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Is it Morally Permissible To Vote During The Upcoming Election?
« on: October 07, 2020, 08:37:54 AM »
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  • With both presidential candidates espousing support for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, war hungry Israel, Jєωs & Judaism, abortion (Biden), and overall social immorality, is it even morally permissible to vote this election? Would it be a mortal sin?

    What are your thoughts?
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    Re: Is it Morally Permissible To Vote During The Upcoming Election?
    « Reply #1 on: October 07, 2020, 09:41:45 AM »
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  • With both presidential candidates espousing support for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, war hungry Israel, Jєωs & Judaism, abortion (Biden), and overall social immorality, is it even morally permissible to vote this election? Would it be a mortal sin?

    What are your thoughts?
    It is not morally permissible to vote for any abortionist. So Catholics can't vote for Biden.

    So, the question becomes is it morally permissible to vote for a presidential candidate espousing support for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, war hungry Israel, Jєωs & Judaism?

    I am voting for Trump despite his espousing support for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, war hungry Israel, Jєωs & Judaism. If Biden wins, we will go on a fast track train into abortion, Euthanasia, forced killer vaccines, population control, gun confiscation and  total slavery. Not much of a choice. At least Trump gives us some time to breathe for a good pope to come and rescue the world, or Trump's conversion.  

    It is only by God's Will that Trump or Biden wins. 
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    Re: Is it Morally Permissible To Vote During The Upcoming Election?
    « Reply #2 on: October 07, 2020, 09:59:02 AM »
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  • Vote for Trump.

    Biden and the Democrats will bring great evils to the country and the world.

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    Re: Is it Morally Permissible To Vote During The Upcoming Election?
    « Reply #3 on: October 07, 2020, 04:50:39 PM »
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  • Vote for Trump.

    Biden and the Democrats will bring great evils to the country and the world.
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    Of course it's morally permissible to vote in this election.
    We're at a crossroads. It's actually quite imperative.

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    Re: Is it Morally Permissible To Vote During The Upcoming Election?
    « Reply #4 on: October 07, 2020, 08:30:12 PM »
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  • Yes, it’s morally permissible if it’s morally permissible to vote for one immoral candidate to prevent an even more immoral candidate from winning.  


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    Re: Is it Morally Permissible To Vote During The Upcoming Election?
    « Reply #5 on: October 08, 2020, 10:32:07 AM »
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  • It is not morally permissible to vote for any abortionist. So Catholics can't vote for Biden.

    So, the question becomes is it morally permissible to vote for a presidential candidate espousing support for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, war hungry Israel, Jєωs & Judaism?

    I am voting for Trump despite his espousing support for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, war hungry Israel, Jєωs & Judaism. If Biden wins, we will go on a fast track train into abortion, Euthanasia, forced killer vaccines, population control, gun confiscation and  total slavery. Not much of a choice. At least Trump gives us some time to breathe for a good pope to come and rescue the world, or Trump's conversion.  

    It is only by God's Will that Trump or Biden wins.
    It is every voter's duty to stay informed.  Information proves there is no lesser of two evils in this POTUS race.  Trump just funded Bill Gate's GAVI population control foundation to the tune of 12 Billion dollars after the WHO's top guns moved to GAVI from the WHO.  WHO and GAVI have the same agenda, but if you don't know what that is, know that Bill Gates is the founder of GAVI. The 12 Billion from Trump to Bill Gates exceeds by far money given by Obama's 600 million to WHO.  GAVI funds abortion, birth control and sterilizing vaccines under the guise of health care in third world countries, and it has Agenda 30 goals for reducing population worldwide.  So, on the US side, Trump is a saint.  Out the backdoor he's RBG.  Biden and Trump are both pro gαy, and Trump's daughter Ivanka is pushing hard for world wide vaccines for every person. Trump's son-in-law is working for Israel's interests with connections to huge sums of money through Trump. Trump and the rest of the Billionaires have increased their net worth up to 50% in the last 6 months thanks to Covid, while the money they stole was the last change in people's pockets. Anyone who thinks Trump is good, is caught up in the game of politics and banks on phantom gains, ignoring the bigger picture.  Trump is using the most advanced techniques in politics: Play your constituents like a fiddle and you'll have no opposition to what you're really up to.  If people voted their consciences for real, they could not vote for either candidate, but ought to go home and pray like never before.        

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    Re: Is it Morally Permissible To Vote During The Upcoming Election?
    « Reply #6 on: October 08, 2020, 03:14:11 PM »
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  • Yes, it is morally permissible.  Here is an article explaining the principles of moral theology on which this conclusion is based:  https://novusordowatch.org/2020/09/morality-of-voting-permissible-lesser-of-two-evils/

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    Re: Is it Morally Permissible To Vote During The Upcoming Election?
    « Reply #7 on: October 08, 2020, 03:51:08 PM »
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  • With both presidential candidates espousing support for ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, war hungry Israel, Jєωs & Judaism, abortion (Biden), and overall social immorality, is it even morally permissible to vote this election? Would it be a mortal sin?

    What are your thoughts?

    Of course it's permissible to vote.

    Or do you mean vote for either Trump or Biden?

    I hold that a Catholic cannot vote for either of these two.

    There's a Constitution Party candidate and voters can also write someone in.  I tend to write in Pat Buchanan.

    Trump promotes sodomy and the funding for Planned Parenthood increased by a record amount under Trump.  This support for Planned Parenthood undermines the argument from double effect that might otherwise justify a vote for Trump despite his promotion of sodomy.


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    Re: Is it Morally Permissible To Vote During The Upcoming Election?
    « Reply #8 on: October 08, 2020, 03:54:08 PM »
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  • Of course it's permissible to vote.

    Or do you mean vote for either Trump or Biden?

    I hold that a Catholic cannot vote for either of these two.

    There's a Constitution Party candidate and voters can also write someone in.  I tend to write in Pat Buchanan.

    Trump promotes sodomy and the funding for Planned Parenthood increased by a record amount under Trump.  This support for Planned Parenthood undermines the argument from double effect that might otherwise justify a vote for Trump despite his promotion of sodomy.
    I meant during this upcoming election due to both Biden & Trump holding to deeply immoral policies, visions, and actions.
    The more I read about President Trump, the more I come to agree with your view. I think, ultimately, it is better to sit this one out as a Catholic.
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    Re: Is it Morally Permissible To Vote During The Upcoming Election?
    « Reply #9 on: October 08, 2020, 03:55:09 PM »
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  • Yes, it is morally permissible.  Here is an article explaining the principles of moral theology on which this conclusion is based:  https://novusordowatch.org/2020/09/morality-of-voting-permissible-lesser-of-two-evils/

    This article is immediately discredited by the use of the term "lesser of two evils".  That is alien to the fundamental principles of Catholic moral theology.

    It bases the opinion on the ramblings of a Modernist from the 1950s which makes no consideration regarding the principle of double effect, the only principle by which one can do something that has an unintended evil outcome, but argues from purely utilitarian principles.  One major flaw with Novus Ordo Watch is that they tend to subscribe to "Fifties-ism," believing that everything written before the magical year 1958 is automatically orthodox and authoritative, whereas the decay in Catholic theology was already far advanced by then.

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    Re: Is it Morally Permissible To Vote During The Upcoming Election?
    « Reply #10 on: October 08, 2020, 03:58:34 PM »
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  • I meant during this upcoming election due to both Biden & Trump holding to deeply immoral policies, visions, and actions.
    The more I read about President Trump, the more I come to agree with your view. I think, ultimately, it is better to sit this one out as a Catholic.

    As I said, one can always vote, but I personally do not believe I can in good conscience vote for either Biden or Trump.  I might write in Pat Buchanan.  That would be voting.  I have no authority, of course, to bind anyone's conscience, but this is the decision I have come to by the application of Catholic moral principles.

    Given the Trump administration's record funding of Planned Parenthood, that makes him responsible for murder, and the principle of double effect no longer applies.  One cannot commit even a single murder in order to prevent an infinitely greater number or murders.


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    Re: Is it Morally Permissible To Vote During The Upcoming Election?
    « Reply #11 on: October 08, 2020, 04:02:58 PM »
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  • Plus, both Biden and Trump are vaccination apostles.

    And the fact that the forthcoming COVID19 vaccines will likely be produced with abortive stem cell lines (which Vigano, Burke, Strickland, and Schneider say can never be used) adds another layer or moral murkiness to the whole thing.

    Or does it?  I note the same Vigano who supports Trump, is the same Vigano who says we can never use abortive vaccines.

    Can anyone work that one out?
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    Re: Is it Morally Permissible To Vote During The Upcoming Election?
    « Reply #12 on: October 08, 2020, 04:06:29 PM »
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  • As far as I'm concerned, unless you live in a swing state, the issue is moot. 
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    Re: Is it Morally Permissible To Vote During The Upcoming Election?
    « Reply #13 on: October 08, 2020, 04:08:37 PM »
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  • And the fact that the forthcoming COVID19 vaccines will likely be produced with abortive stem cell lines (which Vigano, Burke, Strickland, and Schneider say can never be used) adds another layer or moral murkiness to the whole thing.
    I have heard that some of the vaccines are from aborted fetal cells, and other vaccines change your DNA in some way. So our choice is to either cooperate in abortion or become trans-human. In that case if one had to choose either of those vaccines, which would  be worse?
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    Re: Is it Morally Permissible To Vote During The Upcoming Election?
    « Reply #14 on: October 08, 2020, 04:09:10 PM »
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  • As far as I'm concerned, unless you live in a swing state, the issue is moot.
    You never know. No one expected Michigan and Wisconsin to flip; they were most certainly not considered swing states.