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Offline Incredulous

Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2020, 09:47:36 AM »
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on September 16, 2020, 05:14:39 AM

This is from Saint Alphonsus’s “School of Christian Perfection“:

 “ St. Jane de Chantal says: “In our neighbor we must direct our attention to the good and not to the evil. And if it should happen that we deceive ourselves by regarding as good what in reality is bad, we need not be disturbed, for St. Augustine says, charity is not grieved when by mistake it attributes something good to one who is evil.””

This is very good and we should really attempt to embed it in our mental processes for dealing in charity with others.  :incense:



However, on the topic of double-dealing tyrants who are out to destroy whole populations, other rules of Catholic morality come into play.
There comes a time when it is moral to remove the tyrant(s).

I heard a trad priest recently apply this concept to the leaders of Oregon's social collapse situation and the conclusion was "removal" applied there.

Also, there's one historical instance of attempted tyrannicide that has always intrigued me and that was the case of Catholic Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg, who nearly removed Adolf Hitler from office.



IMHO, at the very least, it was good that he tried, since this act revealed and gave some redeeming quality to the German people's true sentiments.

Now, St. Thomas Aquinas, Bp. Williamson and David Irving may not like Colonel von Stauffenberg's assassination attempt, but more recently, I heard Father Ripperger state that the Colonel, in due conscience went to his Bishop at the time to ask if his desperate plan was going to doom him to Hell?

The Bishop, reportedly said "No", that this was a case where many souls were at stake and the morality of tyrannicide applied for Hitler.
I have no other sources for this and it would take some time to recover the lecture Father Ripperger gave.

Any rebuttals would be appreciated.
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Offline Incredulous

Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2020, 09:55:20 AM »
Quote from: alaric on September 15, 2020, 04:38:19 PM
Trump Playing Them or Us? Video

This video is great Alaric!

Thanks for posting it.


Ah, the Irish... they have a God given gift of a hound dog's nose for the jew and his evil tricks :incense:
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2020, 09:57:44 AM »
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Catholic Colonel Claude von Stauffenberg, who nearly removed Adolf Hitler from office.

Not only was he a Colonel, but he was of the nobility, who was akin to a governor/mayor, who was responsible for the welfare of hundreds of people in his lands.  After the monarchy was abolished, the nobility slowly lost its power too.  Those that tried to remove Adolf from power were mostly noblemen who had the duty, training and legal standing to do so.  Morally speaking, this would suffice, in order to bring back "law and order" of former times.  But, in addition, they were trying to bring back the monarchy, so no one can charge that they were getting rid of Adolf for their own political gain. 
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The fact that the attempt failed, in an extraordinary way, leads one to believe that, in spite of their good efforts, it was God's permissive will that Adolf stay in power, maybe for reasons of punishment on the Germans (and the rest of the world) for the growing immorality that was rampant before, during and after WW1.  And only got worse after WW2. 
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Offline Incredulous

Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2020, 10:03:13 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on September 16, 2020, 09:57:44 AM
Not only was he a Colonel, but he was of the nobility, who was akin to a governor/mayor, who was responsible for the welfare of hundreds of people in his lands.  After the monarchy was abolished, the nobility slowly lost its power too.  Those that tried to remove Adolf from power were mostly noblemen who had the duty, training and legal standing to do so.  Morally speaking, this would suffice, in order to bring back "law and order" of former times.  But, in addition, they were trying to bring back the monarchy, so no one can charge that they were getting rid of Adolf for their own political gain.  
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The fact that the attempt failed, in an extraordinary way, leads one to believe that, in spite of their good efforts, it was God's permissive will that Adolf stay in power, maybe for reasons of punishment on the Germans (and the rest of the world) for the growing immorality that was rampant before, during and after WW1.  And only got worse after WW2.

The Colonel's plan was so incredibly ambitious and it almost worked, but for the sins of cowardice and inaction by his fellow officers.



His last words: "Long live Holy Germany!"
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Offline josefamenendez

Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2020, 10:37:37 AM »
Quote from: Incredulous on September 16, 2020, 09:47:36 AM
This is very good and we should really attempt to embed it in our mental processes for dealing in charity with others.  :incense:



However, on the topic of double-dealing tyrants who are out to destroy whole populations, other rules of Catholic morality come into play.
There comes a time when it is moral to remove the tyrant(s).

I heard a trad priest recently apply this concept to the leaders of Oregon's social collapse situation and the conclusion was "removal" applied there.

Also, there's one historical instance of attempted tyrannicide that has always intrigued me and that was the case of Catholic Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg, who nearly removed Adolf Hitler from office.



IMHO, at the very least, it was good that he tried, since this act revealed and gave some redeeming quality to the German people's true sentiments.

Now, St. Thomas Aquinas, Bp. Williamson and David Irving may not like Colonel von Stauffenberg's assassination attempt, but more recently, I heard Father Ripperger state that the Colonel, in due conscience went to his Bishop at the time to ask if his desperate plan was going to doom him to Hell?

The Bishop, reportedly said "No", that this was a case where many souls were at stake and the morality of tyrannicide applied for Hitler.
I have no other sources for this and it would take some time to recover the lecture Father Ripperger gave.

Any rebuttals would be appreciated.
No rebuttals here, but certainly not an isolated theory, It just proves that killing abortion "doctors" to prevent the mass murdering of he unborn is right and just. God bless the bravery of Paul Hill and all of the others  who gave their lives in the  attempt to stop the killing May they be richly rewarded  for their selflessness and sacrifice.
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