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« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2013, 07:24:31 PM »
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    An interesting source on the history of the Jєωιѕн power is Werner Sombart's The Jєωs and Modern Capitalism.

    http://archive.org/details/Jєωsandmodernca00sombgoog


    I've been meaning to read this for a while.


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    « Reply #31 on: June 22, 2013, 07:46:03 PM »
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    I don't seem to have much of a point, except that power is institutional before it is national, imo.

    The Catholic Church has national and institutional power, and the institutional power is greater.


    Would you agree with others on the thread that NS Germany, Mussolini's Italy, the French Kingdom, and the Russian Empire were independent of Jєωιѕн power?

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    I don't think the British Empire was a "Jєωιѕн empire". It was more of a ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic and Protestant "Coalition of the Willing" --- another sort of "scientific" materialist field equation like the Unites States.


    It's certainly true that Jєωs always have allies, but the Jєωs are at the top calling the shots. So I think it's fair to say that the British Empire was a Jєωιѕн empire. In a collaboration with Jєωs, Masons, and Prots, the Jєωs are at the top.

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    I don't seem to have much of a point, except that power is institutional before it is national, imo.

    The Catholic Church has national and institutional power, and the institutional power is greater.


    Could you explain this? I don't understand.[/quote]

    NS Germany, Fascist Italy, the French Kingdom, and the Russian Empire were independent of Jєωιѕн power ... but not Fox News! Did you know Rupert Murdoch is Jєωιѕн?

    Anyway, the rise of ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic liberalism has been peculiar to the modern era, but it has not had total control over everything, of course.

    The Jєωs may be in a precarious positon at the top too. Worldiness offers only so much security. If the Jєωs are a disastrous people, how can they avoid the disaster of themselves?

    The power of the Church is grace that builds on nature and that has been institutionalized for natural law abiding communities --- actual nation states. There are national and institutional powers at work in the Church.

    A Catholic nation among Catholic nations is a real possibility. The Church does not harm the nations or their sovereignty. It brings them light.

    Yet the eucharistic and sacramental powers of the Church are institutional. The New Testament is institutional and historical, before it is national.

    The spiritual power is greater than the natural. The Holy Spirit is greater than any nation, and all the nations, but he is not so much beyond his "institutions".


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    « Reply #32 on: June 22, 2013, 09:21:42 PM »
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    NS Germany, Fascist Italy, the French Kingdom, and the Russian Empire were independent of Jєωιѕн power ... but not Fox News! Did you know Rupert Murdoch is Jєωιѕн?

    Anyway, the rise of ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic liberalism has been peculiar to the modern era, but it has not had total control over everything, of course.

    The Jєωs may be in a precarious positon at the top too. Worldiness offers only so much security. If the Jєωs are a disastrous people, how can they avoid the disaster of themselves?

    The power of the Church is grace that builds on nature and that has been institutionalized for natural law abiding communities --- actual nation states. There are national and institutional powers at work in the Church.

    A Catholic nation among Catholic nations is a real possibility. The Church does not harm the nations or their sovereignty. It brings them light.

    Yet the eucharistic and sacramental powers of the Church are institutional. The New Testament is institutional and historical, before it is national.

    The spiritual power is greater than the natural. The Holy Spirit is greater than any nation, and all the nations, but he is not so much beyond his "institutions"
    .


    You're too smart for me, Donachie! I still don't understand.  :facepalm:

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    « Reply #33 on: June 22, 2013, 09:27:24 PM »
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    Don't pay any mind to Hatchc because he/she is an apologist for Jєωry. I've noticed several comments on different threads in the past where he more or less defends Jєωs and/or bashes people, such as Brother Nathanael, who expose them. I can read between the lines. Hatchc is an apologist for Jєωry, and possibly, a crypto-Jєω himself.


    I do find Nathanael odd, to say the least.

    And I'd like you to provide everyone here with links to posts where I've defended Jєωs, or criticized anyone who exposes the Jєωs.


    I just skimmed through your archive, ascent, and I found that you are quite the devotee of Brother Nathanael. I'm not. I never said he was a fraud, but the fact that he posts semi-pornographic pictures in some of his videos, coupled with his "eccentric" behavior, makes me a bit wary.

    Another thing I noticed is that you're a (nationalist) libertarian. A Paulite. I've criticized libertarians, so maybe some of your animus is due to that as well. I'm not economically literate. But by their fruits ye shall know them. I have not been impressed with the libertarians I've encountered. Most, if not all, of them are shallow, Judaized types. Though you don't seem to be Judaized, so you're a first.

    I also notice that you beleive InfiniteFaith is not a troll. I have my doubts about the guy. I don't know if he is or not. He acts in such an unstable fashion that I don't feel bad about making my misgivings about him known.

    I noticed something else from skimming your archive. You have a bizarre personality, much like Brother Nathanael.

    I've always found it strange that alaric is a big fan of Brother Nathanael. alaric has always struck me as a common sense, no-BS kind of guy. I don't know what he sees in Nathanael. It's not like the guy says anything that you couldn't get from other sources.

    These are a few reasons you would want to call me a crypto-Jєω:

    1. I am a crypto-Jєω and you have the evidence to back it up. For example, when I've accused JayneK of being a crypto-Jєω I've backed it up with evidence.

    2. You're a Jєω, and you want to accuse me of being one to spread confusion or hamper me in some way

    3. You're ignorant

    I'd like to think you're number three. Because it's definitely not number 1.

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    « Reply #34 on: June 23, 2013, 07:09:39 AM »
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    It's not only the case in Europe - the great Asian powers of the industrial age were also totally in the hands of the Jєωs. I'm thinking in particular of the Japanese empire and individuals like Jacob Schiff, or Mao Zedong and his good friends Israel Epstein, Sidney Shapiro, Frank Coe, Solomon Adler.
    I'm not so sure about this.

    The Chinese and Japanese has powerful empires for hundreds of years before Hymie ever came wandering in that part of the world. even to this day, the Orientals are very suspicious of the Judaic interlopers. Anyone "western" actually.


    I specified that I am talking of the industrial age, an age which has been almost entirely dominated by Jєωs. I made no reference to the pre-industrial age. However, you are nevertheless wrong.

    The Japanese had no empire prior to the infiltration of ʝʊdɛօ-Masonry. They were limited to their small island, their brief excursions into the continent being utter failures (Imjin war of the 16th century being the prime example)

    China is in many ways the same - they controlled a powerful empire in pre-industrial times, but in the modern age, their rise has been totally dominated by Jєωs and their puppets, beginning with Sun Yat Sen, "father of modern China", freemason, and Jєωιѕн puppet utterly under the thumb of Morris Cohen and the Jєωιѕн financial elite.
    On the contrary, I beg to differ.

    Being classified as an "empire" need not to include the subjection and exploitation of foreign cultures and peoples. Yes, I know, the Japs were eventually guilty of this in the twentieth century, however.


    The Japanese were extremely independent and self-sufficient (as usual) for a long time before the industrial age, they were indeed a powerful force under the Shogunate for centuries with a cultural rich in tradition, respect and heritage. And they were a force to be dealt with, no outside interlopers had a chance in suppressing them as a people, not even the huge empire of the Chinese across the sea, let alone a few wandering usuurping Ashkenzi's from SW Asia.



    Japan was an empire Jєω-free for many years before modern technology and all it's corruption infiltrated it's shores in the 19th century. As a matter of fact, they were a typical example of am honorable, functional culture before the infection of the Judaic virus and tyranny.



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    « Reply #35 on: June 23, 2013, 07:15:55 AM »
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    It's not only the case in Europe - the great Asian powers of the industrial age were also totally in the hands of the Jєωs. I'm thinking in particular of the Japanese empire and individuals like Jacob Schiff, or Mao Zedong and his good friends Israel Epstein, Sidney Shapiro, Frank Coe, Solomon Adler.
    I'm not so sure about this.

    The Chinese and Japanese has powerful empires for hundreds of years before Hymie ever came wandering in that part of the world. even to this day, the Orientals are very suspicious of the Judaic interlopers. Anyone "western" actually.


    I specified that I am talking of the industrial age, an age which has been almost entirely dominated by Jєωs. I made no reference to the pre-industrial age. However, you are nevertheless wrong.

    The Japanese had no empire prior to the infiltration of ʝʊdɛօ-Masonry. They were limited to their small island, their brief excursions into the continent being utter failures (Imjin war of the 16th century being the prime example)

    China is in many ways the same - they controlled a powerful empire in pre-industrial times, but in the modern age, their rise has been totally dominated by Jєωs and their puppets, beginning with Sun Yat Sen, "father of modern China", freemason, and Jєωιѕн puppet utterly under the thumb of Morris Cohen and the Jєωιѕн financial elite.


    Interesting! I'll have to read up on Sun Yat Sen.

    Do you have any books to recommend?
    Sun Yat Sen was a Nationalist, they typically are not Jєωιѕн dominated in anyway since they place their values and interests of their nation and people above the global (see Jєωιѕн) interests.

    If Sun was a Jєω-stooge then the Chi-coms would've never recieved the support they did from the West and the Soviets that enabled their eventual victory on the Chinese mainland where the Reds rule the day.

    You need to produce a credible source citing Jєωs controlled the Nationalists.

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    « Reply #36 on: June 23, 2013, 09:57:39 AM »
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    On the contrary, I beg to differ.

    Being classified as an "empire" need not to include the subjection and exploitation of foreign cultures and peoples. Yes, I know, the Japs were eventually guilty of this in the twentieth century, however.


    The Japanese were extremely independent and self-sufficient (as usual) for a long time before the industrial age, they were indeed a powerful force under the Shogunate for centuries with a cultural rich in tradition, respect and heritage. And they were a force to be dealt with, no outside interlopers had a chance in suppressing them as a people, not even the huge empire of the Chinese across the sea, let alone a few wandering usuurping Ashkenzi's from SW Asia.


    With respect, a few points:

    -The Japanese were by no means "a powerful force under the Shogunate for centuries". Perhaps under Hideyoshi and for a short period under the Tokugawa Shogunate, or the late 16th and early 17th centuries. After the Heian era, Japan quickly fell behind the in the developments made on the continent, only bringing itself back into the "modern" world with the onset of the Sengoku Jidai period and the arrival of more envoys from Ming China and, especially, Europe. But after Tokugawa's unification of the warring states, Japan once again fell back into stagnation.

    -I made no mention of "wandering usurping αѕнкenαzιs", nor did I ever suggest or imply that pre-industrial Japan was under the thumb of the Jєωs. I indeed specified that it was the Japanese Empire which was controlled by the Jєωs. The Empire of Japan was an entity that existed from 1868 to 1947, and was utterly in the Jєωιѕн grip. Jacob Schiff, Marcus Samuel come to mind.


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    Japan was an empire Jєω-free for many years before modern technology and all it's corruption infiltrated it's shores in the 19th century. As a matter of fact, they were a typical example of am honorable, functional culture before the infection of the Judaic virus and tyranny.


    Whoah, slow down. There are certainly certain aspects of Japanese culture that one can't help but respect - their arts, architecture, functioning homogenous society, to give three examples. On the other hand, it was also a land completely mired in superstitious demon-worship (the Japanese worship demons and call them "buddhas"), pseudo-Judaic Shintoist racial beliefs that characterise the Japanese as superior to all other peoples, rampant sodomy among the people, including the ruling elite (pre-adult and even pre-adolescent boys would submit themselves to a sodomite relationship as part of their martial training) and the various religious institutions, and vile pornography, more so than probably anywhere else in the historic world, as in Japan, even pornography dealing with sodomy and bestiality was widespeared. That's before we bring their horrific persecutions of Christians into the picture.


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    « Reply #37 on: June 23, 2013, 10:10:45 AM »
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    Sun Yat Sen was a Nationalist, they typically are not Jєωιѕн dominated in anyway since they place their values and interests of their nation and people above the global (see Jєωιѕн) interests.

    If Sun was a Jєω-stooge then the Chi-coms would've never recieved the support they did from the West and the Soviets that enabled their eventual victory on the Chinese mainland where the Reds rule the day.

    You need to produce a credible source citing Jєωs controlled the Nationalists.


    Can't say I agree with you there, considering modern nationalism itself is a creation of ʝʊdɛօ-Masonry and a product of the Judaic "Enlightenment".

    The Jєωs play both sides, that is well known.

    Sun Yat Sen was controlled by the Jєωs via Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, of which he was a member. He also went on to found several socities based on and affiliated with Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. He had ties with numerous influential Jєωs such as Morris Cohen.

    http://Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.bcy.ca/history/chinese_freemasons/#sun



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    « Reply #38 on: June 23, 2013, 10:33:32 AM »
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    Can't say I agree with you there, considering modern nationalism itself is a creation of ʝʊdɛօ-Masonry and a product of the Judaic "Enlightenment".


    On the contrary nationalism is very right-wing and is the anti-thesis of globalism.

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    « Reply #39 on: June 23, 2013, 10:35:11 AM »
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    I indeed specified that it was the Japanese Empire which was controlled by the Jєωs.


    If what you say is true why is it that America had such a profound hatred of the Japenese Empire pre-existing World War II and during World War II, even to today?

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    « Reply #40 on: June 23, 2013, 05:54:36 PM »
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  • TheKnightVigilant is bringing interesting things to the table.


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    « Reply #41 on: June 23, 2013, 07:55:22 PM »
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    NS Germany, Fascist Italy, the French Kingdom, and the Russian Empire were independent of Jєωιѕн power ... but not Fox News! Did you know Rupert Murdoch is Jєωιѕн?

    Anyway, the rise of ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic liberalism has been peculiar to the modern era, but it has not had total control over everything, of course.

    The Jєωs may be in a precarious positon at the top too. Worldiness offers only so much security. If the Jєωs are a disastrous people, how can they avoid the disaster of themselves?

    The power of the Church is grace that builds on nature and that has been institutionalized for natural law abiding communities --- actual nation states. There are national and institutional powers at work in the Church.

    A Catholic nation among Catholic nations is a real possibility. The Church does not harm the nations or their sovereignty. It brings them light.

    Yet the eucharistic and sacramental powers of the Church are institutional. The New Testament is institutional and historical, before it is national.

    The spiritual power is greater than the natural. The Holy Spirit is greater than any nation, and all the nations, but he is not so much beyond his "institutions"
    .


    You're too smart for me, Donachie! I still don't understand.  :facepalm:


    There are people here better prepared to discuss the Jєωs and modern history than me.

    I'm only adding qualifiers and "haecceitas", which is a habit.

    For example, many liberals and others misinterpret the beatitudes and think Jesus was like a communist or a door mat. However, this is not the case.

    Jesus was a King, the King of Kings, and he was not throwing pearls to swine. Everything he said was trinitarian in character. Everything he spoke was from the sanctuary --- the altar and the throne. Nothing that he said was from the mob.

    God is the best, and it's not an ego trip when he loves his own way the most; and his way should be loved the most since it is always the best.

    The beatitudes are qualified by the Trinity and contemplation of the Trinity first. Not the soup kitchen run around. With profound "haeccetias", Jesus was speaking first of the excellence and absolute superiority of life within the sanctuary of the trinity, when he preached the beatitudes, not the liberal soup kitchen run around.

    Martha had her pots and pans, and Mary had the better part.

    What in the world does this have to do with a practical discussion of Jєωιѕн cօռspιʀαcιҽs and the struggle for survival of nation states?

    Since the question is "power", it's just a qualification of the term, as people examine it with "haecceitas".

    The power of a group is more than national, and the Jєωιѕн cosa nostra has been coincidental with liberalism more than any specific nation, imo.

    Liberalism has been empowered by the Jєωs, and the Jєωs have been empowered by it, that's why I mentioned the Napoleonic wars, the international banks and international law.

    A lot of international law today is a NWO scam, imo. Look at Barbara Streisand.

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    « Reply #42 on: June 24, 2013, 05:42:20 AM »
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    On the contrary, I beg to differ.

    Being classified as an "empire" need not to include the subjection and exploitation of foreign cultures and peoples. Yes, I know, the Japs were eventually guilty of this in the twentieth century, however.


    The Japanese were extremely independent and self-sufficient (as usual) for a long time before the industrial age, they were indeed a powerful force under the Shogunate for centuries with a cultural rich in tradition, respect and heritage. And they were a force to be dealt with, no outside interlopers had a chance in suppressing them as a people, not even the huge empire of the Chinese across the sea, let alone a few wandering usuurping Ashkenzi's from SW Asia.


    With respect, a few points:

    -The Japanese were by no means "a powerful force under the Shogunate for centuries". Perhaps under Hideyoshi and for a short period under the Tokugawa Shogunate, or the late 16th and early 17th centuries. After the Heian era, Japan quickly fell behind the in the developments made on the continent, only bringing itself back into the "modern" world with the onset of the Sengoku Jidai period and the arrival of more envoys from Ming China and, especially, Europe. But after Tokugawa's unification of the warring states, Japan once again fell back into stagnation.

    -I made no mention of "wandering usurping αѕнкenαzιs", nor did I ever suggest or imply that pre-industrial Japan was under the thumb of the Jєωs. I indeed specified that it was the Japanese Empire which was controlled by the Jєωs. The Empire of Japan was an entity that existed from 1868 to 1947, and was utterly in the Jєωιѕн grip. Jacob Schiff, Marcus Samuel come to mind.

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    Japan was an empire Jєω-free for many years before modern technology and all it's corruption infiltrated it's shores in the 19th century. As a matter of fact, they were a typical example of am honorable, functional culture before the infection of the Judaic virus and tyranny.


    Whoah, slow down. There are certainly certain aspects of Japanese culture that one can't help but respect - their arts, architecture, functioning homogenous society, to give three examples. On the other hand, it was also a land completely mired in superstitious demon-worship (the Japanese worship demons and call them "buddhas"), pseudo-Judaic Shintoist racial beliefs that characterise the Japanese as superior to all other peoples, rampant sodomy among the people, including the ruling elite (pre-adult and even pre-adolescent boys would submit themselves to a sodomite relationship as part of their martial training) and the various religious institutions, and vile pornography, more so than probably anywhere else in the historic world, as in Japan, even pornography dealing with sodomy and bestiality was widespeared. That's before we bring their horrific persecutions of Christians into the picture.

    How could the Japanese Empire be "utterly" under the Jєωιѕн yoke when they were in total alliance with the NS in Germany and signed with the Axis pact, something worldwide Jєωry was in a state of total global war? Your thesis doesn't cohere with reality, I know like you stated earlier that the Jєω plays both sides, but not in this instance, the Nationalists in Europe and Asia were directly opposed to the Judaic agenda. As Jesus said, a house divided will not stand. The Jєωs were firmly behind the Western democracies and the Sino-Soviet communists. Now there's an example where they would eventually play both sides against each other.

    As for the immorality of pre-Industrial Japan, they were no worse than any other culture on the planet before the divine Truth in Christ was revealed to them, as a matter of fact, they were still more noble and honorable than much of the world where that already had accepted so-called "christianity" and much of the vile sins of flesh and sɛҳuąƖ immorality that is rampant there today is a direct result of being thrusted upon them by the Western "democracies" and their Jєωιѕн handlers, wherever you see peddlers of the flesh infesting a culture you can bet there's a тαℓмυdic Jєω behind it.

    The Christians who were persecuted were seen as an outside foreign influence attmepting to usurp their very culture and values, this isn't the first time this has happened, many of martyrs went through the same process in much of the pre-christian pagan world.


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    « Reply #43 on: June 24, 2013, 06:12:49 AM »
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    Sun Yat Sen was a Nationalist, they typically are not Jєωιѕн dominated in anyway since they place their values and interests of their nation and people above the global (see Jєωιѕн) interests.

    If Sun was a Jєω-stooge then the Chi-coms would've never recieved the support they did from the West and the Soviets that enabled their eventual victory on the Chinese mainland where the Reds rule the day.

    You need to produce a credible source citing Jєωs controlled the Nationalists.


    Can't say I agree with you there, considering modern nationalism itself is a creation of ʝʊdɛօ-Masonry and a product of the Judaic "Enlightenment".

    The Jєωs play both sides, that is well known.

    Sun Yat Sen was controlled by the Jєωs via Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, of which he was a member. He also went on to found several socities based on and affiliated with Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. He had ties with numerous influential Jєωs such as Morris Cohen.

    http://Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.bcy.ca/history/chinese_freemasons/#sun

    Acutally you might have something there, I was referring more to Chiang Kai-shek, a devoted Nationalist and anti-Communist who desperately tried to free the Chinese of Mao-led Red communists of whom Sun was much more cordial and friendly, most likely due in part to his own Western-educated, social-democratic leanings which Chiang more or less rejected and moved away from after Sun's death before the War. Perhaps Chiang's biggest mistake was  briefly allying with the Communists against the Japanese Empire so they could collectively drive the Japs from the continent and work together for the good of post-war China. Of course this never happened and the Chi-coms betrayed the Nationalists and used their Soviet/Jєωιѕн power spheres of influence and drove CKS and the Nationalist off the continent themselves where they created the current nation of Taiwan (Formosa). Communists are never to be trusted, and in this case the West, which was heavily Jєωιѕн influenced, allowed the Reds to have their way in China like they did in Eastern Europe as well after the war.

    Nationalism is putting your people's interests first before any other outside influence, it is in effect in it's essence "anti-Jєωιѕн" because the Jєωs never want a people or culture to be cohesive in nature and independent of Judaic "enlightenment" and influence. The whole Jєωιѕн agenda is to subvert and usurp every nation and culture in order for them to "survive" and roam freely within it until they have used up all their resources and treasure so they can move onto the next victim, the Jєωs are in a constant state of war wherever they may dwell and the only rule that applies is "Is it good for Jєωs"?. They are very clear about this in their тαℓмυdic writings and other works such as the Protocols of Zion, which they will try to convince is a complete fabrication yet the plan laid out in it is being implemented almost to perfection.

    Of course the only real answer to this is the Cross of Christ, Truth revealed.


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    « Reply #44 on: June 24, 2013, 07:12:43 PM »
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    A lot of international law today is a NWO scam, imo. Look at Barbara Streisand.


    What about her?