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Offline LaramieHirsch

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New ties between Putin and the Vatican
« on: November 28, 2013, 01:01:10 AM »
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  • I am so glad that talks have been underway between Russian president Putin and Pope Francis.  Perhaps the rift between East and West might finally be healed after a millennium. One can only hope.

    It's very exciting.
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    New ties between Putin and the Vatican
    « Reply #1 on: November 28, 2013, 02:39:09 AM »
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  • Perhaps.

    I think Putin showing up on the heels of Obama booting the US embassy into Rome MAY be a bit of a "rub it in" move on Putin's part, heh. Putin's pretty good at that.

    But they'd be at loggerheads re: ecumenism. Putin's been pretty hard-core about Muslims and Jews not getting much airtime/propaganda in Russia. A lot of "religious" hate Putin for that, but I doubt Frank would broach the subject (too humble).

    And of course he wouldn't mention a consecration. The idea alone is laughable; Frank doesn't believe such a thing is necessary, and he doesn't like to offend world leaders, so he wouldn't risk it.

    Yeah, I imagine they talked about Frank's chit list of "important stuff", like making sure everyone gets 3 squares a day, making sure the elderly are cared for, and that kind of political stuff. Syria, of course, and how they both hate war and think Obama's itching for one. Maybe Putin dropped a few bugs in Frank's ear about how he's going to prevent the U.S. from invading Iran or something.

    I imagine Frank got word that Putin gets the next Nobel Peace Prize.

    But would they talk about ROC + RCC. I ...just am not seeing it. Maybe they talked about having a "dialogue", or opening communications, but Putin doesn't (yet) represent the ROC, so I think any of that would be off-the-record stuff. If Frank tried to push Putin to accept "our brothers'" religious freedoms, well, let's just say people would probably been looking for more white smoke even now.

    I don't see that having happened: the Anglicans and Greeks are probably mad that Frank entertained the ROC at all. The ROC is getting a bit ...picky, I'd say. Would they commune with the Lavender Mafia? Ask the gαy bands that have played in Russia lately; Putin's just not going to allow Lavender in Russia.
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    « Reply #2 on: November 28, 2013, 03:12:36 AM »
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  • I am looking forward to the return visit.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 28, 2013, 07:22:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    I am so glad that talks have been underway between Russian president Putin and Pope Francis.  Perhaps the rift between East and West might finally be healed after a millennium. One can only hope.

    It's very exciting.


    Yes.  It is very exciting.  I can't wait to find out what orders Francis receives from Moscow.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 28, 2013, 11:15:53 AM »
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  • PUTIN: I am the ex(?) head of the KGB

    Francis: I am praised by freemasons and powerful anti-church lobby groups

    Putin: I got the names of all clergy who are freemasons

    Francis: I got millions of people giving me dulia

    Putin: I can destroy your church

    Francis: No one will believe the KGB

    Putin: Why would they not believe the KGB, we infiltrated the church and created you. We OWN you.

    Francis: Well I am the pope, they are my zombies now.

    More power talk continues...


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    « Reply #5 on: November 29, 2013, 12:35:09 AM »
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  • Quote from: StCeciliasGirl
    Perhaps.

    I think Putin showing up on the heels of Obama booting the US embassy into Rome MAY be a bit of a "rub it in" move on Putin's part, heh. Putin's pretty good at that.

    But they'd be at loggerheads re: ecumenism. Putin's been pretty hard-core about Muslims and Jews not getting much airtime/propaganda in Russia. A lot of "religious" hate Putin for that, but I doubt Frank would broach the subject (too humble).

    And of course he wouldn't mention a consecration. The idea alone is laughable; Frank doesn't believe such a thing is necessary, and he doesn't like to offend world leaders, so he wouldn't risk it.

    Yeah, I imagine they talked about Frank's chit list of "important stuff", like making sure everyone gets 3 squares a day, making sure the elderly are cared for, and that kind of political stuff. Syria, of course, and how they both hate war and think Obama's itching for one. Maybe Putin dropped a few bugs in Frank's ear about how he's going to prevent the U.S. from invading Iran or something.

    I imagine Frank got word that Putin gets the next Nobel Peace Prize.

    But would they talk about ROC + RCC. I ...just am not seeing it. Maybe they talked about having a "dialogue", or opening communications, but Putin doesn't (yet) represent the ROC, so I think any of that would be off-the-record stuff. If Frank tried to push Putin to accept "our brothers'" religious freedoms, well, let's just say people would probably been looking for more white smoke even now.

    I don't see that having happened: the Anglicans and Greeks are probably mad that Frank entertained the ROC at all. The ROC is getting a bit ...picky, I'd say. Would they commune with the Lavender Mafia? Ask the gαy bands that have played in Russia lately; Putin's just not going to allow Lavender in Russia.

    One of the things on his list is the well being of the Catholics in Russia.

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    « Reply #6 on: November 29, 2013, 01:03:22 AM »
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  • Since they abandoned the Chinese Underground Catholics for political expediency what makes you think they care about the well being of a much small number of Russian Catholics?

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    « Reply #7 on: November 29, 2013, 04:48:35 AM »
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    Since they abandoned the Chinese Underground Catholics for political expediency what makes you think they care about the well being of a much small number of Russian Catholics?


    Yeah, I imagine they talked about Frank's chit list of "important stuff", like making sure everyone gets 3 squares a day, making sure the elderly are cared for,

    He is talking to the leader of that country, that was on his list according to what I read.

     "The Vatican press office reported that Putin and Pope Francis also discussed “the critical situation faced by Christians in some regions of the world,” and spoke of questions of common interest, like “life of the Catholic community in Russia, revealing the fundamental contribution of Christianity in society.”



    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-meeting-with-putin-zeros-in-on-middle-east/


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    « Reply #8 on: November 29, 2013, 04:56:03 PM »
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    Since they abandoned the Chinese Underground Catholics for political expediency what makes you think they care about the well being of a much small number of Russian Catholics?


    Ggreg,

    Don't be such a realist.  When Pope Francis does something you are supposed to just say "Wow, what a guy!"


     

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