Author Topic: Humanitarian Wars Vs. Jihads-Whats the Difference? (Read 1197 times)

MrYeZe · « **on:** October 11, 2014, 09:09:22 PM »

You know, I honestly can't seem to wrap my head around the how modern Western culture demonizes Jihadists such as Al Quada and ISIS as evil organizations (Which, for the purpose of full disclosure, they most certainly are.) yet, they're so indulged in their Secularist ideology of 'inalienable yet never explained why' human rights and democracy, that they do, pretty much, the exact same thing to promote such things.

Let's compare them, shall we?

Jihadists:

1) See nothing wrong with using violent aggression and war to spread their religion to territories that don't follow it, ala Jihads.
2) See nothing wrong with supporting (other) violent terrorist organizations if it furthers the spread of their religion.
3) Justify their actions by stating that such things will bring morality and good, Muslim values of complete submission to the will of Allah to the societies they conquer.

Secularists:

1) See nothing wrong with using violent aggression and war to spread their ideology to territories that don't follow it, ala Humanitarian Intervention.
2) See nothing wrong with supporting violent terrorist organizations (Oops, I mean, 'freedom fighters') if it furthers the spread of their ideology.
3) Justify their actions by stating that such things will bring morality and good, Secular values of freedom and democracy to the societies they conquer.

ProtectorofOrder · « **Reply #1 on:** October 12, 2014, 09:15:19 AM »

They also have a very askew definition of "Democracy/Freedom". Just look at the NSA and ASIO's mass surveillance programs. It's technically not even secular, it's a Cult of Mammon or Money system known as capitalism that overthrew the system if the natural order.

In Australia it you are a journalists or a blogger and you leak information the government doesn't want people to know you can get jailed for up to 5 or 10 years. Mass internet surveillance with omnipresent capability and the ability to remotely access your computer files by ASIO now in Australia. Yet they call it "freedom" or "democracy". Australia for example is becoming like North Korea or Soviet occupied Ukraine now. Making threats against Russia over Crimea, following the U.S government into all wars in which they both claim to be for "democracy" and secularism.

North Korea claims to be a Free and Secular "Democracy" under "Juche". Notice "DEMOCRATIC Peoples Republic of North Korea"? In the future do you think it's gonna get as about "Democratic" as North Korea?

ProtectorofOrder · « **Reply #2 on:** October 12, 2014, 09:22:59 AM »

Btw there was even a case where Australian soldiers brutally beated up peaceful anti-war protesters recently this month: http://swanislandpeace.org/convergence-2013/category/uncategorized/

The future of the U.S or Australia in a nutshell?:

MrYeZe · « **Reply #3 on:** October 12, 2014, 01:26:40 PM »

Quote from: ProtectorofOrder

They also have a very askew definition of "Democracy/Freedom". Just look at the NSA and ASIO's mass surveillance programs. It's technically not even secular, it's a Cult of Mammon or Money system known as capitalism that overthrew the system if the natural order.

In Australia it you are a journalists or a blogger and you leak information the government doesn't want people to know you can get jailed for up to 5 or 10 years. Mass internet surveillance with omnipresent capability and the ability to remotely access your computer files by ASIO now in Australia. Yet they call it "freedom" or "democracy". Australia for example is becoming like North Korea or Soviet occupied Ukraine now. Making threats against Russia over Crimea, following the U.S government into all wars in which they both claim to be for "democracy" and secularism.

North Korea claims to be a Free and Secular "Democracy" under "Juche". Notice "DEMOCRATIC Peoples Republic of North Korea"? In the future do you think it's gonna get as about "Democratic" as North Korea?

Considering that North Korea's only interested in defeating the rebel state of South Korea and no one else, unlike NATO who wants to conquer over literally anyone that doesn't follow the UN's precious Declaration of Human Rights, I'd say that modern day U.S. and NATO are already worse.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 12, 2014, 06:42:48 PM »

We are not really sure if we are actually are being told the truth. Some of the foreign
press are giving an entirely different perspective that these radical Islamic groups are
actual U.S. and NATO creations. Wars brings in lots of money to the globalists coffers,
and keeps the economy from collapsing.
The reason that the economy seems to be thriving and unemployment down thanks
to legal and illegal immigration is because of the war machine that has to engineer
more and more wars.
Remember, WW2 ended the great depression of the 1930's.

MrYeZe · « **Reply #5 on:** October 12, 2014, 07:51:04 PM »

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953

We are not really sure if we are actually are being told the truth. Some of the foreign
press are giving an entirely different perspective that these radical Islamic groups are
actual U.S. and NATO creations. Wars brings in lots of money to the globalists coffers,
and keeps the economy from collapsing.
The reason that the economy seems to be thriving and unemployment down thanks
to legal and illegal immigration is because of the war machine that has to engineer
more and more wars.
Remember, WW2 ended the great depression of the 1930's.

Actually, it's factual that the U.S. created ISIS and Al Quada. They trained the 'moderate rebels' and armed them to overthrow their respective governments, only to have them turn on them and form Jihadist organizations with the weapons and military training they received.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 12, 2014, 11:36:45 PM »

Quote from: MrYeZe

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
We are not really sure if we are actually are being told the truth. Some of the foreign
press are giving an entirely different perspective that these radical Islamic groups are
actual U.S. and NATO creations. Wars brings in lots of money to the globalists coffers,
and keeps the economy from collapsing.
The reason that the economy seems to be thriving and unemployment down thanks
to legal and illegal immigration is because of the war machine that has to engineer
more and more wars.
Remember, WW2 ended the great depression of the 1930's.

Actually, it's factual that the U.S. created ISIS and Al Quada. They trained the 'moderate rebels' and armed them to overthrow their respective governments, only to have them turn on them and form Jihadist organizations with the weapons and military training they received.

You are 100% correct. Wars are big business and keeps the economy purring until
the elites bring it all down and follows the great depression to finish off the "useless
eaters" that are digging into their much greedy profits.

MrYeZe · « **Reply #7 on:** October 13, 2014, 01:02:00 AM »

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953

Quote from: MrYeZe
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
We are not really sure if we are actually are being told the truth. Some of the foreign
press are giving an entirely different perspective that these radical Islamic groups are
actual U.S. and NATO creations. Wars brings in lots of money to the globalists coffers,
and keeps the economy from collapsing.
The reason that the economy seems to be thriving and unemployment down thanks
to legal and illegal immigration is because of the war machine that has to engineer
more and more wars.
Remember, WW2 ended the great depression of the 1930's.

Actually, it's factual that the U.S. created ISIS and Al Quada. They trained the 'moderate rebels' and armed them to overthrow their respective governments, only to have them turn on them and form Jihadist organizations with the weapons and military training they received.

You are 100% correct. Wars are big business and keeps the economy purring until
the elites bring it all down and follows the great depression to finish off the "useless
eaters" that are digging into their much greedy profits.

Eh, not all wars are bad. The Crusades weren't bad. The Reconquista wasn't bad. However the idea of "just war" doesn't exist in a secular society....or rather it does, but they just define "just" to mean "Other countries won't listen to us and/or follow our ideology!"