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Offline Last Tradhican

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Re: I dont think rich folks should be able to write off prop tax
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2017, 02:41:23 PM »
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    I have noticed a lot of Catholics have little regard for the poor and homeless
    I have 6 children under 16 and a wife to support and no family to back me. I could die tomorrow and they are up the creek.

    The homeless are old enough to take care of themselves.

    If you have the time to help them,  you should.
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: I dont think rich folks should be able to write off prop tax
    « Reply #16 on: November 29, 2017, 03:08:17 PM »
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  • I have 6 children under 16 and a wife to support and no family to back me. I could die tomorrow and they are up the creek.

    The homeless are old enough to take care of themselves.

    If you have the time to help them,  you should.

    I have 6 under 17.  I've never been able to save much, but I carry a ton of life insurance in case something happens to me.  My wife knows how much, so I really need to watch my back.   :laugh1:  In any case, that line from It's a Wonderful Life is true of me, that I'm worth much more dead than alive.


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    Re: I dont think rich folks should be able to write off prop tax
    « Reply #17 on: November 29, 2017, 03:30:31 PM »
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  • If you put out a bird feeder and re-fill it a couple of times a day, the birds and squirrels in the area will eventually become dependent on your food and will all be sitting around waiting for you to bring them food.

    If you want to really help people you give them just enough to supplement their own work. Additionally, as someone said, it is better to teach them to fish, than to give them a fish. One has to be very careful with how much help you give or the person will just sit back and expect your fish every day. Help the poor by giving them work that is needed.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: I dont think rich folks should be able to write off prop tax
    « Reply #18 on: November 29, 2017, 07:12:20 PM »
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    Re: I dont think rich folks should be able to write off prop tax
    « Reply #19 on: November 30, 2017, 11:02:06 AM »
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  • I have 6 children under 16 and a wife to support and no family to back me. I could die tomorrow and they are up the creek.

    The homeless are old enough to take care of themselves.

    If you have the time to help them,  you should.
    for one thing, there are plenty of young people who are homeless
    and being a certain chronological age does not mean in and of itself that a person is capable of... say, making someone give him/her a job?


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    Re: I dont think rich folks should be able to write off prop tax
    « Reply #20 on: November 30, 2017, 03:15:54 PM »
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  • for one thing, there are plenty of young people who are homeless
    and being a certain chronological age does not mean in and of itself that a person is capable of... say, making someone give him/her a job?
    "Make" someone give them a job?   If they are too young to be hired, then they ought to be in school. Businesses who hire minors without work permits which show they are of legal age to seek part-time work- and are enrolled in school- are probably not fit places for them to work. If you were speaking of young adults aged 18 to 24, then they can apply for any job they feel adequate for. If they aren't chosen for the job, then they move onto the next possible employment opportunity just like everyone else.  Employers want to hire people who will do the job competently and dependably. That's why they bother with resumes and interviews. I don't think many businesses can afford  'make-work' payroll for people not qualified for a productive position.
    you tend to criticize w/ a broad brush..

    I'm sorry you find me too critical. This isn't a perfect world, and it's full of complicated issues with lots of thorny handles.

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    Re: I dont think rich folks should be able to write off prop tax
    « Reply #21 on: November 30, 2017, 03:42:23 PM »
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  • Some good thoughts from the Bible regarding the poor.

    Mark 14:7
    For the poor you have always with you: and whensoever you will, you may do them good: but me you have not always.
     
     

    2 Thessalonians 3:10
    For also when we were with you, this we declared to you: that, if any man will not work, neither let him eat.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: I dont think rich folks should be able to write off prop tax
    « Reply #22 on: December 01, 2017, 04:40:25 PM »
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  • "Make" someone give them a job?   If they are too young to be hired, then they ought to be in school. Businesses who hire minors without work permits which show they are of legal age to seek part-time work- and are enrolled in school- are probably not fit places for them to work. If you were speaking of young adults aged 18 to 24, then they can apply for any job they feel adequate for. If they aren't chosen for the job, then they move onto the next possible employment opportunity just like everyone else.  Employers want to hire people who will do the job competently and dependably. That's why they bother with resumes and interviews. I don't think many businesses can afford  'make-work' payroll for people not qualified for a productive position.
    you missed the whole point
    you can't make someone give you a job, even if you have applied elsewhere, even if you have put in 50 applications elsewhere.. I know that is hard to believe, apparently


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    Re: I dont think rich folks should be able to write off prop tax
    « Reply #23 on: December 01, 2017, 05:30:23 PM »
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  • "Make" someone give them a job?   If they are too young to be hired, then they ought to be in school.

    Businesses who hire minors without work permits which show they are of legal age to seek part-time work- and are enrolled in school- are probably not fit places for them to work. 

    Yes that "make someone give them a job" puzzled me. But your second sentence, 1MT, also puzzled me. 
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    Do you mean that a young person needs a work permit to seek p/t work? And does said work permit also state they are enrolled in school? Could you reword the sentence so I can understand what you are saying here?

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    Re: I dont think rich folks should be able to write off prop tax
    « Reply #24 on: December 02, 2017, 12:21:04 AM »
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  • We should help out the poor and homeless.  They also need to know to turn to Jesus for help too. 
    And yes, charity starts at home.  

    I think most property taxes are too high and not fair.  There are too many who aren't paying their fair share of property taxes. 

    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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    Re: I dont think rich folks should be able to write off prop tax
    « Reply #25 on: December 02, 2017, 12:47:06 AM »
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  • If we reworked the tax code so that everyone w/o exception paid say... 10% Federal tax w/no deductions I think the government would be swimming in money.  However we would have a large population of accountants and IRS workers unemployed :D  Not to mention government lobbyists.

    Not spending money on avoiding taxes would allow business to concentrate on growing which would in turn lead to increased employment opportunities.

    The US has a punitive tax system which stifles business and strangles individuals. 


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    Re: I dont think rich folks should be able to write off prop tax
    « Reply #26 on: December 02, 2017, 12:52:26 AM »
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  • Yes that "make someone give them a job" puzzled me. But your second sentence, 1MT, also puzzled me.
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    Do you mean that a young person needs a work permit to seek p/t work? And does said work permit also state they are enrolled in school? Could you reword the sentence so I can understand what you are saying here? 
    Different states have variations, but they're pretty similar. A work permit is issued by the school district and signed by the parent or guardian. Sometimes this includes a warning that the permit can be revoked if the student's grades suffer. A minor who isn't enrolled in school (drop-out) will need to legally obtain status as an emancipated minor.  For example, here  are the rules for the state of California.

    Except in limited circumstances defined in law and summarized in the child labor law booklet, all minors under 18 years of age employed in the state of California must have a permit to work.
    Prior to permitting a minor to work, employers must possess a valid permit to employ and work. The permit to employ and work are issued on the same form. A permit to employ and work in industries other than entertainment is usually issued by an authorized person at the minor's school. During summer months or when school is not in session the work permit is obtained from the superintendent of the school district in which the minor resides.
    Typically, after an employer agrees to hire a minor, the minor obtains from his or her school a Department of Education form entitled "Statement of Intent to Employ Minor and Request for Work Permit". The form must be completed by the minor and the employer and signed by the minor's parent or guardian and the employer. After returning the completed and signed form to the school, school officials may issue the permit to employ and work.
    Permits issued during the school year expire five days after the opening of the next succeeding school year and must be renewed.

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    Re: I dont think rich folks should be able to write off prop tax
    « Reply #27 on: December 02, 2017, 01:25:28 AM »
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  • you missed the whole point
    you can't make someone give you a job, even if you have applied elsewhere, even if you have put in 50 applications elsewhere.. I know that is hard to believe, apparently
    I do understand your point, really I do. Being unemployed, or worse, unemployed and homeless is a terrible situation that can drive people to despair. I've seen it. But castigating employers who are hiring the best applicant available to fit their criteria for not hiring the ones who didn't, well that's not the way to go either. Most of the govt funded "make-work" jobs are disasters and social experiments gone awry. 

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    Re: I dont think rich folks should be able to write off prop tax
    « Reply #28 on: December 02, 2017, 03:21:19 AM »
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  • Different states have variations, but they're pretty similar. A work permit is issued by the school district and signed by the parent or guardian. Sometimes this includes a warning that the permit can be revoked if the student's grades suffer. A minor who isn't enrolled in school (drop-out) will need to legally obtain status as an emancipated minor.  For example, here  are the rules for the state of California.

    Except in limited circumstances defined in law and summarized in the child labor law booklet, all minors under 18 years of age employed in the state of California must have a permit to work.
    Prior to permitting a minor to work, employers must possess a valid permit to employ and work. The permit to employ and work are issued on the same form. A permit to employ and work in industries other than entertainment is usually issued by an authorized person at the minor's school. During summer months or when school is not in session the work permit is obtained from the superintendent of the school district in which the minor resides.
    Typically, after an employer agrees to hire a minor, the minor obtains from his or her school a Department of Education form entitled "Statement of Intent to Employ Minor and Request for Work Permit". The form must be completed by the minor and the employer and signed by the minor's parent or guardian and the employer. After returning the completed and signed form to the school, school officials may issue the permit to employ and work.
    Permits issued during the school year expire five days after the opening of the next succeeding school year and must be renewed.
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    Thank you, 1MT, for your detailed answer, which really shocks me. I just find it unbelievable that a person old enough to work for their living is prevented from doing so by so insane a law.
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    On a personal note, I worked through my 14th year at an apartment store on weekends and school holidays and left school at 14 years and 9 months, then worked full-time at the same store till my uncle asked me if I'd like work at his work place. I did and worked an office job for 4 years. I decided then to matriculate, so went to study at "tech" for a year. The best thing I ever did - to leave school young to work, then go back to study.
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    Why on earth has the education department have any say? Why do the general populace accept this their draconian abuse of power? Even the language used illustrates that the people are slaves of the state - "emancipated minor" sounds like a freed prisoner. Permit to work! It just boggles the mind! And the employer and the parents just fall in and say "whatever the state demands we will co-operate?
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    That's a free country?


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    Re: I dont think rich folks should be able to write off prop tax
    « Reply #29 on: December 02, 2017, 08:37:49 AM »
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  • Why on earth has the education department have any say? Why do the general populace accept this their draconian abuse of power? Even the language used illustrates that the people are slaves of the state - "emancipated minor" sounds like a freed prisoner. Permit to work! It just boggles the mind! And the employer and the parents just fall in and say "whatever the state demands we will co-operate?
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    That's a free country?
    Exactly, we are not a free country anymore, we are a socialist country with practically all activities monitored/taxed/regulated by the state.  You can't even paint a woman's nails in this country without obtaining permission from the government in the form of a "license". 
     
    I understand that many of these regulations came into play because of the disgraceful abuse of child labor in the 19th and early 20th century, however these sorts of things should be revisited and revised.  It is the parent's responsibility to ensure that their children are not being taken advantage of by employers.  No school or district or Dept. of Education should have their nose in it.

    In the US an emancipated minor is a person who is no longer under his parent's authority and has the rights and responsibility of someone who has reached his majority.  Compulsory schooling laws usually apply from age 8 to 16, although I think some states have upped it to 18.
    We are very definitely over taxed and over regulated.

     

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