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Offline copticruiser

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Its bad in Kiev. But what about venezuala
« on: February 20, 2014, 12:55:30 AM »
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  • No keyboard on this iPad. Just google venezuala riots. So much going on can't hardly keep up with it all.

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    Offline PerEvangelicaDicta

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    Its bad in Kiev. But what about venezuala
    « Reply #1 on: February 20, 2014, 03:37:02 PM »
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  • Another proxy war
    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.de/2013/03/us-plots-conquest-of-venezuela-in-wake.html

    Lots of chatter today in alternative news (talk and websites) regarding Ukraine and Vz - any independent state that will not submit to the globalists with be taken one way or another.   They like do it with lots of blood.


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    Its bad in Kiev. But what about venezuala
    « Reply #2 on: February 20, 2014, 04:50:48 PM »
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  • It's pretty bad, but an autocratic socialist isn't any worse than a democratic socialist.
    Leopoldo Lopez is a total communist.

    I have no idea why people will not freaking learn that socialism and communism never work out. People just end up dead or disappear into thin air. I cannot comprehend why they're even rioting over a choice of 6 or one half dozen.
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."

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    Its bad in Kiev. But what about venezuala
    « Reply #3 on: February 20, 2014, 11:14:09 PM »
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  • Security forces and protesters fought around Venezuela on Thursday in streets blocked by burning barricades and a supporter of socialist President Nicolas Maduro was shot dead, the sixth fatality from more than a week of violence.

    Maduro said a "fascist bullet" killed Alexis Martinez, a brother of a ruling Socialist Party legislator, in the central city of Barquisimeto. A local journalist said Martinez was shot in the chest while passing an opposition protest.

    There have also been scores of injuries and arrests since the violence broke out eight days ago, the most serious unrest since Maduro was narrowly elected in April 2013.

    The protesters, mostly students, want Maduro to resign, and blame his government for violent crime, high inflation, shortages of goods and alleged repression of opponents.

    The most sustained clashes on Thursday were in the western Andean states of Tachira and Merida, which have been especially volatile since hardline opposition leaders called supporters onto the streets in early February.

    In Tachira state capital San Cristobal, which some residents are describing as a "war zone," many businesses remained shut as students and police faced off again in barricaded streets.

    With some residents saying they dared not leave their homes because of the violence, the government said it was taking "special measures" to restore order there.

    "This is not a militarization," Interior Minister Miguel Rodriguez Torres said on state television from San Cristobal. "We are here to work for the great majority of people in Tachira. ... Before we have dialogue, we must have order."

    Maduro says he will not let his rivals turn Tachira into "a Benghazi," referring to the violence-racked Libyan city.

    On Wednesday night, Caracas saw one of the worst bouts of violence since the protests began nearly three weeks ago.

    Around a square in the wealthier east of the city, security forces fired teargas and bullets, chasing youths who hurled Molotov cocktails and blocked roads with burning piles of trash.

    'DON'T GIVE UP!'

    Caracas was much calmer on Thursday, though knots of opposition demonstrators gathered again in the same square, Plaza Altamira. Some businesses stayed closed, a further drag on the already ailing economy.

    The government said a funeral parade for deceased folk singer Simon Diaz, a beloved figure who died on Wednesday aged 85, was held up due to "violent groups" blocking roads.

    Tensions have escalated since opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez, a 42-year-old Harvard-educated economist, turned himself in to troops this week. He is being held in Caracas' Ramo Verde military jail on charges of fomenting the violence.

    "Change depends on every one of us. Don't give up!" Lopez's wife, Lilian Tintori, said on Twitter on Thursday.

    Local TV channels are providing almost no live coverage of the unrest, so Venezuelans are turning to social media to swap information and images. Falsified photos are also circulating.

    Both sides rolled out competing evidence of the latest violence on Thursday. Ruling Socialist Party governors showed photos and video of charred streets and torched vehicles, while the opposition posted footage of brutal behavior which they said was by National Guard troops.

    Protest leaders say soldiers and pro-government armed community groups known as "colectivos" are sometimes shooting at demonstrators, while officials say sharpshooters are targeting pro-Maduro rallies from rooftops and elsewhere.

    Maduro, elected last year to succeed socialist leader Hugo Chavez, says Lopez and "small fascist groups" are in league with the U.S. government and want a coup.

    He has been sharply critical of international media coverage, and on Thursday he warned CNN it risked being kicked out of the country if it did not "rectify" its ways.

    U.S. President Barack Obama has criticized Maduro's government for arresting protesters and urged it to focus on addressing the "legitimate grievances" of its people.

    'GROSS INTERFERENCE'

    That brought a typically scathing response from Caracas. Obama's comments were "a new and gross interference" in its internal affairs, the government said in a statement.

    "Independent governments and the people of the world want the U.S. government to explain why it funds, encourages and defends opposition leaders who promote violence in our country."

    Street protests were the backdrop to a short-lived coup against Chavez in 2002 before military loyalists and supporters helped bring him back. There is no evidence the military, which was the decisive factor in 2002, may turn on Maduro now.

    Countries around Latin America are watching closely. Political allies such as Cuba, which receives Venezuelan oil on preferential terms, have denounced an opposition "coup attempt," while other nations have called for dialogue between the two sides.

    Lopez's defiant stance has won him admiration among opposition supporters frustrated by 15 years of electoral losses, first to Chavez and then to Maduro.

    But detractors call him a dangerous hothead. He has frequently squabbled with fellow opposition leaders and was involved in the 2002 coup, even helping arrest a minister.

    Though the majority of demonstrators have been peaceful, an increasingly prominent radical fringe has been attacking police, blocking roads and vandalizing buildings.

    While the Caracas protests began in middle-class neighborhoods and are still strongest there, sporadic demonstrations have also spread to poorer areas of the city, residents say.

    Rights groups say the police response has been excessive, and some detainees say they were tortured.

    Venezuela's main opposition leader, Henrique Capriles, who lost to Maduro in last year's presidential election, disagrees with Lopez's street tactics but backs protesters' grievances and has condemned the government response.

    "How many more deaths do they want?" he said to reporters on Thursday, urging opposition activists to avoid violence.

    http://news.yahoo.com/venezuela-protesters-troops-clash-death-toll-six-025214058.html

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    Its bad in Kiev. But what about venezuala
    « Reply #4 on: February 23, 2014, 10:16:56 PM »
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  • I've heard stories of mass inflation where the price of goods double every day. That's perhaps the biggest reason why the youth are protesting - they can't even afford the basic necessities because of hyperinflation. When will people learn that socialism always leads to ruin?


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    Its bad in Kiev. But what about venezuala
    « Reply #5 on: February 23, 2014, 11:40:38 PM »
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  •  The violent protests that have roiled Venezuela's major cities and challenged its socialist government have their roots in a little-known incident on a college campus in a city far from the capital.

    Just over a week before the Feb. 12 opposition rallies across Venezuela, students at the University of the Andes in San Cristobal in the border state of Tachira were protesting an attempted rape of a young woman on campus.

    The students were outraged at the brazen assault on their campus, which underscored long-standing complaints about deteriorating security under President Nicolas Maduro and his predecessor, the late Hugo Chavez.

    But what really set them off was the harsh police response to their initial protest, in which several students were detained and allegedly abused, as well as follow-up demonstrations to call for their release, according to students and people who live in the city of San Cristobal.

    "It was shocking not just to students but to all of San Cristobal," said Gaby Arellano, a 27-year-old student leader who has been involved in the national opposition campaign. "It was the straw that broke the camel's back."

    The protests expanded and grew more intense, drawing in more non-students angry about the dismal economy and crime in general, which led to more people being detained. Students at other universities decided to march in Caracas and the protest movement became a nationwide campaign when prominent opposition leaders decided to get involved.

    The main rally on Feb. 12 in the capital turned violent, resulting in three deaths from gunshots and then the jailing of opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez. Now, protests that continued throughout the country Friday, and are particularly fierce in San Cristobal, rarely, if ever, mention the attempted rape.

    "I'm protesting because of the insecurity, for the scarcity and the abuse of power that we have been experiencing," said Maria Garcia, a 30-year-old mother in the Los Agustinos neighborhood of San Cristobal, where patrolling soldiers have strung coils to control protesters who lob rocks and Molotov cocktails. "I'm tired of waiting five or six hours in line for a kilo of flour."

    Today, as the anti-government movement has snowballed into a political crisis, the likes of which Venezuela's socialist leadership hasn't seen since a 2002 coup attempt, San Cristobal remains a hotbed of unrest. Protest rallies are expected throughout the country on Saturday.

    The government on Thursday said it would send paratroopers to aid hundreds of soldiers already in place to restore order and the president has said he would consider imposing martial law in the area.

    Maduro, it should be noted, has a very different version of events in San Cristobal, which is in the western state of Tachira that borders on Colombia.

    Maduro says the city is under siege by right-wing paramilitaries under orders from former Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, who dismisses the allegation as an attempt by the Venezuelan leader to distract people from an economy beset by shortages of basic goods and inflation of more than 56 percent.

    Maduro said Friday that San Cristobal Mayor Daniel Ceballos, a member of the same party as Lopez, would soon join the jailed opposition leader behind bars for fomenting violence. "It's a matter of time until we have him in the same cold cell," Maduro said.

    Residents on Friday tried to resume their normal activities as the smell of burnt trash still lingered. Public transportation has yet to be restored, many stoplights are out and students are gearing up for what they promise will be an extended fight. As warplanes buzz the sky, there is also widespread resentment of the heavy troop presence.

    "Why is the president sending these troops here? As far as I know, the military is supposed to protect Venezuelans, not attack them," said Jose Hernandez, a 31-year-old construction worker.

    San Cristobal, a rural city 400 miles (660 kilometers) from Caracas, would seem an unlikely place to be at the center of a national crisis. But with its disproportionately large student population and longstanding cultural and economic ties with its more conservative neighbor, it has long been an opposition stronghold.

    The state of Tachira, of which San Cristobal is the largest city and capital, was only one of two where opposition candidate Henrique Capriles defeated Hugo Chavez in 2012 presidential elections. Last April, residents of San Cristobal voted nearly 3 to 1 in favor of Capriles in the race against Maduro to elect Chavez's successor.

    Its independent streak may have to do with its isolation, said Arellano, who grew up in Tachira.

    "I think people in Tachira have always stood against abuses and being trampled," she said.

    http://news.yahoo.com/venezuelan-violence-roots-obscure-incident-014737295.html?vp=1

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    Its bad in Kiev. But what about venezuala
    « Reply #6 on: February 24, 2014, 02:51:15 AM »
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  • Cardinal Jorge Urosa Savino of Caracas said the Church is willing to help establish peace in Venezuela, but reminded the government of its duty to rein in armed groups that are violently disrupting peaceful demonstrations.

    “There are armed groups that don't seem to belong to the security forces of the State. Why are they acting with impunity when the government is in charge of arms control? The government need to rein in these groups,” he told Venezuelan television Feb. 20.

    Cardinal Urosa noted that the constitution protects the right to publicly demonstrate, as long as it is done in a peaceful manner.

    He also lamented the death of the 21-year-old model Genesis Carmona in Valencia when an armed group attacked a demonstration.

    The Church is against any attempt to overthrow the State, the cardinal clarified, and the bishops “are willing to take part in any effort to achieve peace.”

    “We don't have any weapons besides our words for inviting people to abandon violent attitudes, pride and anger. This needs to be eradicated from our hearts,” he said.

    A week of demonstrations in Venezuela has left seven people reported dead in various cities, particularly Caracas and Valencia. Opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez remains in a military prison outside the capital after being detained Feb. 19.

    Criticism is also mounting over the discontinuing of medical treatment for Father Jose Palmar, who was beaten by police officers and National Guard soldiers this week after he tried to prevent them from attacking a group of students who were demonstrating in the city of Maracaibo.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/venezuela-cardinal-asks-government-to-rein-in-armed-groups/

    Offline John Grace

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    Its bad in Kiev. But what about venezuala
    « Reply #7 on: February 24, 2014, 02:55:15 PM »
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  • A few hundred Venezuelan's had a protest in London at the weekend.I came across their protest whilst out walking.


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    Its bad in Kiev. But what about venezuala
    « Reply #8 on: March 14, 2014, 04:14:56 AM »
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  • Amid civil unrest in Venezuela, churches have been attacked.

    “Some churches that are located in places where the conflict was high were attacked by violent groups,” said an official of the bishops’ conference.

    According to a Fides news agency report, a church in Mérida, a city of 200,000, was attacked during the celebration of Mass. In Maracaibo, the nation’s second-largest city, security forces beat a priest.

    In Aragua State, vandals broke into a parish, destroyed the tabernacle, and threw the consecrated hosts to the ground. El Periodiquito, a Venezuelan newspaper, reported that the altar was destroyed and that human waste was left at the site of the tabernacle. The newspaper reported that “common criminals,” who remain at large, are suspected in the nighttime attack.

    The Church leadership in Venezuela has frequently been at odds with the government since the rise of the regime led by the late Hugo Chavez.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=20751

    Offline PerEvangelicaDicta

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    Its bad in Kiev. But what about venezuala
    « Reply #9 on: March 15, 2014, 12:19:42 PM »
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  • The Church in Vz is just as novus ordo awful as the rest of the world.  Masses in South America are especially unrecognizable as Catholic. I lived there.  
    Vz and the rest of the world is disintegrating because the Church became a prot/ʝʊdɛօ/masonic influenced cabal and abdicated it's responsibilities to the salvation of souls.

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    Its bad in Kiev. But what about venezuala
    « Reply #10 on: March 19, 2014, 12:18:53 AM »
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  • A squad of motorcycle-mounted police wheels into an intersection newly seized from student protesters in a barrage of tear gas in eastern Caracas' wealthy Chacao district, an important center of resistance to Venezuela's socialist-led government.

    From a side street, a young man in a phosphorescent green hockey mask and a white T-shirt advances, his throwing hand sheathed in a fire-retardant glove for returning tear-gas canisters.

    The young man struts and taunts the cops, accompanied by comrades behind a makeshift metal shield with "SOS" painted on it. Gunpowder charges explode near the police. The officers retreat. But the withdrawal is tactical. Seconds later, a different set of motorcycle police in body armor roars uphill into the intersection, giving chase. Startled parrots scatter from a tree.

    The police screech to a halt. A metal chain blocks the side street, and the masked youth escapes, while an audience inside an upmarket clothing store stays glued to the plate-glass windows. Officers take down the chain, but as soon as they leave two middle-aged men run out of an office building and stretch it back across the street.

    In a month of almost daily street protests, a certain crude choreography between the opposing forces has emerged in this neighborhood that is ground zero for Venezuela's worst unrest in more than a decade. Several hundred hard-core young people gather, erect barricades and hurl rocks, bottles and fireworks at police. Officers advance firing tear gas and plastic shotgun pellets to disperse the youths, drawing catcalls from people in apartment high-rises.

    Painted on a wall near Altamira Square, where the protesters gather, is a motto from jailed opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez that they have embraced: "He who tires first, loses."

    The government claims these are all spoiled rich kids. But an informal census suggests hard-core protesters are increasingly from lower-middle-class and poor neighborhoods and are as fed up as anybody with the country's chronic shortages of staple food items, 56 percent inflation, runaway violent crime and lousy job prospects.

    "I can't go out and protest in my neighborhood," said Vi Dibrahim Torrealba, a 29-year-old medical student from Catia, a working-class district. Why? Armed pro-government motorcycle gangs won't allow it, he and others say.

    "The shortages affect me more than the rich," said Any Salazar, a 20-year-old communications student from Petare, Latin America's biggest slum. Crime, too. "I've been robbed three times this year."

    The protesters are mostly male but include young women. A few use gas masks but others sport alternatives. White dust masks, ski and swim googles are employed. So are homespun solutions for the sting of tear gas, which can penetrate clothes. One is Maalox and water, sprayed on the eyes. Some coat their faces in toothpaste or slather Vicks VapoRub on their nostrils. Masks are common to protect identities and prevent reprisal. The Venezuelan flag is a popular accessory.

    There has been vandalism, though little of it wanton. Protesters break apart walls for rocks and raid construction sites for barricade material. On Sunday, some burned a bus kiosk.

    President Nicolas Maduro blames the protesters for several deaths, including a motorcyclist who rode into a cable strung across a street and an elderly woman that officials say died en route to the hospital because of traffic snarled by barricades. The government says 21 people have died since the protest wave began Feb. 12

    Most marches are peaceful, such as one Monday in the capital by doctors upset over acute shortages of medicines and medical supplies, but extremists on both sides have exacerbated tensions.

    The western city of San Cristobal has been especially restive. A student leader was killed there Monday night by a gunshot to the chest, Mayor Daniel Ceballos reported. National Guardsmen had battled protesters all day after attacking and dismantling barricades at key intersections. Ceballos said the city of about 600,000 people was "pretty well paralyzed."

    Chacao's residents aren't experiencing anything like the mayhem of San Cristobal, But many are less than thrilled by the inconveniences of playing host to nightly street battles: blocked streets, upturned sewer grates, fetid plastic bags of burned garbage.

    They nevertheless happily take up collections and provide food, Maalox, eye drops and protective masks to the protesters.

    "Who wants water!" shouts Vivian, 26-year-old sporting a Mexican wrestler's leopard skin-patterned Lucha Libre mask and stylish sneakers. She jogs around handing out bottled water and cookies as tear gas canisters fall nearby.

    Vivian won't give her last name for fear of reprisal. She's from money but says class doesn't matter in this struggle: "We are fighting because we are all living poorly."

    http://news.yahoo.com/venezuela-unrest-plays-daily-upscale-area-124755354.html


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    « Reply #11 on: March 19, 2014, 02:36:54 AM »
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  •  Cardinal Jorge Urosa Savino of Caracas, Venezuela, called on the faithful to intensify their prayers during Lent for God to rid Venezuela of violence, as the death toll from recent protests continues to rise.

    “I want to ask you to pray a lot for Venezuela this Lent, that Venezuelans can resolve our problems peacefully, with everyone seeking the common good,” Cardinal Urosa said in his Lenten message.

    “Regardless of the political sympathies of each person, Catholics need to banish hatred, bitterness and revenge from our hearts.”

    Student protests began across the nation's cities early in February but escalated when three people were killed. The National Guard has been criticized for an unnecessarily strong response to demonstrators, who are urging greater protection of freedom of speech, better security and an end to goods shortages. The current reported death toll stands at 29.

    The cardinal noted that the Venezuelan bishops have made continuous calls to stop the escalation of violence.  

    “We reject violence, wherever it comes from,” he said. “We call on the government to respect the right of citizens to protest, and we ask that it respond to the requests of those who are protesting and provide solutions to the root of the problems.”

    Cardinal Urosa added that the bishops have called for sanctions against those who have broken the law during protests.

    He also exhorted Venezuelans to fulfill their civil duties “in accord with our consciences, but let us do so keeping in mind what the Lord says in the Sermon on the Mount: ‘Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father’.”

    “Let us remove hatred and bitterness from our hearts and let us truly live in love. No to violence!” he emphasized.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/cardinal-encourages-lenten-prayers-for-venezuela/

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    « Reply #12 on: April 04, 2014, 03:10:43 AM »
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  • The Catholic bishops of Venezuela have accused the government of “brutal repression” of political protesters, rekindling a long-term conflict between the Catholic hierarchy and the government.

    Archbishop Diego Padron Sanchez of cuмana, the president of the Venezuelan bishops’ conference, said that the regime of President Nicolas Maduro is promoting “a totalitarian-style system of government, putting in doubt its democratic credentials.”

    The Catholic bishops of Venezuela clashed frequently with the late Hugo Chavez, whose government the prelates accused of the same totalitarian tendencies.


    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=21000

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    « Reply #13 on: February 21, 2015, 03:17:51 AM »
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  • A Venezuelan archbishop has said that the arrest of a leading political figure is evidence of dictatorial control, and the destruction of democratic rule in Venezuela.

    Archbishop Roberto Lückert spoke out after Mayor Antonio Ledezma was taken into custody by police. President Nicolas Maduro claimed that Ledezma had been involved in an attempted coup.

    Ledezma had signed a statement calling for the installation of a transition government to address a growing economic crisis in Venezuela. He had been joined in that statement by Leopoldo Lopez, the head of the political opposition—who is now also in prison.

    Archbishop Lückert told the Fides news service that the Maduro government, which inherited its power from the late Hugo Chavez—is “trampling every rule of law.”

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=24107