Author Topic: Madrid strips Franco of honorary titles (Read 6496 times)

TheD · « **Reply #15 on:** February 28, 2010, 10:08:05 AM »

Quote from: Thomas, Hugh (1961), The Spanish cινιℓ ωαr

Pope Pius XII sent a radio message of congratulation to the Spanish Government, clerics and people on April 16, 1939 The Red Terror in Spain was from the Vatican perspective only one part of a Terrible Triangle of Red Terror, whose goal was the eradication of religion, involving Mexico and the Soviet Union as well. Pope Pius XI complained about Conspiracy of Silence on all Church persecutions. The Red Terror continued in Mexico for about one year, then in 1940 the new President Manuel Ávila Camacho restored the rights of the Church in that country. In the Soviet Union, the terror against religion and the Church was greatly reduced in 1941, after Germany attacked in June 1941. The Soviet persecution resumed however at the end of World War II , when the Soviet Union incorporated former Polish territories with 4.5 million Catholics and arrested over 1000 Catholic priests and archbishop Joseph Slipyi.

Clovis · « **Reply #16 on:** February 28, 2010, 10:08:45 AM »

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It also should be noted that the Catholic Church beatified 498 Martyrs of the Spanish cινιℓ ωαr.

You are not distinguisghing between the anarchist CNT and the legitimate Republican goverment though they did join forces at the desperate end.

TheD · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2010, 10:10:27 AM »

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It also should be noted that the Catholic Church beatified 498 Martyrs of the Spanish cινιℓ ωαr.

You are not distinguisghing between the anarchist CNT and the legitimate Republican goverment though they did join forces at the desperate end.

Read what I posted above.

Clovis · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2010, 10:12:40 AM »

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Quote from: The Spanish cινιℓ ωαr, the Soviet Union, and Communism
Their goal was to use a veil of legitimate democratic institutions to outlaw the right and to convert the state into the Soviet vision of a "people's republic" with total leftist domination, a goal which was repeatedly voiced not only in Comintern instructions but also in the public statements of the PCE (Communist Party of Spain)

The goals of the Republicans were communist.

All the Republicans???

Also that flies in the face of the actual geo-political stratergy of Moscow of that time. Its an assertion and nothing more.

TheD · « **Reply #19 on:** February 28, 2010, 10:14:24 AM »

TheD · « **Reply #20 on:** February 28, 2010, 10:19:04 AM »

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Quote from: The Spanish cινιℓ ωαr, the Soviet Union, and Communism
Their goal was to use a veil of legitimate democratic institutions to outlaw the right and to convert the state into the Soviet vision of a "people's republic" with total leftist domination, a goal which was repeatedly voiced not only in Comintern instructions but also in the public statements of the PCE (Communist Party of Spain)

The goals of the Republicans were communist.

All the Republicans???

Also that flies in the face of the actual geo-political stratergy of Moscow of that time. Its an assertion and nothing more.

The fact that the Soviets wanted to spread communism is not that hard to figure out.

TheD · « **Reply #21 on:** February 28, 2010, 10:20:38 AM »

Quote from: Arms for Spain Gerald Howson

The Soviet Union primarily provided material assistance to the Republican forces. In total the USSR provided Spain with 806 planes, 362 tanks, and 1,555 artillery pieces. The Soviet Union ignored the League of Nations embargo and sold arms to the Republic. Stalin had signed the Non-Intervention Agreement but decided to break the pact.

Clovis · « **Reply #22 on:** February 28, 2010, 10:45:10 AM »

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The fact that the Soviets wanted to spread communism is not that hard to figure out.

No. The Soviets wanted to insure the survial of their own state and were not prepared to risk it in order to spread communism.

If spreading communism got in the way of that ultimate geo-political goal than it was ditched which was one of the reasons for the falling out between the left opposition and the rest of the CP.

Clovis · « **Reply #23 on:** February 28, 2010, 10:47:57 AM »

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Quote from: Arms for Spain Gerald Howson
The Soviet Union primarily provided material assistance to the Republican forces. In total the USSR provided Spain with 806 planes, 362 tanks, and 1,555 artillery pieces. The Soviet Union ignored the League of Nations embargo and sold arms to the Republic. Stalin had signed the Non-Intervention Agreement but decided to break the pact.

Develara's goverment in Ireland also sent military assistance to the beleagured Republic...Are you going to tell me that they were also screaming for the blood of priests and nuns and part of an international ʝʊdɛօ-communist conspiracy?

TheD · « **Reply #24 on:** February 28, 2010, 11:57:53 AM »

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The fact that the Soviets wanted to spread communism is not that hard to figure out.

No. The Soviets wanted to insure the survial of their own state and were not prepared to risk it in order to spread communism.

If spreading communism got in the way of that ultimate geo-political goal than it was ditched which was one of the reasons for the falling out between the left opposition and the rest of the CP.

If you read the quote I posted above than you would know that the Soviets DID send aid to the Republicans.

TheD · « **Reply #25 on:** February 28, 2010, 12:02:58 PM »

roscoe · « **Reply #26 on:** February 28, 2010, 02:31:31 PM »

I cannot believe that there are those in this forum who disdain Gen Franco. Yes he was a republican b4 the SHTF but let's not forget that Pope Leo XIII decided to accept republicanism in France. He came to the inescapable conclusion that the monarchy was beyond revival-- at any rate in France. I have not read Carroll as of yet but would recommend Pattee-- This Is Spain and Lunn-- Spanish Rehearsal(sp?)

Clovis · « **Reply #27 on:** February 28, 2010, 09:46:21 PM »

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The fact that the Soviets wanted to spread communism is not that hard to figure out.

No. The Soviets wanted to insure the survial of their own state and were not prepared to risk it in order to spread communism.

If spreading communism got in the way of that ultimate geo-political goal than it was ditched which was one of the reasons for the falling out between the left opposition and the rest of the CP.

If you read the quote I posted above than you would know that the Soviets DID send aid to the Republicans.

I never denied that fact...I denied that they were attempting to overthrow the Spanish Republic.

The particularly odious neo-pagan who went much further than even the early Bolsheviks in attempting to abolish the family and the Freemason Mussolini aided the Franco-ists...Who were trying to and suceeded in at great human cost overthrowing the legitimate goverment of Spain.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #28 on:** February 28, 2010, 10:36:11 PM »

The Soviets eventually took over the Republican movement. And the non-Soviet part of the Republican movement was composed of priest and nun murdering anarchists. "legitimate government of Spain" that permitted the mass murder of priests and nuns? Says a purported Traditional Catholic?

Belloc · « **Reply #29 on:** March 01, 2010, 07:19:46 AM »

I see the very people Franco defeated are in power again, with the support of the treasonous Juan Carlos, fellow that talked a good game with Franco, but conspired with liberals and leftists behind Franco's back...oh and his wife attends Bilderberger meetings...