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Offline jman123

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Meghan Markle won't vow to obey husband
« on: May 18, 2018, 10:34:40 PM »
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    Re: Meghan Markle won't vow to obey husband
    « Reply #1 on: May 18, 2018, 10:40:11 PM »
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  • "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
    Ephesians 2:8-9


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    Re: Meghan Markle won't vow to obey husband
    « Reply #2 on: May 19, 2018, 09:09:12 AM »
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  • "A Happy wife is a Happy Life"

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Meghan Markle won't vow to obey husband
    « Reply #3 on: May 19, 2018, 09:12:22 AM »
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  • Just give her the Henry VIII treatment. Tis the Anglican thing to do! ;)
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster

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    Re: Meghan Markle won't vow to obey husband
    « Reply #4 on: May 19, 2018, 09:41:47 AM »
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  • Just give her the Henry VIII treatment. Tis the Anglican thing to do! ;)
     

             " But... he said he loved me?"



    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Meghan Markle won't vow to obey husband
    « Reply #5 on: May 19, 2018, 10:28:14 AM »
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  • Didn't she already make vows to someone else????
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: Meghan Markle won't vow to obey husband
    « Reply #6 on: May 19, 2018, 06:40:06 PM »
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  • The young Harry has made a pivotal mistake. So it goes. People are strange.

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    Re: Meghan Markle won't vow to obey husband
    « Reply #7 on: May 19, 2018, 06:49:45 PM »
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  • No surprise a feminist mantra. But wrong despite that. 


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    Re: Meghan Markle won't vow to obey husband
    « Reply #8 on: May 19, 2018, 10:20:33 PM »
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  • Didn't she already make vows to someone else????
    Yep. She was previously married and divorce. Harry couldn't find anyone better? Come on!
    "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
    Ephesians 2:8-9

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    Re: Meghan Markle won't vow to obey husband
    « Reply #9 on: May 19, 2018, 10:22:02 PM »
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  • If she doesn't obey God, why would she obey an earthly prince?
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: Meghan Markle won't vow to obey husband
    « Reply #10 on: May 20, 2018, 12:19:17 AM »
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  • In the Mozarabic rite there is no promise of obedience in the celebration of marriage.

    166. The priest invites them to express their consent:

    Now, then, contract Marriage before the holy Mother Church, represented by all of us gathered here.

    (first to the wife) Priest: N., do you want N., for your husband and husband?
    The wife: Yes, I want it.

    Priest: Do you surrender for your wife and wife?
    The wife: Yes, I surrender.

    Priest: Do you receive it for your husband and husband?
    The wife: Yes I receive it.

    (to husband) Priest: N., do you want N., for your wife and wife?
    The husband: Yes, I love her.

    Priest: Do you surrender for your husband and husband?
    The husband: Yes, I surrender.

    Priest: Do you receive it for your wife and wife?
    The husband: Yes, I receive it.

    Confirmation of consent

    167. Then the priest who receives the consent says to the spouses:


    Well, I, in the name of the Holy Mother Church,
    I acknowledge and confirm this Marriage
    that you have celebrated.
    The blessing of Almighty God,
    Father, Son and Holy Spirit,
    descend on your union.

    http://www.hispanomozarabe.es/


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    Re: Meghan Markle won't vow to obey husband
    « Reply #11 on: May 20, 2018, 12:50:03 AM »
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  • In the Mozarabic rite there is no promise of obedience in the celebration of marriage.

    166. The priest invites them to express their consent:

    Now, then, contract Marriage before the holy Mother Church, represented by all of us gathered here.

    (first to the wife) Priest: N., do you want N., for your husband and husband?
    The wife: Yes, I want it.

    Priest: Do you surrender for your wife and wife?
    The wife: Yes, I surrender.

    Priest: Do you receive it for your husband and husband?
    The wife: Yes I receive it.

    (to husband) Priest: N., do you want N., for your wife and wife?
    The husband: Yes, I love her.

    Priest: Do you surrender for your husband and husband?
    The husband: Yes, I surrender.

    Priest: Do you receive it for your wife and wife?
    The husband: Yes, I receive it.

    Confirmation of consent

    167. Then the priest who receives the consent says to the spouses:


    Well, I, in the name of the Holy Mother Church,
    I acknowledge and confirm this Marriage
    that you have celebrated.
    The blessing of Almighty God,
    Father, Son and Holy Spirit,
    descend on your union.

    http://www.hispanomozarabe.es/
    what your point?  Who cares what they do in a tiny eastern catholic rite.  

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    Re: Meghan Markle won't vow to obey husband
    « Reply #12 on: May 20, 2018, 01:33:30 AM »
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  • I've read, but haven't confirmed, that the Windsors are crypto-Jews.

    About Markle, from semiticcontroversies:

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    Is Meghan Markle Jewish?
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     Prince Harry Windsor’s paramour and celebrity girlfriend Meghan Markle – who is to be Harry’s future wife – has been recently put forward as being jewish by a series of widely-read fashion and gossip magazines. (1)
     
     The fact is however that her mother Doria Ragland is black and as far as I can is neither a Hebrew Israelite or has ever claimed to be part of the Lemba tribe from southern Africa, (2) which claim jewish ancestry and for which there is some genetic evidence. (3)
     
     Nor is her father Thomas Markle a member of the tribe. He is in fact Irish and there is no indication as far as I can see that there are any ‘jews in the woodpile’, (4) especially as jews are a very small minority in Ireland and have been throughout its history. (5)
     
     There is also strong evidence that a story of Markle’s conversion to or from – depending on whom you read – Judaism is pure fantasy. (6)
     
     Jenny Singer’s contention that Markle is jewish is a based off the fact that Markle did a ‘jewish chair dance’ at her wedding to her jewish first husband Trevor Engelson, has changed her first name from Rachel to Meghan (‘a common jewish practice’) and has said that jewish producers at casting calls have mentioned that she ‘looks Sephardic’. (7)
     
     Not exactly a strong ‘positive case’ if one can even call it a case at all…
     
     The simple fact is that there is no evidence whatsoever that Meghan Markle is jewish.
     
     
    References

     (1) http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/is-meghan-markle-jewish-the-internet-is-confused/
     (2) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3898232/Prince-Harry-s-love-s-Meghan-Markle-s-mother-smiles-laughter-asked-romance-actress-daughter.html
     (3) http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/unlike-many-lost-tribes-zimbabwe-clan-has-science-on-its-side-1.428836
     (4) http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/750961/Thomas-Markle-who-is-father-Meghan-Prince-Harry-profile-career-facts-age; http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/is-meghan-markle-jewish-the-internet-is-confused/
     (5) Cf. Louis Hyman, 1972, ‘The Jews of Ireland: From the Earliest Times to the Year 1910’, 1st Edition, Israel Universities Press: Jerusalem; Cormac o Grada, 2016, ‘Jewish Ireland in the Age of Joyce: A Socioeconomic History’, 1st Edition, Princeton University Press: Princeton
     (6) http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/is-meghan-markle-jewish-the-internet-is-confused/
     (7) https://forward.com/schmooze/372756/is-meghan-markle-going-to-be-prince-harrys-jewish-princess/

    She may not be Jewish, but she's very Jewy.

    I speculate that crypto-Jews outnumber overt Jews at least 3 to 1.



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    Re: Meghan Markle won't vow to obey husband
    « Reply #13 on: May 20, 2018, 01:37:45 AM »
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  • In the Mozarabic rite there is no promise of obedience in the celebration of marriage.

    Priest: Do you surrender for your husband and husband?
    The husband: Yes, I surrender.

    Priest: Do you receive it for your wife and wife?
    The husband: Yes, I receive it.

    http://www.hispanomozarabe.es/
    What does it mean, "for your husband and husband" and "for your wife and wife?"
    Why not just "for your husband" and "for your wife"?

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    Re: Meghan Markle won't vow to obey husband
    « Reply #14 on: May 20, 2018, 02:24:58 AM »
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  • what your point?  Who cares what they do in a tiny eastern catholic rite.  
    The Mozarabic rite is a western rite that is based on Catholicism as has been practiced since before the Arab invasion of Spain. In the Catholic Church the sacrament of Marriage is based on a mutual giving of the spouses to one another. In all of the Catholic weddings that I have been to I have never heard the words "love honor, and obey." explicitly said. I have only heard that on TV or in the movies when there was a Protestant ceremony.


     

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