Another thought occurred to me. If Trump gets in but continues to flip-flop or be liberal on abortion, God may even strike Trump dead e.g. in 2025 or allow an assassination attempt on him to succeed. In that case, Vance would take over immediately, implement Project 2025 (he has praised it) and fight abortionist terrorism (that's what it is) by every legal means possible with a goal toward its ultimate abolition.

Project 2025 is a Christian nationalist platform. Wiki: "Critics have characterized Project 2025 as an authoritarian, Christian nationalist plan to steer the U.S. toward autocracy.[11][13][14][15] Legal experts have said it would undermine the rule of law,[16] separation of powers,[5] separation of church and state,[17] and civil liberties.[5][16][18]". Vance has repeatedly expressed his support of the proposal. Trump is a little lukewarm but mostly only to get the necessary votes to be elected. Vance is a Christian nationalist pro-lifer who rejects separation of Church and State. Traditional Catholics of course know that separation of Church and State is an error condemned by Pius IX.

Something similar has come to my mind as well.  I think, unlike previous recent VP's, he could very well become President before the end of Trump's term.

I have a confession to make. I prayed for Ginsburg to die. I read a theology manual that says it's permissible to pray for someone's death to be hastened if they are doing evil and provided one also prays for them to repent and die in grace.

. I read a theology manual that says it's permissible to pray for someone's death to be hastened if they are doing evil and provided one also prays for them to repent and die in grace. 

Posted the stats that some 41 States have banned or restricted abortion thanks to the huge victory of Dobbs that overturned Roe v Wade. Will find it later on if needed and post it here.

Scroll down to Table 2 on that  Guttmacher Institute webpage. That's where the salient facts are. Look at each of the columns and their explanatory headings as well as the footnotes.

ALL of the states make exception for the life of the mother. However, medical intervention in such cases is NOT "abortion" neither in theological nor in bona fide medical terms. See this recent thread for further discussion of that reality.

Onto the next columns. The only jurisdictions that make no other exceptions are Arkansas, Oklahoma, South Dakota. That's it.

Total current US population is around 340 million. Now figure those three states. AR @ 3M + OK @ 4M + SD @ 929K = approx. 8 million of all ages. So right now, (based on general population rather than the more relevant sub-population of women of child-bearing age) abortion is illegal for only 2% of the US population.

That's what we're dealing with. That's what Dobbs got us. Two percent. That's what those few states had ALREADY through the shrewd use of anti-clinic zoning ordinances, waiting periods, heartbeat laws, professional licensing standards, etc.

In those other 47 states plus District of Columbia, opportunistic loopholes for "general health of the mother", "physical health of the mother", rape, incest, and lethal fetal abnormality allow any pro-abortion doctor -- and in some states even a loosely defined/credentialed "health care practitioner" --  in effect to allow it  on demand for the whole of gestation. Can't get a waiver, travel a couple hours and the deed is done. Or order pills legally through the mail.

As for those fetal abnormality diagnoses, look for citations of how often those test results turnout to be inaccurate. Yet that doesn't stop "health care practitioners" who shame mothers who want to do the right thing and carry to term, and lo and behold, the baby's healthy. Oops averted, as when frightened mothers do abort and more conclusive genetic testing finds nothing abnormal at all.

Bottom line, argue all you want amongst yourselves about the pro life vote and its political utility and election season nuances and whether Trump and Vance are disingenuously playing to the middle when they're really at heart in it for the babies, multi-dimensional chess and all that.

Free will opinion is one thing. But letting the pro-abort cynics trick you into ignoring the DATA and repeating their opportunistic terminology?

And abortion's only one issue. If anyone thinks the PTB aren't bamboozling full spectrum to get acquiescent buy-in for whomever they dump on us next month , then there's no helping those folks. TDS has gone horseshoe.

I guess I'm confused as to why overturning Roe v Wade was the wrong thing to do when pro-lifers fought so hard to make it happen for decades.  Now that it happened, pro-lifers are upset?