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Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
« on: September 14, 2020, 07:12:30 PM »
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  • This is one thing that's really been bothering me about Trump, all this "vax" talk.

    Well that and his semitiphilia.

    But we don't have much choice at this point.

    ">://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--oJkV07TgM

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    Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
    « Reply #1 on: September 14, 2020, 07:29:51 PM »
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    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
    « Reply #2 on: September 15, 2020, 04:37:00 PM »
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    « Reply #3 on: September 15, 2020, 04:38:19 PM »
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    Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
    « Reply #4 on: September 16, 2020, 05:14:39 AM »
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  • This is one thing that's really been bothering me about Trump, all this "vax" talk.

    Well that and his semitiphilia.

    But we don't have much choice at this point.

    ">://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--oJkV07TgM
    Yes, that video bothers me too. I still contend that he would have to be a great actor to pull this off, he isn’t. One other thing that gives me pause is the fact that the conspirators picked Biden. He is perhaps the worst candidate the Democrats could “choose”, thus the easiest for Trump to beat. In any event, if I am wrong about him, he is the only shot we have, humanly speaking, to stop this madness.
    So, if I am wrong about Trump and have to eat crow, that will be the least I will have to worry about.
    This is from Saint Alphonsus’s “School of Christian Perfection“:
     “ St. Jane de Chantal says: “In our neighbor we must direct our attention to the good and not to the evil. And if it should happen that we deceive ourselves by regarding as good what in reality is bad, we need not be disturbed, for St. Augustine says, charity is not grieved when by mistake it attributes something good to one who is evil.””
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
    « Reply #5 on: September 16, 2020, 09:47:36 AM »
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  • This is from Saint Alphonsus’s “School of Christian Perfection“:

     “ St. Jane de Chantal says: “In our neighbor we must direct our attention to the good and not to the evil. And if it should happen that we deceive ourselves by regarding as good what in reality is bad, we need not be disturbed, for St. Augustine says, charity is not grieved when by mistake it attributes something good to one who is evil.””

    This is very good and we should really attempt to embed it in our mental processes for dealing in charity with others.  :incense:



    However, on the topic of double-dealing tyrants who are out to destroy whole populations, other rules of Catholic morality come into play.
    There comes a time when it is moral to remove the tyrant(s).

    I heard a trad priest recently apply this concept to the leaders of Oregon's social collapse situation and the conclusion was "removal" applied there.

    Also, there's one historical instance of attempted tyrannicide that has always intrigued me and that was the case of Catholic Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg, who nearly removed Adolf Hitler from office.



    IMHO, at the very least, it was good that he tried, since this act revealed and gave some redeeming quality to the German people's true sentiments.

    Now, St. Thomas Aquinas, Bp. Williamson and David Irving may not like Colonel von Stauffenberg's assassination attempt, but more recently, I heard Father Ripperger state that the Colonel, in due conscience went to his Bishop at the time to ask if his desperate plan was going to doom him to Hell?

    The Bishop, reportedly said "No", that this was a case where many souls were at stake and the morality of tyrannicide applied for Hitler.
    I have no other sources for this and it would take some time to recover the lecture Father Ripperger gave.

    Any rebuttals would be appreciated.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
    « Reply #6 on: September 16, 2020, 09:55:20 AM »
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    This video is great Alaric!

    Thanks for posting it.


    Ah, the Irish... they have a God given gift of a hound dog's nose for the jew and his evil tricks :incense:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
    « Reply #7 on: September 16, 2020, 09:57:44 AM »
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    Catholic Colonel Claude von Stauffenberg, who nearly removed Adolf Hitler from office.

    Not only was he a Colonel, but he was of the nobility, who was akin to a governor/mayor, who was responsible for the welfare of hundreds of people in his lands.  After the monarchy was abolished, the nobility slowly lost its power too.  Those that tried to remove Adolf from power were mostly noblemen who had the duty, training and legal standing to do so.  Morally speaking, this would suffice, in order to bring back "law and order" of former times.  But, in addition, they were trying to bring back the monarchy, so no one can charge that they were getting rid of Adolf for their own political gain. 
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    The fact that the attempt failed, in an extraordinary way, leads one to believe that, in spite of their good efforts, it was God's permissive will that Adolf stay in power, maybe for reasons of punishment on the Germans (and the rest of the world) for the growing immorality that was rampant before, during and after WW1.  And only got worse after WW2. 


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    Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
    « Reply #8 on: September 16, 2020, 10:03:13 AM »
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  • Not only was he a Colonel, but he was of the nobility, who was akin to a governor/mayor, who was responsible for the welfare of hundreds of people in his lands.  After the monarchy was abolished, the nobility slowly lost its power too.  Those that tried to remove Adolf from power were mostly noblemen who had the duty, training and legal standing to do so.  Morally speaking, this would suffice, in order to bring back "law and order" of former times.  But, in addition, they were trying to bring back the monarchy, so no one can charge that they were getting rid of Adolf for their own political gain.  
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    The fact that the attempt failed, in an extraordinary way, leads one to believe that, in spite of their good efforts, it was God's permissive will that Adolf stay in power, maybe for reasons of punishment on the Germans (and the rest of the world) for the growing immorality that was rampant before, during and after WW1.  And only got worse after WW2.

    The Colonel's plan was so incredibly ambitious and it almost worked, but for the sins of cowardice and inaction by his fellow officers.



    His last words: "Long live Holy Germany!"
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
    « Reply #9 on: September 16, 2020, 10:37:37 AM »
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  • This is very good and we should really attempt to embed it in our mental processes for dealing in charity with others.  :incense:



    However, on the topic of double-dealing tyrants who are out to destroy whole populations, other rules of Catholic morality come into play.
    There comes a time when it is moral to remove the tyrant(s).

    I heard a trad priest recently apply this concept to the leaders of Oregon's social collapse situation and the conclusion was "removal" applied there.

    Also, there's one historical instance of attempted tyrannicide that has always intrigued me and that was the case of Catholic Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg, who nearly removed Adolf Hitler from office.



    IMHO, at the very least, it was good that he tried, since this act revealed and gave some redeeming quality to the German people's true sentiments.

    Now, St. Thomas Aquinas, Bp. Williamson and David Irving may not like Colonel von Stauffenberg's assassination attempt, but more recently, I heard Father Ripperger state that the Colonel, in due conscience went to his Bishop at the time to ask if his desperate plan was going to doom him to Hell?

    The Bishop, reportedly said "No", that this was a case where many souls were at stake and the morality of tyrannicide applied for Hitler.
    I have no other sources for this and it would take some time to recover the lecture Father Ripperger gave.

    Any rebuttals would be appreciated.
    No rebuttals here, but certainly not an isolated theory, It just proves that killing abortion "doctors" to prevent the mass murdering of he unborn is right and just. God bless the bravery of Paul Hill and all of the others  who gave their lives in the  attempt to stop the killing May they be richly rewarded  for their selflessness and sacrifice.

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    Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
    « Reply #10 on: September 16, 2020, 04:12:30 PM »
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  • Well I guess that comment will avoid the ten foot pole


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    Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
    « Reply #11 on: September 16, 2020, 04:20:04 PM »
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  • Well I guess that comment will avoid the ten foot pole

    He was not well liked here before his ban but I remember ggreg saying he writes letters to and sends money to such people in prison.
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    Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
    « Reply #12 on: September 16, 2020, 04:37:56 PM »
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  • I understand that. It's just that the circumstances are analogous except that abortionists kill millions more than Hitler ever dreamed of. Nobody should randomly kill anyone, but if there is no other way to subdue a murderer that you know for a fact will be killing innocents then the brave ones who step up should be commended, not shunned. 
    That's ok Matto. I always know how to end a thread! lol
    Thanks for posting

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    Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
    « Reply #13 on: September 18, 2020, 03:16:35 PM »
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  • This video is great Alaric!

    Thanks for posting it.


    Ah, the Irish... they have a God given gift of a hound dog's nose for the jew and his evil tricks :incense:
    Yes, I have heard once that the Irish don't know when to quit.
    thank God for that sometimes!

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    Re: Is Trump Playing Them or Us?
    « Reply #14 on: September 18, 2020, 03:39:34 PM »
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  • This is very good and we should really attempt to embed it in our mental processes for dealing in charity with others.  :incense:



    However, on the topic of double-dealing tyrants who are out to destroy whole populations, other rules of Catholic morality come into play.
    There comes a time when it is moral to remove the tyrant(s).

    I heard a trad priest recently apply this concept to the leaders of Oregon's social collapse situation and the conclusion was "removal" applied there.

    Also, there's one historical instance of attempted tyrannicide that has always intrigued me and that was the case of Catholic Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg, who nearly removed Adolf Hitler from office.



    IMHO, at the very least, it was good that he tried, since this act revealed and gave some redeeming quality to the German people's true sentiments.

    Now, St. Thomas Aquinas, Bp. Williamson and David Irving may not like Colonel von Stauffenberg's assassination attempt, but more recently, I heard Father Ripperger state that the Colonel, in due conscience went to his Bishop at the time to ask if his desperate plan was going to doom him to Hell?

    The Bishop, reportedly said "No", that this was a case where many souls were at stake and the morality of tyrannicide applied for Hitler.
    I have no other sources for this and it would take some time to recover the lecture Father Ripperger gave.

    Any rebuttals would be appreciated.
    Interesting assessment about the Colonel, granted it's from Wiki;


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_von_Stauffenberg


    Assessment[edit]


    One of the few surviving members of the German resistance, Hans Bernd Gisevius portrays Colonel Stauffenberg, whom he met in July 1944, as a man driven by reasons which had little to do with Christian ideals or repugnance of Nazi ideology. In his autobiographical Bis zum bitteren Ende ("To the Bitter End"), Gisevius writes:
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    Stauffenberg wanted to retain all the totalitarian, militaristic and socialistic elements of National Socialism (p. 504). What he had in mind was the salvation of Germany by military men who could break with corruption and maladministration, provide an orderly military government and inspire the people to make one last great effort. Reduced to a formula, he wanted the nation to remain soldierly and become socialistic (p. 503).
    Stauffenberg was motivated by the impulsive passions of the disillusioned military man whose eyes had been opened by the defeat of German arms (p. 510). Stauffenberg had shifted to the rebel side only after Stalingrad (p. 512).
    The difference between Stauffenberg, Helldorf and Schulenburg – all of them counts – was that Helldorf had come to the Nazi Movement as a primitive, I might almost say an unpolitical revolutionary. The other two had been attracted primarily by a political ideology. Therefore, it was possible for Helldorf to throw everything overboard at once: Hitler, the Party, the entire system. Stauffenberg, Schulenberg and their clique wanted to drop no more ballast than was absolutely necessary; then they would paint the ship of state a military gray and set it afloat again (p. 513–514).[52]
    Historian Peter Hoffman questions Gisevius's evaluations based on the latter's brief acquaintance with Stauffenberg, misreporting of Stauffenberg's actions, and apparent rivalry with him:
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    Gisevius met Stauffenberg for the first time in Berlin on July 12, 1944, eight days before the colonel's last assassination attempt against Hitler. ... In view of Gisevius's own record as a transmitter of historical information for which he had displayed strong personal feelings, and in light of what is known about both Gisevius's alleged sources and Stauffenberg himself, Gisevius's account is at best questionable hearsay. Gisevius disliked Stauffenberg. He sensed that this dynamic leader would be an obstacle to his own far-reaching ambitions and intrigues. In his book he mocked Stauffenberg as a presumptuous and ignorant amateur. ... Stauffenberg must have been informed of Gisevius's background and it cannot have inspired his confidence. Gisevius was understandably upset by Stauffenberg's attitude toward him. ... Stauffenberg seemed to regard him merely as an incidental source of background information.[53]


     

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