no electronics are trustworthy at this point.
    13. violations of any of the above = federal offense with mandatory jail time, minimum 5 years, and you lose your own voting rights forever. (Mandatory Sentencing Guidelines)

    Without such comprehensive changes in operations, the electorate will not believe the results.
    With supervision, there might be opportunities to walk in an already marked ballot (as I did), but with strict monitoring of those drop-offs.
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    Re: New Evidence Means Election Do-Over
    « Reply #3 on: November 08, 2020, 05:09:21 PM »
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    • Adding #14:
    State popular and electoral counts, after certification, reported to the Supreme Court.  Nothing announced by election officials, AG's, politicians, the media, governors, or campaign managers. (Leaking results also becomes a violation.) All numerical merely submitted in some secure method with multiple checks on that security. Supreme Court itself announces all results. (Think about how juries announce their verdicts: decision gets passed to a court clerk, who passes it on either to a clerk-announcer or the judge himself/herself.)  Juries haven't announced their own verdicts in decades.
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