Author Topic: Madrid strips Franco of honorary titles (Read 6506 times)

Belloc · « **Reply #30 on:** March 01, 2010, 07:21:51 AM »

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The fact that the Soviets wanted to spread communism is not that hard to figure out.

No. The Soviets wanted to insure the survial of their own state and were not prepared to risk it in order to spread communism.

If spreading communism got in the way of that ultimate geo-political goal than it was ditched which was one of the reasons for the falling out between the left opposition and the rest of the CP.

If you read the quote I posted above than you would know that the Soviets DID send aid to the Republicans.

I never denied that fact...I denied that they were attempting to overthrow the Spanish Republic.

The particularly odious neo-pagan who went much further than even the early Bolsheviks in attempting to abolish the family and the Freemason Mussolini aided the Franco-ists...Who were trying to and suceeded in at great human cost overthrowing the legitimate goverment of Spain.

actually, communism was a means to an end. not the end itself......either it would conquer and bring about the NWO or it would force enough people to accept the move toward the same......either way, the Luciferians gain.........the Church was the only road block left and She is now largely inoperative.....

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #31 on:** March 01, 2010, 08:55:49 PM »

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I never denied that fact...I denied that they were attempting to overthrow the Spanish Republic.

The particularly odious neo-pagan who went much further than even the early Bolsheviks in attempting to abolish the family and the Freemason Mussolini aided the Franco-ists...Who were trying to and suceeded in at great human cost overthrowing the legitimate goverment of Spain.

Have you ever heard of the "Trotskyites" or "Stalinists"? The majority of Communists didnt want to wait like Stalin did and wanted to move full steam ahead.

Belloc · « **Reply #32 on:** March 02, 2010, 07:17:03 AM »

Clovis, any proof MUssolini wa a Freemason?

you do realize that sometimes people aid each other, though very different, right? Also, Franco wa a known anti-Freemason, he was obsessed with stamping them out, rightly so, of course...

so, the Communist/socialists he fought were better than? You do know that marxism was the master baby of Freemasons.

Belloc · « **Reply #33 on:** March 02, 2010, 07:18:21 AM »

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The Soviet Union primarily provided material assistance to the Republican forces. In total the USSR provided Spain with 806 planes, 362 tanks, and 1,555 artillery pieces. The Soviet Union ignored the League of Nations embargo and sold arms to the Republic. Stalin had signed the Non-Intervention Agreement but decided to break the pact.

Develara's goverment in Ireland also sent military assistance to the beleagured Republic...Are you going to tell me that they were also screaming for the blood of priests and nuns and part of an international ʝʊdɛօ-communist conspiracy?

no, they had their own reasons...often times causes make strange bed-fellows....

most real Traditionalist Catholics supported and continue to support Franco......esp so called SV

Belloc · « **Reply #34 on:** March 02, 2010, 07:20:12 AM »

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Their goal was to use a veil of legitimate democratic institutions to outlaw the right and to convert the state into the Soviet vision of a "people's republic" with total leftist domination, a goal which was repeatedly voiced not only in Comintern instructions but also in the public statements of the PCE (Communist Party of Spain)

The goals of the Republicans were communist.

All the Republicans???

Also that flies in the face of the actual geo-political stratergy of Moscow of that time. Its an assertion and nothing more.

The fact that the Soviets wanted to spread communism is not that hard to figure out.

true, thats why when Russian cινιℓ ωαr was over and the Whites defeated, they subjugated the Caucus Republics, the Ukraine and even Mongolia....they stopped only due to resources and manpower...they attempted, recall, in 1920 to invade and communize Poland, luckily Pilsudski stopped them..

Belloc · « **Reply #35 on:** March 02, 2010, 07:21:45 AM »

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The Soviets eventually took over the Republican movement. And the non-Soviet part of the Republican movement was composed of priest and nun murdering anarchists. "legitimate government of Spain" that permitted the mass murder of priests and nuns? Says a purported Traditional Catholic?

colors revealin, no? Franco was , for all his faults, a devote anti-communist Catholic....and strongly anti-freemason....yet to hear proof that Mussolini was a freemason.....adly, Franco did not initiate a corportist Catholic state.....and trusted Opus Dei way too much....

Clovis · « **Reply #36 on:** March 02, 2010, 10:46:03 PM »

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Clovis, any proof MUssolini wa a Freemason?

you do realize that sometimes people aid each other, though very different, right? Also, Franco wa a known anti-Freemason, he was obsessed with stamping them out, rightly so, of course...

so, the Communist/socialists he fought were better than? You do know that marxism was the master baby of Freemasons.

You do realise that Mussolini was a fairly high ranking member of Italian Socialist Party faction that was considered to be the Freemasons club? Bordiga who was himself an absolute psychopath fought against them on those grounds (which just goes to show that everyone is anti-Masonic isnt necessarily a good guy).

Clovis · « **Reply #37 on:** March 02, 2010, 10:51:23 PM »

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Clovis, any proof MUssolini wa a Freemason?

you do realize that sometimes people aid each other, though very different, right? Also, Franco wa a known anti-Freemason, he was obsessed with stamping them out, rightly so, of course...

so, the Communist/socialists he fought were better than? You do know that marxism was the master baby of Freemasons.

Do I think that the vast majiority of the Spanish people who voted for the Popular Front were evil God-hating satanists filled with blood lust? No I dont.

A lot of things in this world can be called the baby of Freemasons...Maybe the US consitution? There is very, very hard evidence that the many of the founding fathers of the USA were Freemasons..Does that make me believe that all members of the Consitution Party over there are basically satanists? No it doesnt.

Why do you think the vast majiority of Spanish people (most of whom were practising believing Catholics) voted for the Popular Front?

Clovis · « **Reply #38 on:** March 02, 2010, 10:56:57 PM »

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no, they had their own reasons...often times causes make strange bed-fellows....

most real Traditionalist Catholics supported and continue to support Franco......esp so called SV

Yes they do make strange bed fellows...And acknowledging that fact should make you try to understand why Spanish and Basque RCs fought beside Communists against the fascist hordes.

I fail to see what believing that the we all fell in Adam and our redeemed only by Christ (which is why Im SV) has to do with this issue.

Clovis · « **Reply #39 on:** March 02, 2010, 11:01:37 PM »

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Clovis, any proof MUssolini wa a Freemason?

you do realize that sometimes people aid each other, though very different, right? Also, Franco wa a known anti-Freemason, he was obsessed with stamping them out, rightly so, of course...

so, the Communist/socialists he fought were better than? You do know that marxism was the master baby of Freemasons.

You do realise that Mussolini was a fairly high ranking member of Italian Socialist Party faction that was considered to be the Freemasons club? Bordiga who was himself an absolute psychopath fought against them on those grounds (which just goes to show that everyone is anti-Masonic isnt necessarily a good guy).

What do make of Mussolini's relationship with Baron Julius Evola? I dont believe "magic" or "occultism" is okay just because its rightwing.

Left and Right doesnt equal good or bad...Evil can and does come from both sides.

roscoe · « **Reply #40 on:** March 03, 2010, 12:19:54 AM »

Mussolini was just a stooge-- executed when he was of no further use. :sheep:

TheD · « **Reply #41 on:** March 03, 2010, 07:30:27 AM »

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Clovis, any proof MUssolini wa a Freemason?

you do realize that sometimes people aid each other, though very different, right? Also, Franco wa a known anti-Freemason, he was obsessed with stamping them out, rightly so, of course...

so, the Communist/socialists he fought were better than? You do know that marxism was the master baby of Freemasons.

(which just goes to show that everyone is anti-Masonic isnt necessarily a good guy).

Yhat dosent mean we should support communism and were talking about Franco NOT Mussolini.

TheD · « **Reply #42 on:** March 03, 2010, 07:35:24 AM »

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Clovis, any proof MUssolini wa a Freemason?

you do realize that sometimes people aid each other, though very different, right? Also, Franco wa a known anti-Freemason, he was obsessed with stamping them out, rightly so, of course...

so, the Communist/socialists he fought were better than? You do know that marxism was the master baby of Freemasons.

Do I think that the vast majiority of the Spanish people who voted for the Popular Front were evil God-hating satanists filled with blood lust? No I dont.

A lot of things in this world can be called the baby of Freemasons...Maybe the US consitution? There is very, very hard evidence that the many of the founding fathers of the USA were Freemasons..Does that make me believe that all members of the Consitution Party over there are basically satanists? No it doesnt.

Why do you think the vast majiority of Spanish people (most of whom were practising believing Catholics) voted for the Popular Front?

So what if the 'majority' voted for the popular front. Most "Catholics" in my town think abortion is ok. The "majority" isn't always right. The US government has been Masonic controlled from the beginning and the constitution party is not part of the mainstream government though there are some masons in it, it is not to the extent of the two main parties.

TheD · « **Reply #43 on:** March 03, 2010, 07:39:52 AM »

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no, they had their own reasons...often times causes make strange bed-fellows....

most real Traditionalist Catholics supported and continue to support Franco......esp so called SV

Yes they do make strange bed fellows...And acknowledging that fact should make you try to understand why Spanish and Basque RCs fought beside Communists against the fascist hordes.

I fail to see what believing that the we all fell in Adam and our redeemed only by Christ (which is why Im SV) has to do with this issue.

The Basques were probably manipulated by the communists as they did with other groups.
Even some protestants believe we are redeemed only by Christ. Politics and religion can NOT be separated, nor are they separate issues, almost every Trad believes that.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #44 on:** March 04, 2010, 01:24:17 PM »

Many of Franco's soldiers were Basque, so I dont know what the heck Clovis is talking about. :scratchchin: