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Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Hatchc on June 21, 2013, 10:36:52 PM
So in my reading about various powerful nations in Europe in the last 500 years I've noticed a recurring cycle:

The Jews come in large numbers, the nation experiences the greatest power it has ever known, the Jews leave (or are expelled), and then the nation goes back to having a normal amount of power.

Isn't it true that the Dutch, the Spanish, the Portuguese, the English, and now the Americans have achieved their greatest power when Jews were at the helm?

Any powerful European nations in the last 500 years that were not controlled by Jews, at least by proxy?
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: PereJoseph on June 21, 2013, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: Hatchc
Any powerful European nations in the last 500 years that were not controlled by Jews, at least by proxy?


The Kingdom of France and the Russian Empire.  Spain actually peaked in power precisely after the Jews were expelled.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Hatchc on June 21, 2013, 10:56:46 PM
What about the Austro-Hungarian empire?
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: PereJoseph on June 21, 2013, 11:11:52 PM
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What about the Austro-Hungarian empire?


Comfortably in the Jewish grip.  All of the major industrial centers in Austria-Hungary were run by Jews, especially Budapest.  Hungarian cities in the old days -- before the mass Jewish deportation during WWII and emigration from afterwards -- were wantonly dominated by Jews.  Incidentally, most of the major Polish cities of note were also almost entirely run by Jews.  Mayer Amschel Rothschild was actually given his baronial title posthumously by Francis I of Austria, the founder of the entity known as the Austrian Empire, which eventually became the Austro-Hungarian Empire through the Augsleich (Compromise) of 1867.  It was full of Freemasons, too.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Telesphorus on June 22, 2013, 01:44:20 AM
Quote from: Hatchc
What about the Austro-Hungarian empire?


There weren't many Jews in Vienna until the latter half of the 19th Century.

The Jews ruined the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

http://archive.org/details/IsraelDestructeurDEmpires
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: TheKnightVigilant on June 22, 2013, 03:54:53 AM
It's not only the case in Europe - the great Asian powers of the industrial age were also totally in the hands of the Jews. I'm thinking in particular of the Japanese empire and individuals like Jacob Schiff, or Mao Zedong and his good friends Israel Epstein, Sidney Shapiro, Frank Coe, Solomon Adler.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Hatchc on June 22, 2013, 11:23:28 AM
Quote from: Telesphorus
Quote from: Hatchc
What about the Austro-Hungarian empire?


There weren't many Jews in Vienna until the latter half of the 19th Century.

The Jews ruined the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

http://archive.org/details/IsraelDestructeurDEmpires


I wish somebody would translate this.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Hatchc on June 22, 2013, 11:27:57 AM
Going farther back, the Byzantine Empire. Any thoughts? I've read that the Byzantines did a magnificent job of keeping the Jews out of power by barring them from education, politics and finance. They didn't slaughter them or expel them.

Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Kreuzritter1945 on June 22, 2013, 12:36:08 PM
Quote from: PereJoseph
Quote from: Hatchc
Any powerful European nations in the last 500 years that were not controlled by Jews, at least by proxy?


The Kingdom of France and the Russian Empire.  Spain actually peaked in power precisely after the Jews were expelled.


What about National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy?
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Kreuzritter1945 on June 22, 2013, 12:37:34 PM
Quote from: Hatchc
So in my reading about various powerful nations in Europe in the last 500 years I've noticed a recurring cycle:

The Jews come in large numbers, the nation experiences the greatest power it has ever known, the Jews leave (or are expelled), and then the nation goes back to having a normal amount of power.

Isn't it true that the Dutch, the Spanish, the Portuguese, the English, and now the Americans have achieved their greatest power when Jews were at the helm?

Any powerful European nations in the last 500 years that were not controlled by Jews, at least by proxy?


Quite a few Jews 'converted' so there were still powerful Jews in those countries.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Hatchc on June 22, 2013, 12:50:16 PM
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Quote from: PereJoseph
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Any powerful European nations in the last 500 years that were not controlled by Jews, at least by proxy?


The Kingdom of France and the Russian Empire.  Spain actually peaked in power precisely after the Jews were expelled.


What about National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy?


Good point!

Do you think there's anything to the theory that Hitler was a tool of the Jews?
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Kreuzritter1945 on June 22, 2013, 01:10:33 PM
No, I don't think Hitler was a tool of the Jews. NS Germany fought against Bolshevism, Capitalism, Freemasonry etc. They all were very pro-jewish. I have heard some claims that he was, but the people who claim that also believe in the Holocaust and say that he killed them all so that Jews could get a homeland, Israel.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Kreuzritter1945 on June 22, 2013, 01:16:10 PM
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No, I don't think Hitler was a tool of the Jews. NS Germany fought against Bolshevism, Capitalism, Freemasonry etc. They all were very pro-jewish. I have heard some claims that he was, but the people who claim that also believe in the Holocaust and say that he killed 6 million Jews so that Jews could get a homeland, Israel.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: PereJoseph on June 22, 2013, 01:16:31 PM
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Any powerful European nations in the last 500 years that were not controlled by Jews, at least by proxy?


The Kingdom of France and the Russian Empire.  Spain actually peaked in power precisely after the Jews were expelled.


What about National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy?


How long did their power last again ?  I assumed the questioner was looking for countries that were powerful for a decent amount of time, such as, at the very least, more than one generation.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Hatchc on June 22, 2013, 01:40:08 PM
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Quote from: Kreuzritter1945
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Any powerful European nations in the last 500 years that were not controlled by Jews, at least by proxy?


The Kingdom of France and the Russian Empire.  Spain actually peaked in power precisely after the Jews were expelled.


What about National Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy?


How long did their power last again ?  I assumed the questioner was looking for countries that were powerful for a decent amount of time, such as, at the very least, more than one generation.


They were brief and bright flashes of independence from Jewry, it's true.

But they count.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Donachie on June 22, 2013, 02:35:17 PM
Quote from: Hatchc
So in my reading about various powerful nations in Europe in the last 500 years I've noticed a recurring cycle:

The Jews come in large numbers, the nation experiences the greatest power it has ever known, the Jews leave (or are expelled), and then the nation goes back to having a normal amount of power.

Isn't it true that the Dutch, the Spanish, the Portuguese, the English, and now the Americans have achieved their greatest power when Jews were at the helm?

Any powerful European nations in the last 500 years that were not controlled by Jews, at least by proxy?


I don't agree with this thesis. Jews weaken a Christian nation. They do not strengthen it. The Talmud says Jews are to weaken and subvert and even destroy Christian nations whenever possible not strengthen them.

The Jews were marginalized in ghettos until the French Revolution. Prior to the French Revolution they had made progress in Protestant England after Cromwell and the Inglorious Revolution of 1688, and in the Calvinist Dutch republics where they helped originate the first stock exchanges and favored iconoclasm.

According to some historians, Calvin was Jew, original name Cohen, or French Cauin.

Russia was powerful when it kept the Jews segregated and out of the loop. Russia was destroyed by Jews with the communist revolution.

The "U.S.A." has been completely undermined by Jews until today it stands over its own fall and ruin.

imo, the Jewish world power began to make its modern ascent after the Napoleonic Wars, and Napoleon wrecked France and Europe.

WW I and WW II and the UN '45 and "Israel" '48, and here we are ... a total moral and economic wreck watching TV and the media tell lie after lie ... day after day.

The Jews don't strengthen anybody, imo, unless people feel empowered by deception. The abortion industry and porn culture are quite well today thanks to the Jews. Who did you think was making most of the money on that anyway?

Where Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden find sacred ground, common sense and Christianity find a pit.

--- Thus it is not for nothing that everywhere there [in Europe] the Jews are reigning (tsariat) over the stock exchanges, not for nothing that they control capital, not for nothing that they are masters of credit, and not for nothing, I repeat, that they are the masters of all international politics, and what will be in the future is known also to the Jews themselves: their reign is approaching, their complete reign!

The Yid and his bank are now reigning over everything: over Europe, education, civilization, socialism - especially socialism, for he will use it to uproot Christianity and destroy its civilization. And when nothing but anarchy remains,
the Yid will be in command of everything. For while he goes about preaching socialism, he will stick together with his own, and after all the riches of Europe will have been wasted, the Yid's bank will still be there. The Antichrist will come and stand over the anarchy. ---

- Dostoyevsky, 1877
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Hatchc on June 22, 2013, 02:47:21 PM
Quote from: Donachie
Quote from: Hatchc
So in my reading about various powerful nations in Europe in the last 500 years I've noticed a recurring cycle:

The Jews come in large numbers, the nation experiences the greatest power it has ever known, the Jews leave (or are expelled), and then the nation goes back to having a normal amount of power.

Isn't it true that the Dutch, the Spanish, the Portuguese, the English, and now the Americans have achieved their greatest power when Jews were at the helm?

Any powerful European nations in the last 500 years that were not controlled by Jews, at least by proxy?


I don't agree with this thesis. Jews weaken a Christian nation. They do not strengthen it. The Talmud says Jews are to weaken and subvert and even destroy Christian nations whenever possible not strengthen them.

The Jews were marginalized in ghettos until the French Revolution. Prior to the French Revolution they had made progress in Protestant England after Cromwell and the Inglorious Revolution of 1688, and in the Calvinist Dutch republics where they helped originate the first stock exchanges and favored iconoclasm.

According to some historians, Calvin was Jew, original name Cohen, or French Cauin.

Russia was powerful when it kept the Jews segregated and out of the loop. Russia was destroyed by Jews with the communist revolution.

The "U.S.A." has been completely undermined by Jews until today it stands over its own fall and ruin.

imo, the Jewish world power began to make its modern ascent after the Napoleonic Wars, and Napoleon wrecked France and Europe.

WW I and WW II and the UN '45 and "Israel" '48, and here we are ... a total moral and economic wreck watching TV and the media tell lie after lie ... day after day.

The Jews don't strengthen anybody, imo, unless people feel empowered by deception. The abortion industry and porn culture are quite well today thanks to the Jews. Who did you think was making most of the money on that anyway?

Where Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden find sacred ground, common sense and Christianity find a pit.


I didn't mean "powerful" in that the Christians in those nations were powerful, but that the Jewish nation that chose to go by another name was powerful. The United States is a Jewish nation, the British Empire was a Jewish empire.

The reason I asked the question is because I want to have a view of history that is able to distinguish powerful nations that were run by non-Jews from powerful nations that the Jews would like me to think were run by non-Jews, but that were really under their thumb.


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--- Thus it is not for nothing that everywhere there [in Europe] the Jews are reigning (tsariat) over the stock exchanges, not for nothing that they control capital, not for nothing that they are masters of credit, and not for nothing, I repeat, that they are the masters of all international politics, and what will be in the future is known also to the Jews themselves: their reign is approaching, their complete reign!

The Yid and his bank are now reigning over everything: over Europe, education, civilization, socialism - especially socialism, for he will use it to uproot Christianity and destroy its civilization. And when nothing but anarchy remains,
the Yid will be in command of everything. For while he goes about preaching socialism, he will stick together with his own, and after all the riches of Europe will have been wasted, the Yid's bank will still be there. The Antichrist will come and stand over the anarchy. ---

- Dostoyevsky, 1877


I think this is the reason the Russian novelist Nabokov disliked Dostoyevsky so much, and not for any literary reasons. Nabokov's wife Vera was a Jewess.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Matto on June 22, 2013, 02:53:48 PM
Quote from: Hatchc
I think this is the reason the Russian novelist Nabokov disliked Dostoyevsky so much, and not for any literary reasons. Nabokov's wife Vera was a Jewess.


Vladimir Nabokov the pervert. I hope he likes his view from Hell.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Donachie on June 22, 2013, 03:52:39 PM
Quote from: Hatchc


I didn't mean "powerful" in that the Christians in those nations were powerful, but that the Jewish nation that chose to go by another name was powerful. The United States is a Jewish nation, the British Empire was a Jewish empire.

The reason I asked the question is because I want to have a view of history that is able to distinguish powerful nations that were run by non-Jews from powerful nations that the Jews would like me to think were run by non-Jews, but that were really under their thumb.




Jewish power is institutional in law, finance, and iconoclasm --- property and money entitlements. Therefore, check the banks and the law to see its effects at work.

For example, the Inglorious Revolution of 1688 and the Bank of England 1694 were signs of an iconoclastic and materialist character, but it was still a weak power then.

"The Shetar's Effect on English Law "is an acadmenic paper on Jewish influence in the money and law of England, etc.

I don't think the United States is a "Jewish nation" or even a nation anymore. It's a field equation to serve the interests of the NWO and nothing else.

I don't think the British Empire was a "Jewish empire". It was more of a Judeo-Masonic and Protestant "Coalition of the Willing" --- another sort of "scientific" materialist field equation like the Unites States.

I'm not trying to simply disagree with you. Just trying to be clear.

The powers of this world are ephemeral and Satanic in many cases. For example, King Henry VIII sending St. Thomas More and Bishop Fisher to the Tower and torturing and killing all the Carthusian monks.

Power is insitutional before it is national, imo. Jewish power is unique and coincidental in the Jewish nation and in international banking, law, "scientific" materialism, and socialism, etc.

The powers of this world are also contemporary with whatever dog is having his day --- like unbaptized, non-Christian Abe Lincoln and his factionalists and Ghengis Khan and the Golden Horde and Tamerlane. If opportunistic Jews have thrown in with a winning dog, that's all they have done --- thrown in with a winning dog.

I don't seem to have much of a point, except that power is institutional before it is national, imo.

The Catholic Church has national and institutional power, and the institutional power is greater.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: alaric on June 22, 2013, 06:23:32 PM
Quote from: Donachie
Quote from: Hatchc
So in my reading about various powerful nations in Europe in the last 500 years I've noticed a recurring cycle:

The Jews come in large numbers, the nation experiences the greatest power it has ever known, the Jews leave (or are expelled), and then the nation goes back to having a normal amount of power.

Isn't it true that the Dutch, the Spanish, the Portuguese, the English, and now the Americans have achieved their greatest power when Jews were at the helm?

Any powerful European nations in the last 500 years that were not controlled by Jews, at least by proxy?


I don't agree with this thesis. Jews weaken a Christian nation. They do not strengthen it. The Talmud says Jews are to weaken and subvert and even destroy Christian nations whenever possible not strengthen them.

The Jews were marginalized in ghettos until the French Revolution. Prior to the French Revolution they had made progress in Protestant England after Cromwell and the Inglorious Revolution of 1688, and in the Calvinist Dutch republics where they helped originate the first stock exchanges and favored iconoclasm.

According to some historians, Calvin was Jew, original name Cohen, or French Cauin.

Russia was powerful when it kept the Jews segregated and out of the loop. Russia was destroyed by Jews with the communist revolution.

The "U.S.A." has been completely undermined by Jews until today it stands over its own fall and ruin.

imo, the Jewish world power began to make its modern ascent after the Napoleonic Wars, and Napoleon wrecked France and Europe.

WW I and WW II and the UN '45 and "Israel" '48, and here we are ... a total moral and economic wreck watching TV and the media tell lie after lie ... day after day.

The Jews don't strengthen anybody, imo, unless people feel empowered by deception. The abortion industry and porn culture are quite well today thanks to the Jews. Who did you think was making most of the money on that anyway?

Where Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden find sacred ground, common sense and Christianity find a pit.

--- Thus it is not for nothing that everywhere there [in Europe] the Jews are reigning (tsariat) over the stock exchanges, not for nothing that they control capital, not for nothing that they are masters of credit, and not for nothing, I repeat, that they are the masters of all international politics, and what will be in the future is known also to the Jews themselves: their reign is approaching, their complete reign!

The Yid and his bank are now reigning over everything: over Europe, education, civilization, socialism - especially socialism, for he will use it to uproot Christianity and destroy its civilization. And when nothing but anarchy remains,
the Yid will be in command of everything. For while he goes about preaching socialism, he will stick together with his own, and after all the riches of Europe will have been wasted, the Yid's bank will still be there. The Antichrist will come and stand over the anarchy. ---

- Dostoyevsky, 1877
Good post, my sentiments exactly.

The only thing Jewry strengthens is it's own position, usually at the expense of it's host, like a typical parasite. Worshipping the devil's own will not make your people or culture stronger, in the end it will only devour it. You might make some gains and reign for a season but in the end you will be eaten from the inside out like termites and come crashing down like a big,  old lifeless tree, a pathetic specimen of what you once were. that's what happens to nations and empires who sell out to the Jew, one needs onlyto take a brief look through history to see the havoc wrought upon the empires by these culture destroyers and their minions. No people have ever survived the ravages of Jewish dominance or influence.

What makes a nation, culture or empire powerful is strong cohesion within it's moral, ethnic, political and spiritual values and norms. That's the recipie for success and endurance as a people, the exact oppostie of what Jews bring to the table, Jews bring "diversity, "tolerance" and "multiculturalism", in other words, disease, death and destruction to a culture.

Resist the Jew and he will flee from you.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: alaric on June 22, 2013, 06:27:55 PM
Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
It's not only the case in Europe - the great Asian powers of the industrial age were also totally in the hands of the Jews. I'm thinking in particular of the Japanese empire and individuals like Jacob Schiff, or Mao Zedong and his good friends Israel Epstein, Sidney Shapiro, Frank Coe, Solomon Adler.
I'm not so sure about this.

The Chinese and Japanese has powerful empires for hundreds of years before Hymie ever came wandering in that part of the world. even to this day, the Orientals are very suspicious of the Judaic interlopers. Anyone "western" actually.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: alaric on June 22, 2013, 06:35:40 PM
Quote from: Hatchc
Going farther back, the Byzantine Empire. Any thoughts? I've read that the Byzantines did a magnificent job of keeping the Jews out of power by barring them from education, politics and finance. They didn't slaughter them or expel them.

I've heard different theories that Byzantium sold out to Jewry shortly before the Fall of Constantinople and worked secretly behind the scenes with the Seljuk Turks playing both sides enabling the Ottomans to finally sack and defeat a city that supposedly impenetrable.

Probably some truth to that.

The Fall of the Byzantines was a terrible loss to European Christendom, Rome should've never allowed that. There is some speculation that they sold out their Eastern brothers to the muzzies and the Jews during that time.

Probably some truth to that as well.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Croix de Fer on June 22, 2013, 06:40:51 PM
Quote from: Donachie
Quote from: Hatchc


I didn't mean "powerful" in that the Christians in those nations were powerful, but that the Jewish nation that chose to go by another name was powerful. The United States is a Jewish nation, the British Empire was a Jewish empire.

The reason I asked the question is because I want to have a view of history that is able to distinguish powerful nations that were run by non-Jews from powerful nations that the Jews would like me to think were run by non-Jews, but that were really under their thumb.




Jewish power is institutional in law, finance, and iconoclasm --- property and money entitlements. Therefore, check the banks and the law to see its effects at work.

For example, the Inglorious Revolution of 1688 and the Bank of England 1694 were signs of an iconoclastic and materialist character, but it was still a weak power then.

"The Shetar's Effect on English Law "is an acadmenic paper on Jewish influence in the money and law of England, etc.

I don't think the United States is a "Jewish nation" or even a nation anymore. It's a field equation to serve the interests of the NWO and nothing else.

I don't think the British Empire was a "Jewish empire". It was more of a Judeo-Masonic and Protestant "Coalition of the Willing" --- another sort of "scientific" materialist field equation like the Unites States.

I'm not trying to simply disagree with you. Just trying to be clear.

The powers of this world are ephemeral and Satanic in many cases. For example, King Henry VIII sending St. Thomas More and Bishop Fisher to the Tower and torturing and killing all the Carthusian monks.

Power is insitutional before it is national, imo. Jewish power is unique and coincidental in the Jewish nation and in international banking, law, "scientific" materialism, and socialism, etc.

The powers of this world are also contemporary with whatever dog is having his day --- like unbaptized, non-Christian Abe Lincoln and his factionalists and Ghengis Khan and the Golden Horde and Tamerlane. If opportunistic Jews have thrown in with a winning dog, that's all they have done --- thrown in with a winning dog.

I don't seem to have much of a point, except that power is institutional before it is national, imo.

The Catholic Church has national and institutional power, and the institutional power is greater.


Don't pay any mind to Hatchc because he/she is an apologist for Jewry. I've noticed several comments on different threads in the past where he more or less defends Jews and/or bashes people, such as Brother Nathanael, who expose them. I can read between the lines. Hatchc is an apologist for Jewry, and possibly, a crypto-Jew himself.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: alaric on June 22, 2013, 06:43:13 PM
I would say right now Iran is a good example of a nation and people that won't sell out to the International Jew. Russia is once again showing some serious defiance and there are pockets of resistance in Europe that are slowly beginning to wake from their slumber from the Judaic spell. Jews ae very aware of this, that's why they are desperately trying to flood their borders with African, Asians and Muslims.

That's the Jewsih game: Divide and conquer.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: TheKnightVigilant on June 22, 2013, 06:48:49 PM
Quote from: alaric
Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
It's not only the case in Europe - the great Asian powers of the industrial age were also totally in the hands of the Jews. I'm thinking in particular of the Japanese empire and individuals like Jacob Schiff, or Mao Zedong and his good friends Israel Epstein, Sidney Shapiro, Frank Coe, Solomon Adler.
I'm not so sure about this.

The Chinese and Japanese has powerful empires for hundreds of years before Hymie ever came wandering in that part of the world. even to this day, the Orientals are very suspicious of the Judaic interlopers. Anyone "western" actually.


I specified that I am talking of the industrial age, an age which has been almost entirely dominated by Jews. I made no reference to the pre-industrial age. However, you are nevertheless wrong.

The Japanese had no empire prior to the infiltration of Judeo-Masonry. They were limited to their small island, their brief excursions into the continent being utter failures (Imjin war of the 16th century being the prime example)

China is in many ways the same - they controlled a powerful empire in pre-industrial times, but in the modern age, their rise has been totally dominated by Jews and their puppets, beginning with Sun Yat Sen, "father of modern China", freemason, and Jewish puppet utterly under the thumb of Morris Cohen and the Jewish financial elite.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Telesphorus on June 22, 2013, 07:02:58 PM
An interesting source on the history of the Jewish power is Werner Sombart's The Jews and Modern Capitalism.

http://archive.org/details/jewsandmodernca00sombgoog
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Hatchc on June 22, 2013, 07:13:46 PM
Quote from: Donachie
Quote from: Hatchc


I didn't mean "powerful" in that the Christians in those nations were powerful, but that the Jewish nation that chose to go by another name was powerful. The United States is a Jewish nation, the British Empire was a Jewish empire.

The reason I asked the question is because I want to have a view of history that is able to distinguish powerful nations that were run by non-Jews from powerful nations that the Jews would like me to think were run by non-Jews, but that were really under their thumb.




Jewish power is institutional in law, finance, and iconoclasm --- property and money entitlements. Therefore, check the banks and the law to see its effects at work.

For example, the Inglorious Revolution of 1688 and the Bank of England 1694 were signs of an iconoclastic and materialist character, but it was still a weak power then.

"The Shetar's Effect on English Law "is an acadmenic paper on Jewish influence in the money and law of England, etc.

I don't think the United States is a "Jewish nation" or even a nation anymore. It's a field equation to serve the interests of the NWO and nothing else.

I don't think the British Empire was a "Jewish empire". It was more of a Judeo-Masonic and Protestant "Coalition of the Willing" --- another sort of "scientific" materialist field equation like the Unites States.

I'm not trying to simply disagree with you. Just trying to be clear.

The powers of this world are ephemeral and Satanic in many cases. For example, King Henry VIII sending St. Thomas More and Bishop Fisher to the Tower and torturing and killing all the Carthusian monks.

Power is insitutional before it is national, imo. Jewish power is unique and coincidental in the Jewish nation and in international banking, law, "scientific" materialism, and socialism, etc.

The powers of this world are also contemporary with whatever dog is having his day --- like unbaptized, non-Christian Abe Lincoln and his factionalists and Ghengis Khan and the Golden Horde and Tamerlane. If opportunistic Jews have thrown in with a winning dog, that's all they have done --- thrown in with a winning dog.

I don't seem to have much of a point, except that power is institutional before it is national, imo.

The Catholic Church has national and institutional power, and the institutional power is greater.


Would you agree with others on the thread that NS Germany, Mussolini's Italy, the French Kingdom, and the Russian Empire were independent of Jewish power?

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I don't think the British Empire was a "Jewish empire". It was more of a Judeo-Masonic and Protestant "Coalition of the Willing" --- another sort of "scientific" materialist field equation like the Unites States.


It's certainly true that Jews always have allies, but the Jews are at the top calling the shots. So I think it's fair to say that the British Empire was a Jewish empire. In a collaboration with Jews, Masons, and Prots, the Jews are at the top.

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I don't seem to have much of a point, except that power is institutional before it is national, imo.

The Catholic Church has national and institutional power, and the institutional power is greater.


Could you explain this? I don't understand.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Hatchc on June 22, 2013, 07:18:41 PM
Quote from: alaric
Quote from: Hatchc
Going farther back, the Byzantine Empire. Any thoughts? I've read that the Byzantines did a magnificent job of keeping the Jews out of power by barring them from education, politics and finance. They didn't slaughter them or expel them.

I've heard different theories that Byzantium sold out to Jewry shortly before the Fall of Constantinople and worked secretly behind the scenes with the Seljuk Turks playing both sides enabling the Ottomans to finally sack and defeat a city that supposedly impenetrable.

Probably some truth to that.

The Fall of the Byzantines was a terrible loss to European Christendom, Rome should've never allowed that. There is some speculation that they sold out their Eastern brothers to the muzzies and the Jews during that time.

Probably some truth to that as well.


But for 1000 years up until the fall it seems they did a pretty good job of keeping the Jews at bay:

A New History of the Jews - Eustace Mullins - 1978

In all of recorded history, there was only one civilization which the Jews could not destroy. Because of this, they have given it
the silent treatment. Few American college graduates with a Ph. D. degree could tell you what the Byzantine Empire was. It was
the Empire of East Rome, set up by Roman leaders after the Jews had destroyed Rome. This empire functioned in Constantinople
for twelve hundred years, the longest duration of any empire in the history of the world. Throughout the history of
Byzantium, as it was known, by imperial edict, no Jew was allowed to hold any post in the Empire, nor was he allowed to educate
the young. -The Byzantine Empire finally fell to the Turks after twelve centuries of prosperity, and the Jews have attempted
to wipe out all traces of its history.

Yet its edicts against the Jews were not cruel; in fact, the Jews lived unmolested and prosperously in the empire throughout
its history, but here alone the vicious cycle of host and parasite did not take place. It was a Christian civilization, and the
Jews were not able to exercise any influence. Nor did the Orthodox priests bewilder their congregations with any vicious lies
about Christ being a Jew. No wonder the Jews want to eradicate the memory of such a culture. It was Ezra Pound who launched
upon a study of Byzantine civilization, and who reminded the world of this happily non-Jewish land. From the Byzantines,
Pound derived his non-violent formula for controlling the Jews. "The answer to the Jewish problem is simple," he said. "Keep
them out of banking, out of education, out of government." And this is how simple it is. There is no need to kill the Jews.
In fact, every pogrom in history has played into their hands, and has in many instances been cleverly instigated by them. Get the
Jews out of banking and they cannot control the economic life of the community. Get the Jews out of education and they cannot
pervert the minds of the young to their subversive doctrines. Get the Jews out of government and they cannot betray the
nation.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Hatchc on June 22, 2013, 07:21:40 PM
Quote from: ascent

Don't pay any mind to Hatchc because he/she is an apologist for Jewry. I've noticed several comments on different threads in the past where he more or less defends Jews and/or bashes people, such as Brother Nathanael, who expose them. I can read between the lines. Hatchc is an apologist for Jewry, and possibly, a crypto-Jew himself.


I do find Nathanael odd, to say the least.

And I'd like you to provide everyone here with links to posts where I've defended Jews, or criticized anyone who exposes the Jews.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Hatchc on June 22, 2013, 07:23:00 PM
Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
Quote from: alaric
Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
It's not only the case in Europe - the great Asian powers of the industrial age were also totally in the hands of the Jews. I'm thinking in particular of the Japanese empire and individuals like Jacob Schiff, or Mao Zedong and his good friends Israel Epstein, Sidney Shapiro, Frank Coe, Solomon Adler.
I'm not so sure about this.

The Chinese and Japanese has powerful empires for hundreds of years before Hymie ever came wandering in that part of the world. even to this day, the Orientals are very suspicious of the Judaic interlopers. Anyone "western" actually.


I specified that I am talking of the industrial age, an age which has been almost entirely dominated by Jews. I made no reference to the pre-industrial age. However, you are nevertheless wrong.

The Japanese had no empire prior to the infiltration of Judeo-Masonry. They were limited to their small island, their brief excursions into the continent being utter failures (Imjin war of the 16th century being the prime example)

China is in many ways the same - they controlled a powerful empire in pre-industrial times, but in the modern age, their rise has been totally dominated by Jews and their puppets, beginning with Sun Yat Sen, "father of modern China", freemason, and Jewish puppet utterly under the thumb of Morris Cohen and the Jewish financial elite.


Interesting! I'll have to read up on Sun Yat Sen.

Do you have any books to recommend?
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Hatchc on June 22, 2013, 07:24:31 PM
Quote from: Telesphorus
An interesting source on the history of the Jewish power is Werner Sombart's The Jews and Modern Capitalism.

http://archive.org/details/jewsandmodernca00sombgoog


I've been meaning to read this for a while.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Donachie on June 22, 2013, 07:46:03 PM
Quote from: Hatchc

I don't seem to have much of a point, except that power is institutional before it is national, imo.

The Catholic Church has national and institutional power, and the institutional power is greater.


Would you agree with others on the thread that NS Germany, Mussolini's Italy, the French Kingdom, and the Russian Empire were independent of Jewish power?

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I don't think the British Empire was a "Jewish empire". It was more of a Judeo-Masonic and Protestant "Coalition of the Willing" --- another sort of "scientific" materialist field equation like the Unites States.


It's certainly true that Jews always have allies, but the Jews are at the top calling the shots. So I think it's fair to say that the British Empire was a Jewish empire. In a collaboration with Jews, Masons, and Prots, the Jews are at the top.

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I don't seem to have much of a point, except that power is institutional before it is national, imo.

The Catholic Church has national and institutional power, and the institutional power is greater.


Could you explain this? I don't understand.[/quote]

NS Germany, Fascist Italy, the French Kingdom, and the Russian Empire were independent of Jewish power ... but not Fox News! Did you know Rupert Murdoch is Jewish?

Anyway, the rise of Judeo-Masonic liberalism has been peculiar to the modern era, but it has not had total control over everything, of course.

The Jews may be in a precarious positon at the top too. Worldiness offers only so much security. If the Jews are a disastrous people, how can they avoid the disaster of themselves?

The power of the Church is grace that builds on nature and that has been institutionalized for natural law abiding communities --- actual nation states. There are national and institutional powers at work in the Church.

A Catholic nation among Catholic nations is a real possibility. The Church does not harm the nations or their sovereignty. It brings them light.

Yet the eucharistic and sacramental powers of the Church are institutional. The New Testament is institutional and historical, before it is national.

The spiritual power is greater than the natural. The Holy Spirit is greater than any nation, and all the nations, but he is not so much beyond his "institutions".
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Hatchc on June 22, 2013, 09:21:42 PM
Quote from: Donachie


NS Germany, Fascist Italy, the French Kingdom, and the Russian Empire were independent of Jewish power ... but not Fox News! Did you know Rupert Murdoch is Jewish?

Anyway, the rise of Judeo-Masonic liberalism has been peculiar to the modern era, but it has not had total control over everything, of course.

The Jews may be in a precarious positon at the top too. Worldiness offers only so much security. If the Jews are a disastrous people, how can they avoid the disaster of themselves?

The power of the Church is grace that builds on nature and that has been institutionalized for natural law abiding communities --- actual nation states. There are national and institutional powers at work in the Church.

A Catholic nation among Catholic nations is a real possibility. The Church does not harm the nations or their sovereignty. It brings them light.

Yet the eucharistic and sacramental powers of the Church are institutional. The New Testament is institutional and historical, before it is national.

The spiritual power is greater than the natural. The Holy Spirit is greater than any nation, and all the nations, but he is not so much beyond his "institutions"
.


You're too smart for me, Donachie! I still don't understand.  :facepalm:
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Hatchc on June 22, 2013, 09:27:24 PM
Quote from: Hatchc
Quote from: ascent

Don't pay any mind to Hatchc because he/she is an apologist for Jewry. I've noticed several comments on different threads in the past where he more or less defends Jews and/or bashes people, such as Brother Nathanael, who expose them. I can read between the lines. Hatchc is an apologist for Jewry, and possibly, a crypto-Jew himself.


I do find Nathanael odd, to say the least.

And I'd like you to provide everyone here with links to posts where I've defended Jews, or criticized anyone who exposes the Jews.


I just skimmed through your archive, ascent, and I found that you are quite the devotee of Brother Nathanael. I'm not. I never said he was a fraud, but the fact that he posts semi-pornographic pictures in some of his videos, coupled with his "eccentric" behavior, makes me a bit wary.

Another thing I noticed is that you're a (nationalist) libertarian. A Paulite. I've criticized libertarians, so maybe some of your animus is due to that as well. I'm not economically literate. But by their fruits ye shall know them. I have not been impressed with the libertarians I've encountered. Most, if not all, of them are shallow, Judaized types. Though you don't seem to be Judaized, so you're a first.

I also notice that you beleive InfiniteFaith is not a troll. I have my doubts about the guy. I don't know if he is or not. He acts in such an unstable fashion that I don't feel bad about making my misgivings about him known.

I noticed something else from skimming your archive. You have a bizarre personality, much like Brother Nathanael.

I've always found it strange that alaric is a big fan of Brother Nathanael. alaric has always struck me as a common sense, no-BS kind of guy. I don't know what he sees in Nathanael. It's not like the guy says anything that you couldn't get from other sources.

These are a few reasons you would want to call me a crypto-Jew:

1. I am a crypto-Jew and you have the evidence to back it up. For example, when I've accused JayneK of being a crypto-Jew I've backed it up with evidence.

2. You're a Jew, and you want to accuse me of being one to spread confusion or hamper me in some way

3. You're ignorant

I'd like to think you're number three. Because it's definitely not number 1.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: alaric on June 23, 2013, 07:09:39 AM
Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
Quote from: alaric
Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
It's not only the case in Europe - the great Asian powers of the industrial age were also totally in the hands of the Jews. I'm thinking in particular of the Japanese empire and individuals like Jacob Schiff, or Mao Zedong and his good friends Israel Epstein, Sidney Shapiro, Frank Coe, Solomon Adler.
I'm not so sure about this.

The Chinese and Japanese has powerful empires for hundreds of years before Hymie ever came wandering in that part of the world. even to this day, the Orientals are very suspicious of the Judaic interlopers. Anyone "western" actually.


I specified that I am talking of the industrial age, an age which has been almost entirely dominated by Jews. I made no reference to the pre-industrial age. However, you are nevertheless wrong.

The Japanese had no empire prior to the infiltration of Judeo-Masonry. They were limited to their small island, their brief excursions into the continent being utter failures (Imjin war of the 16th century being the prime example)

China is in many ways the same - they controlled a powerful empire in pre-industrial times, but in the modern age, their rise has been totally dominated by Jews and their puppets, beginning with Sun Yat Sen, "father of modern China", freemason, and Jewish puppet utterly under the thumb of Morris Cohen and the Jewish financial elite.
On the contrary, I beg to differ.

Being classified as an "empire" need not to include the subjection and exploitation of foreign cultures and peoples. Yes, I know, the Japs were eventually guilty of this in the twentieth century, however.


The Japanese were extremely independent and self-sufficient (as usual) for a long time before the industrial age, they were indeed a powerful force under the Shogunate for centuries with a cultural rich in tradition, respect and heritage. And they were a force to be dealt with, no outside interlopers had a chance in suppressing them as a people, not even the huge empire of the Chinese across the sea, let alone a few wandering usuurping Ashkenzi's from SW Asia.



Japan was an empire Jew-free for many years before modern technology and all it's corruption infiltrated it's shores in the 19th century. As a matter of fact, they were a typical example of am honorable, functional culture before the infection of the Judaic virus and tyranny.

Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: alaric on June 23, 2013, 07:15:55 AM
Quote from: Hatchc
Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
Quote from: alaric
Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
It's not only the case in Europe - the great Asian powers of the industrial age were also totally in the hands of the Jews. I'm thinking in particular of the Japanese empire and individuals like Jacob Schiff, or Mao Zedong and his good friends Israel Epstein, Sidney Shapiro, Frank Coe, Solomon Adler.
I'm not so sure about this.

The Chinese and Japanese has powerful empires for hundreds of years before Hymie ever came wandering in that part of the world. even to this day, the Orientals are very suspicious of the Judaic interlopers. Anyone "western" actually.


I specified that I am talking of the industrial age, an age which has been almost entirely dominated by Jews. I made no reference to the pre-industrial age. However, you are nevertheless wrong.

The Japanese had no empire prior to the infiltration of Judeo-Masonry. They were limited to their small island, their brief excursions into the continent being utter failures (Imjin war of the 16th century being the prime example)

China is in many ways the same - they controlled a powerful empire in pre-industrial times, but in the modern age, their rise has been totally dominated by Jews and their puppets, beginning with Sun Yat Sen, "father of modern China", freemason, and Jewish puppet utterly under the thumb of Morris Cohen and the Jewish financial elite.


Interesting! I'll have to read up on Sun Yat Sen.

Do you have any books to recommend?
Sun Yat Sen was a Nationalist, they typically are not Jewish dominated in anyway since they place their values and interests of their nation and people above the global (see Jewish) interests.

If Sun was a Jew-stooge then the Chi-coms would've never recieved the support they did from the West and the Soviets that enabled their eventual victory on the Chinese mainland where the Reds rule the day.

You need to produce a credible source citing Jews controlled the Nationalists.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: TheKnightVigilant on June 23, 2013, 09:57:39 AM
Quote from: alaric
On the contrary, I beg to differ.

Being classified as an "empire" need not to include the subjection and exploitation of foreign cultures and peoples. Yes, I know, the Japs were eventually guilty of this in the twentieth century, however.


The Japanese were extremely independent and self-sufficient (as usual) for a long time before the industrial age, they were indeed a powerful force under the Shogunate for centuries with a cultural rich in tradition, respect and heritage. And they were a force to be dealt with, no outside interlopers had a chance in suppressing them as a people, not even the huge empire of the Chinese across the sea, let alone a few wandering usuurping Ashkenzi's from SW Asia.


With respect, a few points:

-The Japanese were by no means "a powerful force under the Shogunate for centuries". Perhaps under Hideyoshi and for a short period under the Tokugawa Shogunate, or the late 16th and early 17th centuries. After the Heian era, Japan quickly fell behind the in the developments made on the continent, only bringing itself back into the "modern" world with the onset of the Sengoku Jidai period and the arrival of more envoys from Ming China and, especially, Europe. But after Tokugawa's unification of the warring states, Japan once again fell back into stagnation.

-I made no mention of "wandering usurping ashkenazis", nor did I ever suggest or imply that pre-industrial Japan was under the thumb of the Jews. I indeed specified that it was the Japanese Empire which was controlled by the Jews. The Empire of Japan was an entity that existed from 1868 to 1947, and was utterly in the Jewish grip. Jacob Schiff, Marcus Samuel come to mind.


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Japan was an empire Jew-free for many years before modern technology and all it's corruption infiltrated it's shores in the 19th century. As a matter of fact, they were a typical example of am honorable, functional culture before the infection of the Judaic virus and tyranny.


Whoah, slow down. There are certainly certain aspects of Japanese culture that one can't help but respect - their arts, architecture, functioning homogenous society, to give three examples. On the other hand, it was also a land completely mired in superstitious demon-worship (the Japanese worship demons and call them "buddhas"), pseudo-Judaic Shintoist racial beliefs that characterise the Japanese as superior to all other peoples, rampant sodomy among the people, including the ruling elite (pre-adult and even pre-adolescent boys would submit themselves to a sodomite relationship as part of their martial training) and the various religious institutions, and vile pornography, more so than probably anywhere else in the historic world, as in Japan, even pornography dealing with sodomy and bestiality was widespeared. That's before we bring their horrific persecutions of Christians into the picture.

Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: TheKnightVigilant on June 23, 2013, 10:10:45 AM
Quote from: alaric

Sun Yat Sen was a Nationalist, they typically are not Jewish dominated in anyway since they place their values and interests of their nation and people above the global (see Jewish) interests.

If Sun was a Jew-stooge then the Chi-coms would've never recieved the support they did from the West and the Soviets that enabled their eventual victory on the Chinese mainland where the Reds rule the day.

You need to produce a credible source citing Jews controlled the Nationalists.


Can't say I agree with you there, considering modern nationalism itself is a creation of Judeo-Masonry and a product of the Judaic "Enlightenment".

The Jews play both sides, that is well known.

Sun Yat Sen was controlled by the Jews via freemasonry, of which he was a member. He also went on to found several socities based on and affiliated with freemasonry. He had ties with numerous influential Jews such as Morris Cohen.

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/history/chinese_freemasons/#sun

Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on June 23, 2013, 10:33:32 AM
Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
Can't say I agree with you there, considering modern nationalism itself is a creation of Judeo-Masonry and a product of the Judaic "Enlightenment".


On the contrary nationalism is very right-wing and is the anti-thesis of globalism.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on June 23, 2013, 10:35:11 AM
Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
I indeed specified that it was the Japanese Empire which was controlled by the Jews.


If what you say is true why is it that America had such a profound hatred of the Japenese Empire pre-existing World War II and during World War II, even to today?
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Hatchc on June 23, 2013, 05:54:36 PM
TheKnightVigilant is bringing interesting things to the table.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Donachie on June 23, 2013, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: Hatchc
Quote from: Donachie


NS Germany, Fascist Italy, the French Kingdom, and the Russian Empire were independent of Jewish power ... but not Fox News! Did you know Rupert Murdoch is Jewish?

Anyway, the rise of Judeo-Masonic liberalism has been peculiar to the modern era, but it has not had total control over everything, of course.

The Jews may be in a precarious positon at the top too. Worldiness offers only so much security. If the Jews are a disastrous people, how can they avoid the disaster of themselves?

The power of the Church is grace that builds on nature and that has been institutionalized for natural law abiding communities --- actual nation states. There are national and institutional powers at work in the Church.

A Catholic nation among Catholic nations is a real possibility. The Church does not harm the nations or their sovereignty. It brings them light.

Yet the eucharistic and sacramental powers of the Church are institutional. The New Testament is institutional and historical, before it is national.

The spiritual power is greater than the natural. The Holy Spirit is greater than any nation, and all the nations, but he is not so much beyond his "institutions"
.


You're too smart for me, Donachie! I still don't understand.  :facepalm:


There are people here better prepared to discuss the Jews and modern history than me.

I'm only adding qualifiers and "haecceitas", which is a habit.

For example, many liberals and others misinterpret the beatitudes and think Jesus was like a communist or a door mat. However, this is not the case.

Jesus was a King, the King of Kings, and he was not throwing pearls to swine. Everything he said was trinitarian in character. Everything he spoke was from the sanctuary --- the altar and the throne. Nothing that he said was from the mob.

God is the best, and it's not an ego trip when he loves his own way the most; and his way should be loved the most since it is always the best.

The beatitudes are qualified by the Trinity and contemplation of the Trinity first. Not the soup kitchen run around. With profound "haeccetias", Jesus was speaking first of the excellence and absolute superiority of life within the sanctuary of the trinity, when he preached the beatitudes, not the liberal soup kitchen run around.

Martha had her pots and pans, and Mary had the better part.

What in the world does this have to do with a practical discussion of Jewish conspiracies and the struggle for survival of nation states?

Since the question is "power", it's just a qualification of the term, as people examine it with "haecceitas".

The power of a group is more than national, and the Jewish cosa nostra has been coincidental with liberalism more than any specific nation, imo.

Liberalism has been empowered by the Jews, and the Jews have been empowered by it, that's why I mentioned the Napoleonic wars, the international banks and international law.

A lot of international law today is a NWO scam, imo. Look at Barbara Streisand.
Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: alaric on June 24, 2013, 05:42:20 AM
Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
Quote from: alaric
On the contrary, I beg to differ.

Being classified as an "empire" need not to include the subjection and exploitation of foreign cultures and peoples. Yes, I know, the Japs were eventually guilty of this in the twentieth century, however.


The Japanese were extremely independent and self-sufficient (as usual) for a long time before the industrial age, they were indeed a powerful force under the Shogunate for centuries with a cultural rich in tradition, respect and heritage. And they were a force to be dealt with, no outside interlopers had a chance in suppressing them as a people, not even the huge empire of the Chinese across the sea, let alone a few wandering usuurping Ashkenzi's from SW Asia.


With respect, a few points:

-The Japanese were by no means "a powerful force under the Shogunate for centuries". Perhaps under Hideyoshi and for a short period under the Tokugawa Shogunate, or the late 16th and early 17th centuries. After the Heian era, Japan quickly fell behind the in the developments made on the continent, only bringing itself back into the "modern" world with the onset of the Sengoku Jidai period and the arrival of more envoys from Ming China and, especially, Europe. But after Tokugawa's unification of the warring states, Japan once again fell back into stagnation.

-I made no mention of "wandering usurping ashkenazis", nor did I ever suggest or imply that pre-industrial Japan was under the thumb of the Jews. I indeed specified that it was the Japanese Empire which was controlled by the Jews. The Empire of Japan was an entity that existed from 1868 to 1947, and was utterly in the Jewish grip. Jacob Schiff, Marcus Samuel come to mind.

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Japan was an empire Jew-free for many years before modern technology and all it's corruption infiltrated it's shores in the 19th century. As a matter of fact, they were a typical example of am honorable, functional culture before the infection of the Judaic virus and tyranny.


Whoah, slow down. There are certainly certain aspects of Japanese culture that one can't help but respect - their arts, architecture, functioning homogenous society, to give three examples. On the other hand, it was also a land completely mired in superstitious demon-worship (the Japanese worship demons and call them "buddhas"), pseudo-Judaic Shintoist racial beliefs that characterise the Japanese as superior to all other peoples, rampant sodomy among the people, including the ruling elite (pre-adult and even pre-adolescent boys would submit themselves to a sodomite relationship as part of their martial training) and the various religious institutions, and vile pornography, more so than probably anywhere else in the historic world, as in Japan, even pornography dealing with sodomy and bestiality was widespeared. That's before we bring their horrific persecutions of Christians into the picture.

How could the Japanese Empire be "utterly" under the Jewish yoke when they were in total alliance with the NS in Germany and signed with the Axis pact, something worldwide Jewry was in a state of total global war? Your thesis doesn't cohere with reality, I know like you stated earlier that the Jew plays both sides, but not in this instance, the Nationalists in Europe and Asia were directly opposed to the Judaic agenda. As Jesus said, a house divided will not stand. The Jews were firmly behind the Western democracies and the Sino-Soviet communists. Now there's an example where they would eventually play both sides against each other.

As for the immorality of pre-Industrial Japan, they were no worse than any other culture on the planet before the divine Truth in Christ was revealed to them, as a matter of fact, they were still more noble and honorable than much of the world where that already had accepted so-called "christianity" and much of the vile sins of flesh and sexual immorality that is rampant there today is a direct result of being thrusted upon them by the Western "democracies" and their Jewish handlers, wherever you see peddlers of the flesh infesting a culture you can bet there's a Talmudic Jew behind it.

The Christians who were persecuted were seen as an outside foreign influence attmepting to usurp their very culture and values, this isn't the first time this has happened, many of martyrs went through the same process in much of the pre-christian pagan world.

Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: alaric on June 24, 2013, 06:12:49 AM
Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
Quote from: alaric

Sun Yat Sen was a Nationalist, they typically are not Jewish dominated in anyway since they place their values and interests of their nation and people above the global (see Jewish) interests.

If Sun was a Jew-stooge then the Chi-coms would've never recieved the support they did from the West and the Soviets that enabled their eventual victory on the Chinese mainland where the Reds rule the day.

You need to produce a credible source citing Jews controlled the Nationalists.


Can't say I agree with you there, considering modern nationalism itself is a creation of Judeo-Masonry and a product of the Judaic "Enlightenment".

The Jews play both sides, that is well known.

Sun Yat Sen was controlled by the Jews via freemasonry, of which he was a member. He also went on to found several socities based on and affiliated with freemasonry. He had ties with numerous influential Jews such as Morris Cohen.

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/history/chinese_freemasons/#sun

Acutally you might have something there, I was referring more to Chiang Kai-shek, a devoted Nationalist and anti-Communist who desperately tried to free the Chinese of Mao-led Red communists of whom Sun was much more cordial and friendly, most likely due in part to his own Western-educated, social-democratic leanings which Chiang more or less rejected and moved away from after Sun's death before the War. Perhaps Chiang's biggest mistake was  briefly allying with the Communists against the Japanese Empire so they could collectively drive the Japs from the continent and work together for the good of post-war China. Of course this never happened and the Chi-coms betrayed the Nationalists and used their Soviet/Jewish power spheres of influence and drove CKS and the Nationalist off the continent themselves where they created the current nation of Taiwan (Formosa). Communists are never to be trusted, and in this case the West, which was heavily Jewish influenced, allowed the Reds to have their way in China like they did in Eastern Europe as well after the war.

Nationalism is putting your people's interests first before any other outside influence, it is in effect in it's essence "anti-Jewish" because the Jews never want a people or culture to be cohesive in nature and independent of Judaic "enlightenment" and influence. The whole Jewish agenda is to subvert and usurp every nation and culture in order for them to "survive" and roam freely within it until they have used up all their resources and treasure so they can move onto the next victim, the Jews are in a constant state of war wherever they may dwell and the only rule that applies is "Is it good for Jews"?. They are very clear about this in their Talmudic writings and other works such as the Protocols of Zion, which they will try to convince is a complete fabrication yet the plan laid out in it is being implemented almost to perfection.

Of course the only real answer to this is the Cross of Christ, Truth revealed.

Title: Jews and Great Powers
Post by: Hatchc on June 24, 2013, 07:12:43 PM
Quote from: Donachie


A lot of international law today is a NWO scam, imo. Look at Barbara Streisand.


What about her?