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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Trump aggressively pushing Pro-Life
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2019, 07:48:47 AM »
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    It is never necessary to kill the child in order to treat the mother. ... There's a huge difference between allowing a child to pass away naturally inside or outside the womb vs. ripping the baby apart inside the womb and extracting the body piece by piece.
    I agree that this is a loophole, but this could also be a semantics game.  There are medical cases where, as you pointed out, the child dies because of a medical procedure performed to save the mother.  This is allowed by Catholic morality, as the doctor is not killing the baby directly, but the baby only dies as a secondary cause.  In medical terms, would this still be called an "abortion", even though, morally speaking, it isn't?  Maybe, I don't know.  Just throwing this out there, to try to explain the reason that this exception is left in many laws.
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    Of course, those who are evil will use this exception for actual, murderous abortions.  But satan always tempts us with exceptions and word-games will always be used by those who are evil to justify evil.  This is a fact of human existence.


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    Re: Trump aggressively pushing Pro-Life
    « Reply #16 on: May 24, 2019, 06:28:31 PM »
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  • In medical terms, would this still be called an "abortion", even though, morally speaking, it isn't?  Maybe, I don't know.  Just throwing this out there, to try to explain the reason that this exception is left in many laws.
    I have a feeling many people of good will try to come up with these explanations and just presume it's all too complicated for them to understand and of course a woman should be allowed to preserve her own life.
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    Thanks to the desire to get paid for what they do, the medical field doesn't have a lot of gray areas. Every procedure has a code and there are only a very few that are in the category of abortions. The most common procedures for saving a mother are induced delivery and c-sections. Those certainly wouldn't be confused with abortion. Even chemotherapy, which might harm the unborn child, would never be considered an abortion. If the baby dies, it's almost always secondary and remote from the procedure done to save the mother.
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    I think "save the life of the mother" is just another tactic of the Left to drum up support for murder. That video I posted deserves to have 10 million views rather than the relatively low attention it has received.
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    Re: Trump aggressively pushing Pro-Life
    « Reply #17 on: May 24, 2019, 06:35:27 PM »
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  • Trump wants to wipe out all Iranians for "Israel" and the greater Zionist project. That's not pro-life. It's pro-death.

    Trump ran for president as "no more wars"
    You can slam Trump, and call me wrong, after he signs us up for another war. Not a day before.
    Everything short of delivering the goods (i.e., war) is all just bluster and propaganda, meant to deceive the Deep State and play with the Mainstream Media. It's all a diversionary tactic.

    Talk to me after we're in another war.
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    Re: Trump aggressively pushing Pro-Life
    « Reply #18 on: May 24, 2019, 06:38:10 PM »
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  • Ah, the Jєω will use both Pro-Life and Pro-Abortion to further whatever real agendas he might have.  Don't worry, they have backup plans wherewith to exterminate the Goy.
    Doesn't matter what other plans they have.
    Less abortion is good. No abortion is even better. The more laws restricting abortion, the better. Full stop.
    What the Jєω tries to do instead is a whole different matter, which will be judged on its own merits.
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    Re: Trump aggressively pushing Pro-Life
    « Reply #19 on: May 24, 2019, 06:40:56 PM »
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  • I don’t get all the complaints.  If abortion was outlawed except for those 3 reasons, you’d have STOPPED about 80-90% of abortion in the country.

    Let's be realistic. It's more like 99.9%.

    How many abortions happen because of incest or rape? A very thin sliver.

    How many rapes happen every day? And it's not like the vast majority of them end up abortions. Plenty of women keep the baby or give them up for adoption. Meanwhile, how many abortions happen every day?

    and "to save the life of the mother" is a complete crock, so that accounts for exactly 0% of abortions.

    No, in over 99% of cases it's because the woman doesn't want her career derailed, her happy life inconvenienced, her education derailed, she broke up with the father already and doesn't want a reminder of him, etc.
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    Re: Trump aggressively pushing Pro-Life
    « Reply #20 on: May 24, 2019, 06:43:51 PM »
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  • Let's be realistic. It's more like 99.9%.

    How many abortions happen because of incest or rape? A very thin sliver.

    How many rapes happen every day? And it's not like the vast majority of them end up abortions. Plenty of women keep the baby or give them up for adoption. Meanwhile, how many abortions happen every day?

    and "to save the life of the mother" is a complete crock, so that accounts for exactly 0% of abortions.

    No, in over 99% of cases it's because the woman doesn't want her career derailed, her happy life inconvenienced, her education derailed, she broke up with the father already and doesn't want a reminder of him, etc.
    I suspect if you outlaw abortion with the usual "exceptions" the rape statistics in this country would skyrocket.
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    Re: Trump aggressively pushing Pro-Life
    « Reply #21 on: May 24, 2019, 06:47:44 PM »
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    I suspect if you outlaw abortion with the usual "exceptions" the rape statistics in this country would skyrocket.

    These new anti-baby murder laws should be codified with requirements of investigative evidence from law enforcement supporting rape cases, and not simply take a woman's word for it.
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    Re: Trump aggressively pushing Pro-Life
    « Reply #22 on: May 24, 2019, 06:57:40 PM »
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  • You can slam Trump, and call me wrong, after he signs us up for another war. Not a day before.
    Everything short of delivering the goods (i.e., war) is all just bluster and propaganda, meant to deceive the Deep State and play with the Mainstream Media. It's all a diversionary tactic.

    Talk to me after we're in another war.
    For what it’s worth, I think you are right about this Matthew.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?