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Do you live in a swing state and do you plan on voting?

Yes, and I'm planning to vote
1 (5%)
Yes, and I'm not planning to vote
2 (10%)
No, and I'm planning to vote
13 (65%)
No, and I'm not planning to vote
4 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 19

Voting closed: November 05, 2024, 12:29:48 PM

Author Topic: Do You Live in a Swing State?  (Read 8250 times)

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Offline 2Vermont

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Re: Do You Live in a Swing State?
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2024, 06:43:13 AM »
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  • Yes God has obviously allowed the Crisis in the Church (which we're all familiar with). But we've had Trad lifeboats all over the world, from the very beginning, that we could keep the Faith in. But when someone comes along and suggests that "No, God not only allowed the Catholic Church to be effectively destroyed, He didn't even provide for the Faithful with lifeboats. Not even lifeboats JUST INCONVENIENT ENOUGH to be achievable with good-willed effort, but at the same time a good test and a chance to practice heroic virtue."
    ...and this impossible-level Crisis God would happily allow to go on for decades?

    NOPE. NOT EVER GOING TO BELIEVE THAT. EVER. God would never shove such a blackpill down every throat on earth.

    I know for a fact that God is good. God would NOT put us in a place where we couldn't save our souls. I was taught that God allows everyone the chance to save their souls. Grace is free, and He gives more grace to others because God Himself is free. But that doesn't mean He would make it LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to find, grasp, hold, and practice the truth. Or make it impossible for 99.999% of humanity practice the Catholic Faith.

    If the Catholic Church truly collapses to the utter degree SOME extreme Trads imagine, the Chastisement/Apocalypse would be HOURS or SINGLE-DIGIT DAYS away, not years or decades.
    I hadn't thought of this idea.  The main purpose for the Catholic Church is for the salvation of souls.  Yes, there have been times when our well-known Catholic bishops have come to different conclusions/opinions on things, but, interestingly enough, this is one topic that they all appear to be agreeing on. 

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    Re: Do You Live in a Swing State?
    « Reply #16 on: October 16, 2024, 06:58:39 AM »
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  • My point is that God has been pleased in the past to make the Truth *difficult* to find, require some effort, good will, etc.

    What God has NOT done in the past is allow the Truth to become completely obscured, such that it becomes "lost knowledge" that only Special People have knowledge (gnosis) of.

    I'm not willing to accept a Gnostic-level burying of the Truth. God would never allow that. Universally opposed? Sure. Beat like a red-headed stepchild in and out of season? Sure. But the Truth at least needs to be "out there" so that MOST people of good will can find it, and if their heart is right with God, and their priorities are straight, they can embrace and accept it.
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    Re: Do You Live in a Swing State?
    « Reply #17 on: October 16, 2024, 01:12:58 PM »
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  • Yep.  Only the much-aligned "Feeneyites" have gotten it right on this issue (as also on others) ...
    https://catholicism.org/lesser-of-two-evils.html

    Those "priests" and "bishops" who have nearly all failed to articulate Catholic truth will be held accountable for their dereliction of duty.  At the same time, the Trads who justify their actions based on this "Nuremeberg" defense of "muh Trad clergy" instead of taking the time to prayerfully form their own consciences, since these Trads are singing the song they want to here, they too will be held accountable.  Nowhere among the Trad clergy can you find such an explanation of this VERY BASIC, FUNDAMENTAL, and QUINTISSENTIALLY CATHOLIC principle that "lesser evil" is not Catholic and that only an application of "double effect" is permissible.

    But I guess, then, that Tradism has been reduced primarily to arguing about whether the sight of a woman's feet at Mass are an occasion of sin and whether a man's forearms must be covered ... as opposed to upholding the most fundamental Catholic principles of moral theology, Catholic ecclesiology and soteriology (where many, if not most, Trads have become Old Catholics).

    Carry on.  Hopefully you'll solve the question of the liceity of bare female toes at Mass ... even if you don't care to get it right about more serious matters.
    Interestingly, your position aligns with what Fr. Hewko has stated: that Catholics cannot vote for either hαɾɾιs or Trump, a stance he has reiterated on multiple occasions recently.

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    Re: Do You Live in a Swing State?
    « Reply #18 on: October 18, 2024, 01:21:03 AM »
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  • Interestingly, your position aligns with what Fr. Hewko has stated: that Catholics cannot vote for either hαɾɾιs or Trump, a stance he has reiterated on multiple occasions recently.

    Who the heck are you? Brand new poster with a whole string of posts on all of these threads all telling Catholics not to vote.

    It's very obvious that being so adamant and passionate in telling pro-life Catholics not to vote, you are clearing a path for Hαɾɾιs and their lot to win and reinstate Roe v Wade among so much more. You condemn Trump for not going far enough, getting cold feat and flip flopping (all the more reason to pray for him), yet you conveniently and consistently omit the alternative if Trump loses... very, very dishonest! 

    I have no doubt there are controlled opposition types on forums such as these, someone who just signed up and has a whole string of posts like yours on a subject such as this is completely bullshit IMO.

    If you don't want to vote then don't... those who voted for Trump in 2016 actually achieved major progress in the Pro-Life cause (something they were mocked for as delusional at the time too) and people like you are so passionate and desperate to shut them down and thus turn back the clock... makes me wonder what side your on, I think I already know and deeply dishonest and corrupt people like that will get their reward one day.

    The Pro-Life cause, in their righteous might, will eventually win through to absolute victory and you cannot fool me with such dishonesty and trickery!

    As St Francis of Assisi said, sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it... there is no excuse for being so passionate in condemning Trump who overturned Roe v Wade and thus trying to turn back the clock with a hαɾɾιs election, seems to me to be another ousting of those who never actually wanted to achieve any success in the Pro-Life movement but rather infiltrators looking to deceive and trick people in order to keep them divided and ineffective by making a long list of strict demands in such a short time frame that have no chance of succeeding.

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    Re: Do You Live in a Swing State?
    « Reply #19 on: October 18, 2024, 10:26:28 AM »
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  • Who the heck are you? Brand new poster with a whole string of posts on all of these threads all telling Catholics not to vote.

    It's very obvious that being so adamant and passionate in telling pro-life Catholics not to vote, you are clearing a path for Hαɾɾιs and their lot to win and reinstate Roe v Wade among so much more. You condemn Trump for not going far enough, getting cold feat and flip flopping (all the more reason to pray for him), yet you conveniently and consistently omit the alternative if Trump loses... very, very dishonest! 

    I have no doubt there are controlled opposition types on forums such as these, someone who just signed up and has a whole string of posts like yours on a subject such as this is completely bullshit IMO.

    If you don't want to vote then don't... those who voted for Trump in 2016 actually achieved major progress in the Pro-Life cause (something they were mocked for as delusional at the time too) and people like you are so passionate and desperate to shut them down and thus turn back the clock... makes me wonder what side your on, I think I already know and deeply dishonest and corrupt people like that will get their reward one day.

    The Pro-Life cause, in their righteous might, will eventually win through to absolute victory and you cannot fool me with such dishonesty and trickery!

    As St Francis of Assisi said, sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it... there is no excuse for being so passionate in condemning Trump who overturned Roe v Wade and thus trying to turn back the clock with a hαɾɾιs election, seems to me to be another ousting of those who never actually wanted to achieve any success in the Pro-Life movement but rather infiltrators looking to deceive and trick people in order to keep them divided and ineffective by making a long list of strict demands in such a short time frame that have no chance of succeeding.
    Trump is not pro-life.


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    Re: Do You Live in a Swing State?
    « Reply #20 on: October 19, 2024, 01:47:46 AM »
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  • Trump is not pro-life.

    Trump overturned Roe v Wade... what the hell have you done? And to condemn him while omitting the obvious alternative... that is so insane that it can only be sabotage.

    "Our lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

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    Re: Do You Live in a Swing State?
    « Reply #21 on: October 22, 2024, 11:52:07 AM »
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  • Bumping this one as well:  in case you still haven't voted in the poll or wish to change your vote.