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Traditional Catholic Faith => Politics and World Leaders => Topic started by: graceseeker on November 16, 2017, 02:30:03 PM
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boo hoo
some in NY are whining bc they wont be able to write off their Dem-induced property taxes.
hey, vote those morons out, the Dems who raise your taxes so they can profligately waste, waste, waste your $$$$$ to hteir liberal, diabolical heart's content
don't feel sorry for people who won't be able to write off their prop taxes on a $200,000 home
nope... not when there are homeless people in this country who sleep in cars and etc...
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cuts are being made elsewhere, so most people are going to get significant relief, so stop crying in your NY beer
get deBlasio out of there and your problems will be ... well, not over, but...
@ least
it may seem like it
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some are now able to write off state and local taxes but not under the new tax reform bill. Either the House or Senate bill gets rid of that write-off. When they go to conference, we don't know if that provision will be kept or not, but anyway
I think lower income people should maybe be able to write off half or all of their SALT. Maybe everyone should be able to write off, say, 5% or something. But again... hard to feel sorry for people writing off huge amounts of money (SALT). And if it is taken from them, they will then do the right thing and complain loudly to the idiots (Dems) who hike up their taxes to ridiculous levesl
so it's a good thing
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There should be no special rules for one class of people, whether they be poor or rich.
That means, whatever is able to be deducted from income should be deducted for all. All should pay the same rate of tax. Period.
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There should be no special rules for one class of people, whether they be poor or rich.
That means, whatever is able to be deducted from income should be deducted for all. All should pay the same rate of tax. Period.
well, that's why I said even high incomes should get some % of their SALT written off. On the other hand, there are too many write-offs, imo
How can you have simplified tax returns w/ all the write offs, for one thing...
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Part of the definition of a slave, is one who is taxed without consent....
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Part of the definition of a slave, is one who is taxed without consent....
I don't think so
while it is bad to be taxed "without consent" (representation)
it is not the same as working for virtually nothing (slavery). I don't think blacks would appreciate you saying that
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I don't think so
while it is bad to be taxed "without consent" (representation)
it is not the same as working for virtually nothing (slavery). I don't think blacks would appreciate you saying that
I think you meant to type: I dont think.
The definition of a slave, is one who is taxed without his or her consent.
Our Founding Fathers knew this quite well. Youre so accustomed to being a slave that you dont know what one is.
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boo hoo
some in NY are whining bc they wont be able to write off their Dem-induced property taxes.
hey, vote those morons out, the Dems who raise your taxes so they can profligately waste, waste, waste your $$$$$ to hteir liberal, diabolical heart's content
don't feel sorry for people who won't be able to write off their prop taxes on a $200,000 home
nope... not when there are homeless people in this country who sleep in cars and etc...
Not sure where you live or what your basis of comparison is, but in a lot of places a $200,000 home is nothing to brag about. Rather, in many areas it's considered entry level for lower middle-class families who are scraping to meet the mortgage every month. You tend to paint with a pretty wide brush, imho.
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Not sure where you live or what your basis of comparison is, but in a lot of places a $200,000 home is nothing to brag about. Rather, in many areas it's considered entry level for lower middle-class families who are scraping to meet the mortgage every month. You tend to paint with a pretty wide brush, imho.
you tend to criticize w/ a broad brush.. it was just a figure
some peole buy homes that are $50,000
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don't feel sorry for people who won't be able to write off their prop taxes on a $200,000 home
I think the average American home is $225,000. One who owns a $200,000 home is average, not rich.
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I think the average American home is $225,000. One who owns a $200,000 home is average, not rich.
that person is very rich compared to the poor who cannot afford a house and has to live in
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an apt building
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The problem is not taxes, it is outright theft disguised as taxes by the parasites that run governments directly and indirectly to line their own pockets.
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.” (de Tocqueville)
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Quote from: Last Tradhican on Today at 02:21:34 PM (https://www.cathinfo.com/politics-and-world-leaders/i-dont-think-rich-folks-should-be-able-to-write-off-prop-tax/msg581519/#msg581519)
I think the average American home is $225,000. One who owns a $200,000 home is average, not rich.
that person is very rich compared to the poor who cannot afford a house and has to live in an apt building
It depends on the apartment building, what is the rent? Some rents are higher than a $200,000 house mortgage.
The average American home is average, not rich. We are talking about a statistic, not some emotion.
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Quote from: Last Tradhican on Today at 02:21:34 PM (https://www.cathinfo.com/politics-and-world-leaders/i-dont-think-rich-folks-should-be-able-to-write-off-prop-tax/msg581519/#msg581519)
It depends on the apartment building, what is the rent? Some rents are higher than a $200,000 house mortgage.
The average American home is average, not rich. We are talking about a statistic, not some emotion.
ha ha to that last thing
it seems you are the one who can't see the facts. The fact is that society needs to be concerned about the most needy, not the ones who have what they need. that has nothing to do w/ emotion. but i have noticed a lot of Catholics have little regard for the poor and homeless... Republicans in general think it is all their fault they are in that condition. What a lie that is.
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I have noticed a lot of Catholics have little regard for the poor and homeless
I have 6 children under 16 and a wife to support and no family to back me. I could die tomorrow and they are up the creek.
The homeless are old enough to take care of themselves.
If you have the time to help them, you should.
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I have 6 children under 16 and a wife to support and no family to back me. I could die tomorrow and they are up the creek.
The homeless are old enough to take care of themselves.
If you have the time to help them, you should.
I have 6 under 17. I've never been able to save much, but I carry a ton of life insurance in case something happens to me. My wife knows how much, so I really need to watch my back. :laugh1: In any case, that line from It's a Wonderful Life is true of me, that I'm worth much more dead than alive.
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If you put out a bird feeder and re-fill it a couple of times a day, the birds and squirrels in the area will eventually become dependent on your food and will all be sitting around waiting for you to bring them food.
If you want to really help people you give them just enough to supplement their own work. Additionally, as someone said, it is better to teach them to fish, than to give them a fish. One has to be very careful with how much help you give or the person will just sit back and expect your fish every day. Help the poor by giving them work that is needed.
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I have 6 children under 16 and a wife to support and no family to back me. I could die tomorrow and they are up the creek.
The homeless are old enough to take care of themselves.
If you have the time to help them, you should.
for one thing, there are plenty of young people who are homeless
and being a certain chronological age does not mean in and of itself that a person is capable of... say, making someone give him/her a job?
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for one thing, there are plenty of young people who are homeless
and being a certain chronological age does not mean in and of itself that a person is capable of... say, making someone give him/her a job?
"Make" someone give them a job? If they are too young to be hired, then they ought to be in school. Businesses who hire minors without work permits which show they are of legal age to seek part-time work- and are enrolled in school- are probably not fit places for them to work. If you were speaking of young adults aged 18 to 24, then they can apply for any job they feel adequate for. If they aren't chosen for the job, then they move onto the next possible employment opportunity just like everyone else. Employers want to hire people who will do the job competently and dependably. That's why they bother with resumes and interviews. I don't think many businesses can afford 'make-work' payroll for people not qualified for a productive position.
you tend to criticize w/ a broad brush..
I'm sorry you find me too critical. This isn't a perfect world, and it's full of complicated issues with lots of thorny handles.
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Some good thoughts from the Bible regarding the poor.
Mark 14:7 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+14:7&version=DRA)
For the poor you have always with you: and whensoever you will, you may do them good: but me you have not always.
2 Thessalonians 3:10 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Thessalonians+3:10&version=DRA)
For also when we were with you, this we declared to you: that, if any man will not work, neither let him eat.
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"Make" someone give them a job? If they are too young to be hired, then they ought to be in school. Businesses who hire minors without work permits which show they are of legal age to seek part-time work- and are enrolled in school- are probably not fit places for them to work. If you were speaking of young adults aged 18 to 24, then they can apply for any job they feel adequate for. If they aren't chosen for the job, then they move onto the next possible employment opportunity just like everyone else. Employers want to hire people who will do the job competently and dependably. That's why they bother with resumes and interviews. I don't think many businesses can afford 'make-work' payroll for people not qualified for a productive position.
you missed the whole point
you can't make someone give you a job, even if you have applied elsewhere, even if you have put in 50 applications elsewhere.. I know that is hard to believe, apparently
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"Make" someone give them a job? If they are too young to be hired, then they ought to be in school.
Businesses who hire minors without work permits which show they are of legal age to seek part-time work- and are enrolled in school- are probably not fit places for them to work.
Yes that "make someone give them a job" puzzled me. But your second sentence, 1MT, also puzzled me.
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Do you mean that a young person needs a work permit to seek p/t work? And does said work permit also state they are enrolled in school? Could you reword the sentence so I can understand what you are saying here?
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We should help out the poor and homeless. They also need to know to turn to Jesus for help too.
And yes, charity starts at home.
I think most property taxes are too high and not fair. There are too many who aren't paying their fair share of property taxes.
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If we reworked the tax code so that everyone w/o exception paid say... 10% Federal tax w/no deductions I think the government would be swimming in money. However we would have a large population of accountants and IRS workers unemployed :D Not to mention government lobbyists.
Not spending money on avoiding taxes would allow business to concentrate on growing which would in turn lead to increased employment opportunities.
The US has a punitive tax system which stifles business and strangles individuals.
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Yes that "make someone give them a job" puzzled me. But your second sentence, 1MT, also puzzled me.
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Do you mean that a young person needs a work permit to seek p/t work? And does said work permit also state they are enrolled in school? Could you reword the sentence so I can understand what you are saying here?
Different states have variations, but they're pretty similar. A work permit is issued by the school district and signed by the parent or guardian. Sometimes this includes a warning that the permit can be revoked if the student's grades suffer. A minor who isn't enrolled in school (drop-out) will need to legally obtain status as an emancipated minor. For example, here are the rules for the state of California.
Except in limited circuмstances defined in law and summarized in the child labor law booklet (https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/ChildLaborLawPamphlet.pdf), all minors under 18 years of age employed in the state of California must have a permit to work.
Prior to permitting a minor to work, employers must possess a valid permit to employ and work. The permit to employ and work are issued on the same form. A permit to employ and work in industries other than entertainment is usually issued by an authorized person at the minor's school. During summer months or when school is not in session the work permit is obtained from the superintendent of the school district in which the minor resides.
Typically, after an employer agrees to hire a minor, the minor obtains from his or her school a Department of Education form entitled "Statement of Intent to Employ Minor and Request for Work Permit (https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/dlseformB1-1.pdf)". The form must be completed by the minor and the employer and signed by the minor's parent or guardian and the employer. After returning the completed and signed form to the school, school officials may issue the permit to employ and work.
Permits issued during the school year expire five days after the opening of the next succeeding school year and must be renewed.
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you missed the whole point
you can't make someone give you a job, even if you have applied elsewhere, even if you have put in 50 applications elsewhere.. I know that is hard to believe, apparently
I do understand your point, really I do. Being unemployed, or worse, unemployed and homeless is a terrible situation that can drive people to despair. I've seen it. But castigating employers who are hiring the best applicant available to fit their criteria for not hiring the ones who didn't, well that's not the way to go either. Most of the govt funded "make-work" jobs are disasters and social experiments gone awry.
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Different states have variations, but they're pretty similar. A work permit is issued by the school district and signed by the parent or guardian. Sometimes this includes a warning that the permit can be revoked if the student's grades suffer. A minor who isn't enrolled in school (drop-out) will need to legally obtain status as an emancipated minor. For example, here are the rules for the state of California.
Except in limited circuмstances defined in law and summarized in the child labor law booklet (https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/ChildLaborLawPamphlet.pdf), all minors under 18 years of age employed in the state of California must have a permit to work.
Prior to permitting a minor to work, employers must possess a valid permit to employ and work. The permit to employ and work are issued on the same form. A permit to employ and work in industries other than entertainment is usually issued by an authorized person at the minor's school. During summer months or when school is not in session the work permit is obtained from the superintendent of the school district in which the minor resides.
Typically, after an employer agrees to hire a minor, the minor obtains from his or her school a Department of Education form entitled "Statement of Intent to Employ Minor and Request for Work Permit (https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/dlseformB1-1.pdf)". The form must be completed by the minor and the employer and signed by the minor's parent or guardian and the employer. After returning the completed and signed form to the school, school officials may issue the permit to employ and work.
Permits issued during the school year expire five days after the opening of the next succeeding school year and must be renewed.
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Thank you, 1MT, for your detailed answer, which really shocks me. I just find it unbelievable that a person old enough to work for their living is prevented from doing so by so insane a law.
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On a personal note, I worked through my 14th year at an apartment store on weekends and school holidays and left school at 14 years and 9 months, then worked full-time at the same store till my uncle asked me if I'd like work at his work place. I did and worked an office job for 4 years. I decided then to matriculate, so went to study at "tech" for a year. The best thing I ever did - to leave school young to work, then go back to study.
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Why on earth has the education department have any say? Why do the general populace accept this their draconian abuse of power? Even the language used illustrates that the people are slaves of the state - "emancipated minor" sounds like a freed prisoner. Permit to work! It just boggles the mind! And the employer and the parents just fall in and say "whatever the state demands we will co-operate?
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That's a free country?
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Why on earth has the education department have any say? Why do the general populace accept this their draconian abuse of power? Even the language used illustrates that the people are slaves of the state - "emancipated minor" sounds like a freed prisoner. Permit to work! It just boggles the mind! And the employer and the parents just fall in and say "whatever the state demands we will co-operate?
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That's a free country?
Exactly, we are not a free country anymore, we are a socialist country with practically all activities monitored/taxed/regulated by the state. You can't even paint a woman's nails in this country without obtaining permission from the government in the form of a "license".
I understand that many of these regulations came into play because of the disgraceful abuse of child labor in the 19th and early 20th century, however these sorts of things should be revisited and revised. It is the parent's responsibility to ensure that their children are not being taken advantage of by employers. No school or district or Dept. of Education should have their nose in it.
In the US an emancipated minor is a person who is no longer under his parent's authority and has the rights and responsibility of someone who has reached his majority. Compulsory schooling laws usually apply from age 8 to 16, although I think some states have upped it to 18.
We are very definitely over taxed and over regulated.
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I have 6 under 17. I've never been able to save much, but I carry a ton of life insurance in case something happens to me. My wife knows how much, so I really need to watch my back. :laugh1: In any case, that line from It's a Wonderful Life is true of me, that I'm worth much more dead than alive.
as I have said b4, the problems of the poor are not so much money problems even though it is that too, but "other" problems.
People can argue the following all they want but it is TRUE: the poor are treated like they are sub-human. Entititlements, so called are against the poor, do not life anyone out of poverty but keep them there, so the Ds can get some votes and etc.
And gov workers do not treat the poor w/ any kind of respect bc there is no money in it and they don't just do so out of the goodness of their hearts bc most of them are not Christian
The poor do not have Constitutional rights. Maybe other groups don't either anymore, but definitely teh poor do not.. If some wealthy person or entity can't get anything from someone, that person is nothing, nada..
it seems all anyone in power cares about is getting more power and more money. No one REALLY cares about PEOPLE... except God but who cares about him?
:-[
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Read and pray The Practice of the Love of Jesus Christ by St Alphonsus Ligouri.
https://www.basilica.ca/docuмents/2016/10/St.%20Alphonsus%20Liguori-The%20Practice%20of%20the%20Love%20of%20Jesus%20Christ.pdf
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GS you seem to be carrying a large chip on your shoulder about people who are well off. Life is unequal and "unfair", always has been and always will be; we must stay focused on the purpose of life - getting to heaven.
Poor people can get to heaven, but they must avoid feeling envy about those who are better off financially.
We are called to help the poor and the suffering but God alone can/will deal with those who do not, and all the wailing and gnashing of teeth will not change that.
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GS you seem to be carrying a large chip on your shoulder about people who are well off. Life is unequal and "unfair", always has been and always will be; we must stay focused on the purpose of life - getting to heaven.
Poor people can get to heaven, but they must avoid feeling envy about those who are better off financially.
We are called to help the poor and the suffering but God alone can/will deal with those who do not, and all the wailing and gnashing of teeth will not change that.
as per usual people miss my point
I don't have anything against rich people. I certainly have nothing against making a profit. I am a Republican (not a rino)
I voted for Trump and would probably do so again
But there ar serious things wrong in this country. Everyone wants to spoutate about this theory and that theory but there are people who are seriously suffering in this so called democratic country. The poor do not have Constitutional rights as the wealthy do.
they cannot afford an attny if their supposed rights are violated. Therefore, they have no rights at all
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Just sounds like ranting to me.
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no one cares bc there is no $$ in caring
"nothing in it for me, so I am moving on..."
that is why most people end up in Hell (according to the saints, according to Jesus, according to what you see when you look around you...
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no one cares bc there is no $$ in caring
"nothing in it for me, so I am moving on..."
that is why most people end up in Hell (according to the saints, according to Jesus, according to what you see when you look around you...
So what are you doing to help, specifically? "Charity begins at home." Many of the folks here that you seem to think misunderstand you are possibly not that well-off either. Very few of the trads I know are what I would consider wealthy. Most are just trying to keep their heads above water- and many do give and do what they can to help those in need. Some even sacrifice to do so. In my experience those who rant the most about social issues don't actually do much that is tangible to make things better. (I'm not accusing you of being just another 'keyboard warrior') You seem to think we don't understand your meaning if we point out problematic issues, and if we don't agree wholeheartedly then we aren't Catholic. Just sayin...
ps- for a Trumper and a Rep you seem awful quick to stick your hands in other people's wallets to play Robin Hood.
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GS you seem to be carrying a large chip on your shoulder about people who are well off. Life is unequal and "unfair", always has been and always will be; we must stay focused on the purpose of life - getting to heaven.
Poor people can get to heaven, but they must avoid feeling envy about those who are better off financially.
We are called to help the poor and the suffering but God alone can/will deal with those who do not, and all the wailing and gnashing of teeth will not change that.
I don't have a chip and if I do, it is justified
when certain people don't have what they need, basic necessities of life, that is a sin not to care for them. Read Mt 25:31-46
and in another psg it says that he who has the world's goods and sees a brother who does not.. How does the love of God live in him?
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it doesn't
and as one wise priest (or 2 or 3) said
w/ o love, you cannot get to Heaven