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Offline StLouisIX

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Re: Mike Pence denounces Q as Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2020, 07:13:56 PM »
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    When Columbus told people the world was a ball and not a pancake, they were highly upset. They were being asked to reject their way of thinking of a lifetime and adopt a whole new outlook. The "intellectuals" of the day scoffed at Columbus and people were afraid they would lose social prestige if they listened to him.

    The assertion that the majority of people believed that the world was flat back in the time of Columbus is utterly ridiculous, and has been refuted many times over. If you would like to read some real history about this great Catholic man, here is a good book: 

    https://catholicharboroffaithandmorals.com/The%20Life%20of%20Christopher%20Columbus.html

    Offline forlorn

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    Re: Mike Pence denounces Q as Conspiracy Theory
    « Reply #16 on: August 21, 2020, 07:14:09 PM »
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  • Interestingly, this commentator on YouTube, though not a Catholic, makes the interesting observation that the whole Q phenomena seems to an operation in subduing political/social action on the part of Trump's base that is deemed detrimental to the legitimacy of the establishment. The whole video goes into this comparison between how the Grassroots Right was FAR more pro-active back in 2016 than were they are now. The Meme Wars and the rise of the "Alt-Right" and their dissemination of politically incorrect ideas are brought up as examples, and the user points out how this was done by average people.

    However, now with the whole Q thing, people are caught in this cycle where they're constantly waiting for new information from an unknown source, having to do with various sorts of "conspiracy theories" that may be true. However, it does not really have as much of an effect on the lives of the average Trump supporter as compared to something like the demographic shift or getting outsiders into positions of power in the GOP.

    For the record, I am not denying that there are legitimate cօռspιʀαcιҽs (and neither does the commentator), however the point is that these theories are being brought up to distract from other issues. I think this guy is correct in his observation that I've just summarized above.

    Also, I do not support the "Daily Stormer", which is brought up in this video as an example of a website that was used to "jam the culture" back in 2016. Just to warn those who do not want to hear such things, there is also some minor swearing present.

    Here is the video itself:



    I agree that Q's "Trust in the Plan" rhetoric probably discouraged individual and grassroots action, but it doesn't counter Matthew and Seán's point that if Q is fake or lying, etc. then they have no reason to believe there actually is a plan. Trump hasn't really delivered on his promises to drain the swamp at all. 

    We can only hope this current Barr investigation finally changes things just in time for the election, but it's a long shot.


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    Re: Mike Pence denounces Q as Conspiracy Theory
    « Reply #17 on: August 21, 2020, 07:15:43 PM »
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  • The assertion that the majority of people believed that the world was flat back in the time of Columbus is utterly ridiculous, and has been refuted many times over. If you would like to read some real history about this great Catholic man, here is a good book:

    https://catholicharboroffaithandmorals.com/The%20Life%20of%20Christopher%20Columbus.html
    Yeah, it's an old anti-Catholic smear designed to imply the (Catholic) Monarchy of Spain and the Church were dogmatic in their silly belief in a flat Earth until Columbus proved them all wrong.

    It's a complete fabrication, invented during the Enlightenment as part of a campaign of smears against the Catholic Middle Ages. For me, hearing someone say that line is like when Matthew hears "conspiracy theory" - it instantly indicates to me that they're acting in bad faith, or are at the very least woefully ignorant.

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Mike Pence denounces Q as Conspiracy Theory
    « Reply #18 on: August 21, 2020, 07:19:41 PM »
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  • Hey, the warriors in each of the tribes (living in the darkness of paganism, in the heart of Africa, in a bitter war against each other) take their war seriously as well! They are each earnestly striving to destroy the other side, and the victor will kill the survivors of the vanquished, destroy their villages, capture and enslave their women and children, etc.
    But in both cases, there is no "good guy" that Catholics should concern themselves about, or go out of their way to support.
    For the record, I never believed the Q stuff. Too many inaccuracies.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Mike Pence denounces Q as Conspiracy Theory
    « Reply #19 on: August 21, 2020, 07:23:35 PM »
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  • I agree that Q's "Trust in the Plan" rhetoric probably discouraged individual and grassroots action, but it doesn't counter Matthew and Seán's point that if Q is fake or lying, etc. then they have no reason to believe there actually is a plan. Trump hasn't really delivered on his promises to drain the swamp at all.

    We can only hope this current Barr investigation finally changes things just in time for the election, but it's a long shot.
    I will give Trump to the very end to prove himself. If the conspirators and their minions aren’t brought to justice, then he will be a failure. 
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Mike Pence denounces Q as Conspiracy Theory
    « Reply #20 on: August 21, 2020, 07:48:40 PM »
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  • He's giving Jewlywood everything it could hope for:
    Totalitarianism; social chaos; closed churches; COVID19 hoax; shutdown of the economy; militantly pro-sodomy; anti-marriage/anti-family (BLM); etc.
    Trump doesn't need to act: You only need to watch what transpires under his misleadership.
    When did Trump promote BLM or the Covid shutdowns?  I get that he (obviously reluctantly) encouraged shutdown *in April* and even then he didn't stand in the way of governors reopening quicker.

    I think Trump knows Covid is a hoax at least.

    Offline Mithrandylan

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    Re: Mike Pence denounces Q as Conspiracy Theory
    « Reply #21 on: August 21, 2020, 08:02:53 PM »
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  • Q has always seemed like BS to me, although I understand why Trump has mostly been reticent, since it's best not to alienate an intellectually credulous voting base.  Not sure why Pence is coming out now to say this, seems like a bad move.  Just stay quiet and let the Q weirdos keep thinking that you're in charge.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Mike Pence denounces Q as Conspiracy Theory
    « Reply #22 on: August 22, 2020, 08:48:40 AM »
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  • Okay, so I don't know a lot about the Q story, but I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would believe that an anonymous person on the internet is some sort of high up government insider, and that they are leaking secret information.
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    Also, Trump has been in office for 3.5 years now and Q's prophecies about "deep state" people being sent to prison have completely failed to materialize. If anything, it's Trump's advisers and assistants who seem to keep getting thrown in prison one after another.


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    Re: Mike Pence denounces Q as Conspiracy Theory
    « Reply #23 on: August 24, 2020, 02:36:20 AM »
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  • There must be something to this Q. Why would face book, Twitter, YouTube go to so much trouble purging it all if it is nothing.    Wouldn’t Q and supporters be generating income for social media?   
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Mike Pence denounces Q as Conspiracy Theory
    « Reply #24 on: August 24, 2020, 05:15:44 AM »
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  • I hope I don't have to wait until the end of my life to find out who Q is and what is his motivation.

    It's interesting that a group of people who are calling for investigations & justice (haven't taken things into their own hands despite soaking this stuff up for years) is now considered a "hate" group. I'm sure there are plenty of nasty graphic and twitter rants out there based on Q info, but nothing more so than what is out there about Trump.

    With Antifa out in the streets destroying anything it can get away with, it's ludicrous that it's the Trump administration being pressed to denounce QAnon.