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http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSTRE55S5YI20090629
Madrid strips Franco of honorary titles
Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:01pm EDT
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MADRID (Reuters) - Madrid's city hall Monday stripped former Spanish dictator Francisco Franco of his title as honorary mayor and adopted son of the capital, 33 years after his death began the transition to democracy.
Councilors of all political colors unanimously voted to remove the titles, as well as medals Madrid conferred on the right-wing general, a spokesman for the council said.
"The capital of Spain is now clean of support for dictators," left-wing Councilor Milagros Hernandez, was quoted as saying on the website of TV news channel CNN+.
The move is the latest in a effort spearheaded by the Socialist government to remove traces of Franco in street names, statues and other symbols glorifying the dictator who gained power after a three-year cινιℓ ωαr which ended in 1939 and ruled until his death in 1975.
The removals started under a law passed in 2007 by the government of Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, whose grandfather was killed by Franco's forces.
The push reverses an unspoken understanding after Franco's death that his supporters would relinquish power on condition that future democrats would not rake up the past.
Members of the conservative Popular Party have criticized the socialist law for, as they see it, needlessly dragging up the wounds of the past. However, the PP -- which rules the local authority in Madrid -- backed the proposal to strip Franco of the city's honors.
(Reporting by Sarah Morris; editing by Ralph Boulton)
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I was going to post this.
"The push reverses an unspoken understanding after Franco's death that his supporters would relinquish power on condition that future democrats would not rake up the past."
You mean you can't trust communists? Shocking.
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The removals started under a law passed in 2007 by the government of Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, whose grandfather was killed by Franco's forces.
Too bad they didnt get Mr.Zapatero and his father as well.
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Spain has gone downhill since the death of Gen. Franco. Its all thanks to the communist masonic pigs that run the nation now.
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The V2 goons, with their "teachings" and their influence, got Franco to alter the Spanish Constitution, which at the time favored Catholicism the way a rightly-order state should.
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Communism always = :devil2:
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There is no future for Spain. That country is becoming
communist thanks to religious liberties of Vatican 2.
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There is no future for Spain. That country is becoming
communist thanks to religious liberties of Vatican 2.
Dont place your bet yet. Reconquista II is just about to start.
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There is no future for Spain. That country is becoming
communist thanks to religious liberties of Vatican 2.
Have you been to Spain recently?
What exactly do you mean by Communist?
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More commie revisionist history. I.e. more lies on top fo the lies on top of the lies...God Bless Franco and all those who fought for the faith! :detective:
The French Republic brought in quiet draconian laws against the Church in the late 19 th century but none of the hierarchy or any Roman Catholic organizations called for a coup de etat. I am not aware of any laws against religion in the Spanish Republic (yes Im aware that CNT carried out vicious attacks against the faithful and Church property but that is another issue). The early Church prayed for the goverment of the Roman Empire that was actually sending them to the lions. The idea that if we dont like a goverment especially one that allows the practise of religion we can launch coups is radically anti-Christian.
In reality Franco brutally suppressed non-Castillian regional and national cultures (in particular the historically very pious Basques). Used violence against any demands for better wages no matter how just and worst of all brought the Faith and the Church into great disrepute in Spain.
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There is no future for Spain. That country is becoming
communist thanks to religious liberties of Vatican 2.
Dont place your bet yet. Reconquista II is just about to start.
No its not.
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One should also note that after his victory General Franco turned and butchered the Carlists and Falangists his right wing allies during the war too.
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Their goal was to use a veil of legitimate democratic institutions to outlaw the right and to convert the state into the Soviet vision of a "people's republic" with total leftist domination, a goal which was repeatedly voiced not only in Comintern instructions but also in the public statements of the PCE (Communist Party of Spain)
The goals of the Republicans were communist.
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The murder of 37 priests, brothers and seminarians by leftists in Asturias marks what some see as the beginning of the Red Terror.
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May 1931: 100 church buildings are burned while firefighters refuse to extinguish the flames.
1932: 3000 Jesuits expelled. Church buildings burned with impunity in 7 cities.
1934: 33 priests murdered in the Asturias Revolution.
1936: just a day before July 18, the day the war started, there already have been 17 clergymen murdered.
From July 18 to August 1: 861 clergymen murdered in 2 weeks.
August 1936: 2077 clergymen murdered, more than 70 a day. 10 of them bishops.
Septiembre 14: 3400 clergymen murdered during the first stages of the war.
1939: end of the war; a total of 7000 clergymen and 3000 religious people murdered for practicing Catholicism.
It also should be noted that the Catholic Church beatified 498 Martyrs of the Spanish cινιℓ ωαr.
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Pope Pius XII sent a radio message of congratulation to the Spanish Government, clerics and people on April 16, 1939 The Red Terror in Spain was from the Vatican perspective only one part of a Terrible Triangle of Red Terror, whose goal was the eradication of religion, involving Mexico and the Soviet Union as well. Pope Pius XI complained about Conspiracy of Silence on all Church persecutions. The Red Terror continued in Mexico for about one year, then in 1940 the new President Manuel Ávila Camacho restored the rights of the Church in that country. In the Soviet Union, the terror against religion and the Church was greatly reduced in 1941, after Germany attacked in June 1941. The Soviet persecution resumed however at the end of World War II , when the Soviet Union incorporated former Polish territories with 4.5 million Catholics and arrested over 1000 Catholic priests and archbishop Joseph Slipyi.
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It also should be noted that the Catholic Church beatified 498 Martyrs of the Spanish cινιℓ ωαr.
You are not distinguisghing between the anarchist CNT and the legitimate Republican goverment though they did join forces at the desperate end.
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It also should be noted that the Catholic Church beatified 498 Martyrs of the Spanish cινιℓ ωαr.
You are not distinguisghing between the anarchist CNT and the legitimate Republican goverment though they did join forces at the desperate end.
Read what I posted above.
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Their goal was to use a veil of legitimate democratic institutions to outlaw the right and to convert the state into the Soviet vision of a "people's republic" with total leftist domination, a goal which was repeatedly voiced not only in Comintern instructions but also in the public statements of the PCE (Communist Party of Spain)
The goals of the Republicans were communist.
All the Republicans???
Also that flies in the face of the actual geo-political stratergy of Moscow of that time. Its an assertion and nothing more.
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Their goal was to use a veil of legitimate democratic institutions to outlaw the right and to convert the state into the Soviet vision of a "people's republic" with total leftist domination, a goal which was repeatedly voiced not only in Comintern instructions but also in the public statements of the PCE (Communist Party of Spain)
The goals of the Republicans were communist.
All the Republicans???
Also that flies in the face of the actual geo-political stratergy of Moscow of that time. Its an assertion and nothing more.
The fact that the Soviets wanted to spread communism is not that hard to figure out.
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The Soviet Union primarily provided material assistance to the Republican forces. In total the USSR provided Spain with 806 planes, 362 tanks, and 1,555 artillery pieces. The Soviet Union ignored the League of Nations embargo and sold arms to the Republic. Stalin had signed the Non-Intervention Agreement but decided to break the pact.
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The fact that the Soviets wanted to spread communism is not that hard to figure out.
No. The Soviets wanted to insure the survial of their own state and were not prepared to risk it in order to spread communism.
If spreading communism got in the way of that ultimate geo-political goal than it was ditched which was one of the reasons for the falling out between the left opposition and the rest of the CP.
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The Soviet Union primarily provided material assistance to the Republican forces. In total the USSR provided Spain with 806 planes, 362 tanks, and 1,555 artillery pieces. The Soviet Union ignored the League of Nations embargo and sold arms to the Republic. Stalin had signed the Non-Intervention Agreement but decided to break the pact.
Develara's goverment in Ireland also sent military assistance to the beleagured Republic...Are you going to tell me that they were also screaming for the blood of priests and nuns and part of an international ʝʊdɛօ-communist conspiracy?
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The fact that the Soviets wanted to spread communism is not that hard to figure out.
No. The Soviets wanted to insure the survial of their own state and were not prepared to risk it in order to spread communism.
If spreading communism got in the way of that ultimate geo-political goal than it was ditched which was one of the reasons for the falling out between the left opposition and the rest of the CP.
If you read the quote I posted above than you would know that the Soviets DID send aid to the Republicans.
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I cannot believe that there are those in this forum who disdain Gen Franco. Yes he was a republican b4 the SHTF but let's not forget that Pope Leo XIII decided to accept republicanism in France. He came to the inescapable conclusion that the monarchy was beyond revival-- at any rate in France. I have not read Carroll as of yet but would recommend Pattee-- This Is Spain and Lunn-- Spanish Rehearsal(sp?)
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The fact that the Soviets wanted to spread communism is not that hard to figure out.
No. The Soviets wanted to insure the survial of their own state and were not prepared to risk it in order to spread communism.
If spreading communism got in the way of that ultimate geo-political goal than it was ditched which was one of the reasons for the falling out between the left opposition and the rest of the CP.
If you read the quote I posted above than you would know that the Soviets DID send aid to the Republicans.
I never denied that fact...I denied that they were attempting to overthrow the Spanish Republic.
The particularly odious neo-pagan who went much further than even the early Bolsheviks in attempting to abolish the family and the Freemason Mussolini aided the Franco-ists...Who were trying to and suceeded in at great human cost overthrowing the legitimate goverment of Spain.
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The Soviets eventually took over the Republican movement. And the non-Soviet part of the Republican movement was composed of priest and nun murdering anarchists. "legitimate government of Spain" that permitted the mass murder of priests and nuns? Says a purported Traditional Catholic?
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I see the very people Franco defeated are in power again, with the support of the treasonous Juan Carlos, fellow that talked a good game with Franco, but conspired with liberals and leftists behind Franco's back...oh and his wife attends Bilderberger meetings...
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The fact that the Soviets wanted to spread communism is not that hard to figure out.
No. The Soviets wanted to insure the survial of their own state and were not prepared to risk it in order to spread communism.
If spreading communism got in the way of that ultimate geo-political goal than it was ditched which was one of the reasons for the falling out between the left opposition and the rest of the CP.
If you read the quote I posted above than you would know that the Soviets DID send aid to the Republicans.
I never denied that fact...I denied that they were attempting to overthrow the Spanish Republic.
The particularly odious neo-pagan who went much further than even the early Bolsheviks in attempting to abolish the family and the Freemason Mussolini aided the Franco-ists...Who were trying to and suceeded in at great human cost overthrowing the legitimate goverment of Spain.
actually, communism was a means to an end. not the end itself......either it would conquer and bring about the NWO or it would force enough people to accept the move toward the same......either way, the Luciferians gain.........the Church was the only road block left and She is now largely inoperative.....
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I never denied that fact...I denied that they were attempting to overthrow the Spanish Republic.
The particularly odious neo-pagan who went much further than even the early Bolsheviks in attempting to abolish the family and the Freemason Mussolini aided the Franco-ists...Who were trying to and suceeded in at great human cost overthrowing the legitimate goverment of Spain.
Have you ever heard of the "Trotskyites" or "Stalinists"? The majority of Communists didnt want to wait like Stalin did and wanted to move full steam ahead.
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Clovis, any proof MUssolini wa a Freemason?
you do realize that sometimes people aid each other, though very different, right? Also, Franco wa a known anti-Freemason, he was obsessed with stamping them out, rightly so, of course...
so, the Communist/socialists he fought were better than? You do know that marxism was the master baby of Freemasons.
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The Soviet Union primarily provided material assistance to the Republican forces. In total the USSR provided Spain with 806 planes, 362 tanks, and 1,555 artillery pieces. The Soviet Union ignored the League of Nations embargo and sold arms to the Republic. Stalin had signed the Non-Intervention Agreement but decided to break the pact.
Develara's goverment in Ireland also sent military assistance to the beleagured Republic...Are you going to tell me that they were also screaming for the blood of priests and nuns and part of an international ʝʊdɛօ-communist conspiracy?
no, they had their own reasons...often times causes make strange bed-fellows....
most real Traditionalist Catholics supported and continue to support Franco......esp so called SV
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Their goal was to use a veil of legitimate democratic institutions to outlaw the right and to convert the state into the Soviet vision of a "people's republic" with total leftist domination, a goal which was repeatedly voiced not only in Comintern instructions but also in the public statements of the PCE (Communist Party of Spain)
The goals of the Republicans were communist.
All the Republicans???
Also that flies in the face of the actual geo-political stratergy of Moscow of that time. Its an assertion and nothing more.
The fact that the Soviets wanted to spread communism is not that hard to figure out.
true, thats why when Russian cινιℓ ωαr was over and the Whites defeated, they subjugated the Caucus Republics, the Ukraine and even Mongolia....they stopped only due to resources and manpower...they attempted, recall, in 1920 to invade and communize Poland, luckily Pilsudski stopped them..
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The Soviets eventually took over the Republican movement. And the non-Soviet part of the Republican movement was composed of priest and nun murdering anarchists. "legitimate government of Spain" that permitted the mass murder of priests and nuns? Says a purported Traditional Catholic?
colors revealin, no? Franco was , for all his faults, a devote anti-communist Catholic....and strongly anti-freemason....yet to hear proof that Mussolini was a freemason.....adly, Franco did not initiate a corportist Catholic state.....and trusted Opus Dei way too much....
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Clovis, any proof MUssolini wa a Freemason?
you do realize that sometimes people aid each other, though very different, right? Also, Franco wa a known anti-Freemason, he was obsessed with stamping them out, rightly so, of course...
so, the Communist/socialists he fought were better than? You do know that marxism was the master baby of Freemasons.
You do realise that Mussolini was a fairly high ranking member of Italian Socialist Party faction that was considered to be the Freemasons club? Bordiga who was himself an absolute psychopath fought against them on those grounds (which just goes to show that everyone is anti-Masonic isnt necessarily a good guy).
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Clovis, any proof MUssolini wa a Freemason?
you do realize that sometimes people aid each other, though very different, right? Also, Franco wa a known anti-Freemason, he was obsessed with stamping them out, rightly so, of course...
so, the Communist/socialists he fought were better than? You do know that marxism was the master baby of Freemasons.
Do I think that the vast majiority of the Spanish people who voted for the Popular Front were evil God-hating satanists filled with blood lust? No I dont.
A lot of things in this world can be called the baby of Freemasons...Maybe the US consitution? There is very, very hard evidence that the many of the founding fathers of the USA were Freemasons..Does that make me believe that all members of the Consitution Party over there are basically satanists? No it doesnt.
Why do you think the vast majiority of Spanish people (most of whom were practising believing Catholics) voted for the Popular Front?
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no, they had their own reasons...often times causes make strange bed-fellows....
most real Traditionalist Catholics supported and continue to support Franco......esp so called SV
Yes they do make strange bed fellows...And acknowledging that fact should make you try to understand why Spanish and Basque RCs fought beside Communists against the fascist hordes.
I fail to see what believing that the we all fell in Adam and our redeemed only by Christ (which is why Im SV) has to do with this issue.
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Clovis, any proof MUssolini wa a Freemason?
you do realize that sometimes people aid each other, though very different, right? Also, Franco wa a known anti-Freemason, he was obsessed with stamping them out, rightly so, of course...
so, the Communist/socialists he fought were better than? You do know that marxism was the master baby of Freemasons.
You do realise that Mussolini was a fairly high ranking member of Italian Socialist Party faction that was considered to be the Freemasons club? Bordiga who was himself an absolute psychopath fought against them on those grounds (which just goes to show that everyone is anti-Masonic isnt necessarily a good guy).
What do make of Mussolini's relationship with Baron Julius Evola? I dont believe "magic" or "occultism" is okay just because its rightwing.
Left and Right doesnt equal good or bad...Evil can and does come from both sides.
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Mussolini was just a stooge-- executed when he was of no further use. :sheep:
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Clovis, any proof MUssolini wa a Freemason?
you do realize that sometimes people aid each other, though very different, right? Also, Franco wa a known anti-Freemason, he was obsessed with stamping them out, rightly so, of course...
so, the Communist/socialists he fought were better than? You do know that marxism was the master baby of Freemasons.
(which just goes to show that everyone is anti-Masonic isnt necessarily a good guy).
Yhat dosent mean we should support communism and were talking about Franco NOT Mussolini.
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Clovis, any proof MUssolini wa a Freemason?
you do realize that sometimes people aid each other, though very different, right? Also, Franco wa a known anti-Freemason, he was obsessed with stamping them out, rightly so, of course...
so, the Communist/socialists he fought were better than? You do know that marxism was the master baby of Freemasons.
Do I think that the vast majiority of the Spanish people who voted for the Popular Front were evil God-hating satanists filled with blood lust? No I dont.
A lot of things in this world can be called the baby of Freemasons...Maybe the US consitution? There is very, very hard evidence that the many of the founding fathers of the USA were Freemasons..Does that make me believe that all members of the Consitution Party over there are basically satanists? No it doesnt.
Why do you think the vast majiority of Spanish people (most of whom were practising believing Catholics) voted for the Popular Front?
So what if the 'majority' voted for the popular front. Most "Catholics" in my town think abortion is ok. The "majority" isn't always right. The US government has been Masonic controlled from the beginning and the constitution party is not part of the mainstream government though there are some masons in it, it is not to the extent of the two main parties.
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no, they had their own reasons...often times causes make strange bed-fellows....
most real Traditionalist Catholics supported and continue to support Franco......esp so called SV
Yes they do make strange bed fellows...And acknowledging that fact should make you try to understand why Spanish and Basque RCs fought beside Communists against the fascist hordes.
I fail to see what believing that the we all fell in Adam and our redeemed only by Christ (which is why Im SV) has to do with this issue.
The Basques were probably manipulated by the communists as they did with other groups.
Even some protestants believe we are redeemed only by Christ. Politics and religion can NOT be separated, nor are they separate issues, almost every Trad believes that.
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Many of Franco's soldiers were Basque, so I dont know what the heck Clovis is talking about. :scratchchin:
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The war was messier than what is often portrayed on the surface....
actually, some Catholic think the USA is Gods new City on the Hill
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The Carlist pretender to the Spanish throne, Don Sixto Enrique de Borbón-Parma (Sixte-Henri de Bourbon-Parme) (b. 1941), who is also claimant to the throne of the Kingdom of France, is a traditionalist Roman Catholic and follower of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. (He is officially second in line, but his older brother Carlos-Hugo who married Princess Irene of the Netherlands and since has divorced, after 1967 became a Marxist and his former wife promoted condoms and now ecology. Sixto Enrique was afterwards recognized as successor to the throne of Spain by his father and especially by his mother.)
Long live the rightful heir to the Spainish and French thrones: KING Don Sixto Enrique de Borbón-Parma!!!!
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Thank U D as I have been wondering who the true king of Spain is at this time. France however has formally abolished the monarchy( with the consent of Pope Leo).
Re Basques and Franco-- some were with him and some against.
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The Carlist pretender to the Spanish throne, Don Sixto Enrique de Borbón-Parma (Sixte-Henri de Bourbon-Parme) (b. 1941), who is also claimant to the throne of the Kingdom of France, is a traditionalist Roman Catholic and follower of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. (He is officially second in line, but his older brother Carlos-Hugo who married Princess Irene of the Netherlands and since has divorced, after 1967 became a Marxist and his former wife promoted condoms and now ecology. Sixto Enrique was afterwards recognized as successor to the throne of Spain by his father and especially by his mother.)
Long live the rightful heir to the Spainish and French thrones: KING Don Sixto Enrique de Borbón-Parma!!!!
Viva! Viva! Viva!
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SPAIN, March 5, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The King of Spain, Juan Carlos I, has signed a bill into law legalizing abortion on demand for the first fourteen weeks of pregnancy.
May he and his Buddhist queen Sophia suffer the fate of Trotsky for their fraud and treason against God and Spain.