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Kenny is dragging Fine Gael into a kamikaze mission on abortion
« on: February 21, 2013, 06:52:26 AM »
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  • http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-kenny-is-dragging-fine-gael-into-a-kamikaze-mission-on-abortion-802483-Feb2013/
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    A SECOND OPINION poll in rapid succession has shown that public support for Fine Gael is now on a downward spiral, and that the party has now been overtaken by Fianna Fáil.

    The figures are startling: Fine Gael, who almost won an overall majority in 2011, have now crashed to 25 per cent in the polls. Satisfaction with the government is at a miserable 18 per cent, and Enda Kenny has sunk to a satisfaction rating of 29 per cent.

    The party faithful may well feel that they are being hammered for making difficult decisions during an unprecedented recession.
    Electoral pledges

    But Fine Gael needs to realise that they are also making bad choices – and those choices are losing them vital support. At a time of unprecedented economic crisis in Ireland, Enda Kenny’s big idea for the country has been to propose the legalisation of abortion.

    In doing so he is dragging Fine Gael into a kamikaze mission which will permanently crash and burn the party for many motivated and highly engaged voters. Fine Gael explicitly promised supporters in Election 2011 that they would not legislate for abortion, and voters remember electoral pledges.
    The party’s strategists will be frantically reviewing these polls, which show that Fine Gael could lose almost 40 seats if the decline continues.

    In order to pull back from a course of self-destruction, they will need to identify exactly what factors are losing the party votes. And the evidence shows that one of those factors is abortion.

    Commenting on one recent poll, Damian Loscher of Ipsos MRBI listed abortion proposals as one cause for a fall in support for Fine Gael amongst key voters.
    That revelation came on the heels of a finding in an earlier poll by Behaviour and Attitudes which showed that support for abortion propositions was highest among Labour party supporters, but lowest among Fine Gael voters at just 42 per cent. Kenny is not listening to his base on the issue of the sanctity of human life. And that brings us to the crux of this matter.

    On this issue, Enda Kenny is letting Labour be the tail that wags the dog.
    Labour is calling the shots

    Labour is pushing hard for this government to legalise abortion. Despite the serious and persistent misgivings of many Fine Gael TDs and Senators, the Taoiseach is allowing Labour to call the shots on an issue that not only divides the nation, but has the potential to split Kenny’s party in two. It appears that the pilot has lost control of the plane.

    Ceding that control to Labour (which has also crashed in the polls) means Enda Kenny is dragging Fine Gael into an unnecessary political and cultural conflict. Younger and more outspoken Fine Gael TDs and Senators are opposed to the legalisation of abortion. Junior Minister Lucinda Creighton has publicly expressed serious concern on an almost weekly basis on the issue.
    Meanwhile, voters have become energised and motivated in response to Fine Gael’s proposal to legalise abortion in Ireland.

    Within just three weeks, some 32,000 voters have signed a pledge never to vote for Fine Gael again if the party introduces abortion. More than a 1,000 people are continuing to sign every day – and these are votes that Fine Gael cannot afford to lose.

    Enda Kenny should look to the man whose party has now overtaken him in the polls. Fianna Fáil leader, Micheál Martin, last week told TheJournal.ie that his party ‘had issues’ with the inclusion of ѕυιcιdє as a ground for abortion.
    Abortion a major concern

    Martin, unlike Kenny, has experience of being burned by misreading the Irish electorate on this issue. During the first referendum on the Lisbon treaty, abortion became a major concern for voters. The government at the time misread the signs and underestimated just how widespread those concerns were.
    The country voted No to Lisbon. Research undertaken by Millward Brown showed that 66 per cent of No voters were either somewhat or very concerned about the potential for the EU to interfere in Ireland’s pro-life laws. The electorate did not want abortion legalised in Ireland.

    Now a Fine Gael-led government is looking at a proposal to legalise abortion on ѕυιcιdє grounds. John Bruton, the former Fine Gael leader – and a former Taoiseach – has publicly opposed the proposal; a public relations nightmare for Enda Kenny at a time when the party is already sinking fast.
    Perhaps Bruton can see that the numbers for Fine Gael are going to get worse if they continue on this course of self-destruction. Enda Kenny needs to pull back from this kamikaze mission on abortion, or face the consequences within his own party.

    Niamh Ui Bhriain is a spokesperson for the Life Institute.


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    Kenny is dragging Fine Gael into a kamikaze mission on abortion
    « Reply #1 on: February 21, 2013, 07:08:35 AM »
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  • Whilst I commend Niamh Ui Bhriain, I do disagree with her respectfully. I will out line my points.


    Firstly, I won't be signing the pro-life pledge. She is getting nasty comments in the comment section below the article on thejournal.ie. Whilst abortion is quite rightly an issue, other issues have made Fine Gael/Labour unpopular.

    I won't sign the pro-life pledge as I find petitions naive and waste of time. One can only debate and argue about abortion to a degree.  Show people the truth of abortion.

    In relation to Lucinda Creighton, she might be 'pro-life' but we must ask what about Irish soldiers being deployed to Mali or an Irish airport being used by the Yankee war machine? In Mali the French are fighting Islamists whilst funding them in Syria.

    I realise she is representing the Life Institute and a single issue.

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    On this issue, Enda Kenny is letting Labour be the tail that wags the dog.
    Labour is calling the shots


    With respect to Niamh, Enda Kenny, a traitor is a mere puppet to International Financiers, who enslave people and Nations through debt. Debt,property tax etc etc are mentioned in thejournal.ie comments.

    I feel the Life Institute are keeping themselves on the reservation. In Ireland people are looking beyond the party system, it's rubbish to believe Fianna Fail are coming back. Who believes that?

    There is no doubt Fine Gael/Labour are imploding and God willing these traitors explode but Ireland is very much an oligarchy.


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    Kenny is dragging Fine Gael into a kamikaze mission on abortion
    « Reply #2 on: February 21, 2013, 07:12:47 AM »
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    Fianna Fáil leader, Micheál Martin, last week told TheJournal.ie that his party ‘had issues’ with the inclusion of ѕυιcιdє as a ground for abortion.
    Abortion a major concern


    Only last week Micheál Martin stated  “They have the option of the morning after pill these days” so hardly a 'pro-lifer' . All he is after is the vote.

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    Kenny is dragging Fine Gael into a kamikaze mission on abortion
    « Reply #3 on: February 21, 2013, 07:27:26 AM »
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  • And as one, who is for Palestine, I was disappointed to see Niamh on the Mike Huckabee Show. Have the Life Institute a position on the boycott of Israeli goods and the massacre of the Palestinians? It raises valid questions. To be fair last year, you had palestinian and Muslim  women at the pro-life rally in Dublin so positive.

    Activists will come together for events like the Vigil for Life but tend to do their own the rest of the year.

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    Kenny is dragging Fine Gael into a kamikaze mission on abortion
    « Reply #4 on: February 21, 2013, 07:33:11 AM »
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  •  its not unreasonable to disagree with niamh ui bhriain , abortion is single issue for most prolife people, and i will sign anything that i am asked to, towards this end, and i also commend niamh, and her family, who have spearheaded the fight against abortion in ireland. while there were other groups fighting, they brought the fight to young people, and galvanised them into action, and i truly believe, without them, and youth defence, the battle would have over long ago,


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    « Reply #5 on: February 21, 2013, 07:34:13 AM »
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  • To balance and to give credit where due, Niamh  Ui Bhriain is a militant and it radicalism we need. Shame if people keep themselves on the reservation with 'pro-life pledges'.

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    Kenny is dragging Fine Gael into a kamikaze mission on abortion
    « Reply #6 on: February 21, 2013, 08:08:38 AM »
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  • Quote from: stgobnait
    its not unreasonable to disagree with niamh ui bhriain , abortion is single issue for most prolife people, and i will sign anything that i am asked to, towards this end, and i also commend niamh, and her family, who have spearheaded the fight against abortion in ireland. while there were other groups fighting, they brought the fight to young people, and galvanised them into action, and i truly believe, without them, and youth defence, the battle would have over long ago,


    I agree with regard Niamh and the family. As I said before I find YD too politically correct and are less radical.

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    Kenny is dragging Fine Gael into a kamikaze mission on abortion
    « Reply #7 on: February 21, 2013, 08:15:46 AM »
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  • http://catholicmaynooth.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/have-youth-defence-changed/
    Have Youth Defence Changed????
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    Posted on April 14, 2011

    You may have heard of Youth Defence, they are a prolife group here in Ireland and in past years you may have heard different things about youth defence, which were mainly negative, well in recent months I have seen Youth Defence popping up in different places like on EWTN’s Programme, Life on the Rock and also from a talk here on campus two days ago where a doctor who was a Member of Youth Defence gave a talk along with Fr John hαɾɾιs O.P,

    I have to say after speaking to them and seeing the life on the rock on EWTN, I am not seeing what I have experience from members of Youth Defence, in the past. In fact these people were brilliant and surprised me and has made me look again at Youth Defence and their work. Yes they do have some radical members, but this seems to be a very small minority.

    In these changing times in Ireland where the prolife message is getting suppress I feel it is now time as Catholics to re look at organisations like these and see that they are not militant and support them, as this cause is important for the future of Ireland.

    There are many ways to get involved in Prolife work, the easiest way is probably to join the prolife Soc on campus although not members of Youth Denfence this is great way of getting involved at campus level in spreading the message of life.

    So let us have the courage as Catholics to stand up for life




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    Kenny is dragging Fine Gael into a kamikaze mission on abortion
    « Reply #8 on: February 21, 2013, 08:22:52 AM »
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  • The earlier days of Youth Defence were very pro-SSPX, Tradition. The newer generation are very much JPII/New evangelisation, Steubenville, World Youth Day orientated. Even 'Fr.' Stan Fortuna  was a guest speaker at their World Youth Day events.

    Our role as Trads is to "tradify".

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    « Reply #9 on: February 21, 2013, 08:51:33 AM »
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  • We are living in interesting times for certain. Long term I see the resistance having a big impact. I shall continue on the resistance thread.

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    Kenny is dragging Fine Gael into a kamikaze mission on abortion
    « Reply #10 on: February 21, 2013, 09:01:02 AM »
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  • yes you are cprrect on the 'new' direction of YD.but we welcome people from all directions to fight abortion. By and large, people choose their battles, and the majority veiw abortion in the abstract, and not the brutal slaughter of innocents that it is.... it was ever thus.....


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    « Reply #11 on: February 21, 2013, 09:11:31 AM »
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    and the majority veiw abortion in the abstract, and not the brutal slaughter of innocents that it is.... it was ever thus.....


    The reality is it is a win for Capitalism. Most politicians know well that abortion is the brutal murder of the innocent. The abortion industry is so sick and with an eye on making money does not allow the aborted child to go to waste. Many are dumped but what about aborted material in pharmaceutical companies and cosmetic manufacturers.

    Whilst on the topic of abortion, I have started reading "Abandoned: The Untold Story of the Abortion Wars" by Monica Migliorino Miller.

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    Kenny is dragging Fine Gael into a kamikaze mission on abortion
    « Reply #12 on: February 21, 2013, 09:25:53 AM »
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  • I spoke to a young woman at length who had an abortion about 18 months ago in New York State.   She was made to sign papers giving her approval that her second trimester child....could be sold for research or consumer goods based upon the decision of the clinic. Yes, this was done on a clinic and she was sent home the same day...nice...they really care about women...sad because this woman knew that her child was a girl.  I do not know how women could ever consider killing their child but......................................she did.

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    « Reply #13 on: February 21, 2013, 10:47:36 AM »
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  • A good comment here at thejournal.ie

    'Self interest' is the world of the politician. They will say anything to get elected. This comment is good as many in FG/Lab will retire at the next election on a good pension.

    Also a significant number of Irish people do not vote at general elections. Nothing foolish about that. Who is naive to believe power is wielded in parliament?

    I didn't vote in the General election in 2011.


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    They’re across the line on pensions, so the cabinet don’t care and will do what they like now. They know they won’t be re-elected, will retire and laugh all the way to the bank!

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    « Reply #14 on: February 21, 2013, 10:52:17 AM »
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  • Good comment here too.

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    Fine Gael, and their champagne socialist friends, have proven to have been even more arrogant than their predecessors , directly breaking innumerable promises, engaging in egregious cronyism, with the Health Minister even refusing to answer questions in parliamentary sessions on the allocation of care centres, leading to official complaints, cutting back, closing down, selling off state assets, burning taxpayers instead of bondholders; and even having the disgusting arrogance to justify their betrayals with Rabbite declaring more or less that elections promises are just fodder to fool the masses, designed to be broken.
    Now they are planning to break a solemn, written commitment of the most serious kind, for the first time, planning on permitting the intentional killing of the most defenceless on Irish soil.
    Well, when you sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind, and that’s what Fine Gael will receive.