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The thing I like most about the Trump is drives you liebe-rals into a constant obsessive fit.

Yeah, there seems to be a pattern of him being unpopular with liberals, illegal immigrants, and overweight unattractive women...

Like how Hillary is unpopular with all the crazy rednecks that would be fine with killing Muslim BABIES just because "Damn Muslims!"



Or how about those awesome Protestants you've now aligned with in your common love of Trump. Let me ask you; Do you speak in tongues now?



Or my personal favorite about Trump, his daughter is married TO A JEW!

Quote from: Desmond

The thing I like most about the Trump is drives you liebe-rals into a constant obsessive fit.

When did I ever suggest anything liberal?

I said lieberal not liberal.

Quote from: AnonymousCatholic

So I've argued with quite a few pro-Trump people on here recently and I want to ask:

How is Trump truly the lesser of two evils?

Because that is the bottom line point of the pro Trump people. Take one trip to google and you find the man isn't even morally tolerable. He is a pig. The only thing he says he'll do that is plausible is protect guns. And that's probably going to be handled like his pro life stance which means he says it for election day and forgets about it.

Seriously the only thing he'll do is build a wall (maybe), legalize prostitution and build casinos in every city with federal money. He promises to make us money an  that's about it. Does money somehow make him less evil? I didn't know we all became Calvinists.

So someone please explain to me how you can come to the conclusion that Trump is  the lesser of two evils.

I won't comment on the premise of your thread, but you should know by now that coming into this group of Traditional Catholics and suggesting that morality is more important than economics will get you booed off the stage.

That is not a fair assessment of the forum members.  I cannot remember observing that to be the case in a single instance, and certainly not the forum on whole.

Quote from: Stubborn

Of course it doesn't and it never will as long as we are a country without God and without the Church, it is only a matter of time before a final collapse. No man can fix this, no president can save us from the inevitable doom we are headed for and no one here is saying otherwise.  

The Jews running this country into the pit will keep squeezing us for all they can get out of us no matter who gets elected, but personally, I think I could stand the thought of the Donald as president, but the thought of that evil old grandma  running this country turns my stomach.  

Exactly.  Quite frankly, I fail to understand how any person or bloc of voters can believe how a President who is a Protestant is going to sway the United States citizens and culture back to morality.  If the so-called Christian churches can't do it, how in the world is a US President going to?  

Besides, the US President is not a Monarch.  He can not, with a swoop of his pen, end divorce, end feminism, end birth control, mandate that people convert to Catholicism or Protestantism, shudder the mosques, end out of wedlock births, stop drug abuse, end pedophilia, etc.  

A US President has limited power, and the only things he can actually accomplish he must either do with a congress of elected officials from two different parties or with executive orders.

Currently, over half of our population is without work.  You can't reduce government spending on entitlement programs if you don't have jobs for people to work.  You can't have $8 an hour jobs and expect a person to work and pay rent and feed a family on that in this economy.  

You can't defend your people in your country if you don't know who is coming into it.  And you can't tell who is coming into it unless you have a really strict security system.  

You can't expect to have peace with any 3rd world country if you are constantly going in, over-throwing their corrupt government to establish democracy, and therefore allowing people to put into place a more dangerous corrupt regime than before.

Divorce.  That ship has sailed, launched and christened by Ronald Reagan in 1969.  Abortion without restriction has sailed, also launched and christened by Ronald Reagan in 1967 by his signing of the Therapeutic Abortion Act.  The evil and corrupt Department of Education that has led down this road of the moral corruption of our children, not launched by Reagan but certainly christened by him in 1980 when he accept GHW Bush as VP.  John F. Kennedy, by pushing through the Equal Pay Act in 1963, essentially froze men's pay so that women could get equal pay in the work place.  

I could go on and on.

We are in the place in our country with moral depravity precisely because the so-called "moral" candidates put us there.  All of these bills these politicians and Presidents put in place have led our country to the moral precipice.  If you do not see that, then you are blind, naive, or both.

Donald Trump is a business man first and foremost.  Everything he does is a business deal.  If a business deal is bad for him, he will walk away from the table, try to recover what was lost, and move on.

A war with Israel is bad business.  Thus, when he says he will be neutral between Israel and Palestine, I believe him.  He may be friends with the Jews, his daughter may be a Jew, but Donald is not stupid.  He's not going to do anything to cost the US more money.

He knows explicitly why companies are moving their businesses overseas because he had to do it himself.  He has said it over and over---a company in the US can not be competitive because the cards are stacked against us in these trade deals.  Other countries do not play by our rules.

As far as terrorism goes....I served in the military.  These countries don't give two cents about a POW.  Our soldiers mean NOTHING to them.  Even after you give up information, they will kill you.  Playing footsie, trying not to offend countries who play by different rules is not helping us.  Rather than torture them, we should execute all terrorists.  They are a danger to our country and our people and there is NOTHING un-Catholic or immoral about executing a terrorist who wants to kill you.  

Yes, I care about my children's souls.  But I also worry about their future.  They can't live at home with us forever.  They need jobs.  They need homes.  I have a son who is training to be a pilot in the Navy.  I want him to be safe and not give up his life because we don't understand the enemies play book.

Hillary Clinton is a war monger, a liar, a thief, a murderer, an career corrupt politician who will do anything to roll in the rays of power.  She could care less about a single person on the face of this earth.  She would just as soon stir up the black folks just to get them to vote for her than to serve tea to the Jєωιѕн bankers on Saturday.  A Clinton presidency will be more Muslims, more war, more race-baiting, more hatred, more anger, more un-employment, more debt.  

At least Donald Trump actually knows that there are people who live below poverty.  He knows that people need jobs and if you give them jobs, they work.  They feed their kids.  They stay out of trouble as much as they can.  

We are living in a post Christian society.  The people who do not understand that are delusional.  The only in roads made into ending abortion have been real people who went into the streets and started filming the horrors in the abortion mills.  It was only then, that these congressmen realized that the people are sick of this.  That's when the mills started closing down.  It wasn't because a President wrote anything into law.

Divorce, abortion, sɛҳuąƖ perversion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity---all those things are cemented into our culture.  They are not going anywhere.  All we can hope for are law makers who will protect us from prosecution when we don't want to bake a cake or host a wedding for queers.

With churches closing their doors by the hundreds, all we can hope for is the freedom to PUBLICLY practice our faith, to teach our children in our faith, to educate our own children.

I personally believe Donald Trump will do what he says.  If he doesn't, the people, real people will stop buying his products.  They will stop spending money at his casinos and hotels.  It will be really bad for his business.  It will be a media frenzy.  He doesn't want that.

He will serve only 1 term.  Then it will be a political reset.  Then maybe both the Republicans and Democrats will realize they do really have to answer to the people.

I appreciated how you took the time to write long thoughtful response but nope.

Besides, the US President is not a Monarch.  He can not, with a swoop of his pen, end divorce, end feminism, end birth control, mandate that people convert to Catholicism or Protestantism, shudder the mosques, end out of wedlock births, stop drug abuse, end pedophilia, etc.  

A US President has limited power, and the only things he can actually accomplish he must either do with a congress of elected officials from two different parties or with executive orders.

But when it comes to the economy you assume he can magically repair it with the swipe of a pen. Trump's businesses went bankrupt 5 times, the last time being in 2014 . He's rich because he has casinos and a TV show.

Currently, over half of our population is without work.  You can't reduce government spending on entitlement programs if you don't have jobs for people to work.  You can't have $8 an hour jobs and expect a person to work and pay rent and feed a family on that in this economy.  

There seems to be an assumption here that Trump is going to make this living wage happen. Unless we are all going to be working in a casino. Are you good with your daughters being showgirls and your sons being blackjack dealers?

You can't defend your people in your country if you don't know who is coming into it.  And you can't tell who is coming into it unless you have a really strict security system.

I don't argue the importance of enforcing immigration laws. But we are the minority now, and unless you identify as the average white person (i.e. rights for sodomites, contempt for the poor etc.) then you are the minority. Every Catholic prophet said that Catholic peoples worldwide will be persecuted.


There may come a time when you wish that wall wasn't there.

You can't expect to have peace with any 3rd world country if you are constantly going in, over-throwing their corrupt government to establish democracy, and therefore allowing people to put into place a more dangerous corrupt regime than before.

No arguments but the mess already made may be too large to walk away from.

Divorce.  That ship has sailed, launched and christened by Ronald Reagan in 1969.  Abortion without restriction has sailed, also launched and christened by Ronald Reagan in 1967 by his signing of the Therapeutic Abortion Act.  The evil and corrupt Department of Education that has led down this road of the moral corruption of our children, not launched by Reagan but certainly christened by him in 1980 when he accept GHW Bush as VP.  John F. Kennedy, by pushing through the Equal Pay Act in 1963, essentially froze men's pay so that women could get equal pay in the work place.  

I was unaware that the corpses of Kennedy and Reagan were running. Are they running mates?


If so they got my vote.

We are in the place in our country with moral depravity precisely because the so-called "moral" candidates put us there.  All of these bills these politicians and Presidents put in place have led our country to the moral precipice.  If you do not see that, then you are blind, naive, or both.

I do see it and if you feel so harshly about it why do you continue to perpetuate it?

Donald Trump is a business man first and foremost.  Everything he does is a business deal.  If a business deal is bad for him, he will walk away from the table, try to recover what was lost, and move on.

Larry Flint ad Ernie Madoff were both businessmen too.

Couldn't we champion someone who hasn't declared bankruptcy FIVE times, to save our economy?

A war with Israel is bad business.  Thus, when he says he will be neutral between Israel and Palestine, I believe him.  He may be friends with the Jews, his daughter may be a Jew, but Donald is not stupid.  He's not going to do anything to cost the US more money.

War is very profitable for a great deal of businesses, so no.

He knows explicitly why companies are moving their businesses overseas because he had to do it himself.  He has said it over and over---a company in the US can not be competitive because the cards are stacked against us in these trade deals.  Other countries do not play by our rules.

Protectionism is a good thing I agree, but doesn't the fact that he moved all his labor overseas show more of his scuмmy character?

As far as terrorism goes....I served in the military.  These countries don't give two cents about a POW.  Our soldiers mean NOTHING to them.  Even after you give up information, they will kill you.  Playing footsie, trying not to offend countries who play by different rules is not helping us.  Rather than torture them, we should execute all terrorists.  They are a danger to our country and our people and there is NOTHING un-Catholic or immoral about executing a terrorist who wants to kill you.  

I don't think self-defense warrants a preemptive carpet bombing on civilian targets where infants are dwelling. All you are doing is making terrorists feel justified in their actions.

Yes, I care about my children's souls.  But I also worry about their future.  They can't live at home with us forever.  They need jobs.  They need homes.  I have a son who is training to be a pilot in the Navy.  I want him to be safe and not give up his life because we don't understand the enemies play book.

That's a big leap of faith on Trump, if you think he'll do all of that for you and your kids.

Yes, I care about my children's souls.  But

That's a mighty big but.

At least Donald Trump actually knows that there are people who live below poverty.  He knows that people need jobs and if you give them jobs, they work.  Theyin feed their kids.  They stay out of trouble as much as they can.  

That is a well known fact but I see no relevance to Trump with it. Bernie Sanders has been very vocal about income disparity and helping the middle class and I don't think he is a warmonger. I am no democrat, but I fail to see Trumps superiority over them.

We are living in a post Christian society.  The people who do not understand that are delusional.  The only in roads made into ending abortion have been real people who went into the streets and started filming the horrors in the abortion mills.  It was only then, that these congressmen realized that the people are sick of this.  That's when the mills started closing down.  It wasn't because a President wrote anything into law.

Albert Einsteins quote on insanity covers this entire paragraph.

Divorce, abortion, sɛҳuąƖ perversion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity---all those things are cemented into our culture.  They are not going anywhere.  All we can hope for are law makers who will protect us from prosecution when we don't want to bake a cake or host a wedding for queers.

You think Trump will be protecting you from immorality? The man markets it for a living.

With churches closing their doors by the hundreds, all we can hope for is the freedom to PUBLICLY practice our faith, to teach our children in our faith, to educate our own children.

Fail to see how this is relevant to Trump except for how he might tear down a hundred churches to build one profitable casino.

Using eminent domain of course.

I personally believe Donald Trump will do what he says.  If he doesn't, the people, real people will stop buying his products.  They will stop spending money at his casinos and hotels.  It will be really bad for his business.  It will be a media frenzy.  He doesn't want that.

Like how the American people embargoed companies moving overseas, using illegal immigrant, or companies that destroy the environment?

He will serve only 1 term.  Then it will be a political reset.  Then maybe both the Republicans and Democrats will realize they do really have to answer to the people.

Do you still believe in Santa Claus?

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There seems to be an assumption here that Trump is going to make this living wage happen. Unless we are all going to be working in a casino. Are you good with your daughters being showgirls and your sons being blackjack dealers?

You demonstrate clearly here that you are not informed about the real issues. The actual situation is more complex than "he has casinos so he will give us jobs in a casino". Really simple-minded.

The government bailouts of Ford were with taxpayers money. Trump legitimately pointed this out. Now they plan to close up and use the taxpayer's money to go to Mexico. Like every other country, Trump wants to place a tax on them to import their cars after that. This is good. This is what Brazil does on anything that is bought. I just paid 50 dollars tax on a pair of shoes I had sent through the mail. Only the U.S. doesn't do this. It's a free for all for businesses to go to where labor is cheap and sell their products in our economy. The news here is that it isn't Latin America buying cars. The majority of the population uses public transportation in Latin America. So Ford intends to go to Mexico where the minimum wage is 6 dollars a day, make their cars for extra cheap and then bring them to the U.S. with no penalties and sell them in our market. Trump is the only candidate that has pointed this out to people. If anything, people should be glad that there is someone that is trying to open the eyes of the public, in this respect.

I think you should inform yourself a little more.

Bernie said the same thing:

There really is no shame. The Wall Street leaders whose recklessness and illegal behavior caused this terrible recession are now lecturing the American people on the need for courage to deal with the nation’s finances and deficit crisis. Before telling us why we should cut Social Security, Medicare and other vitally important programs, these CEOs might want to take a hard look at their responsibility for causing the deficit and this terrible recession.

Our Wall Street friends might also want to show some courage of their own by suggesting that the wealthiest people in this country, like them, start paying their fair share of taxes. They might work to end the outrageous corporate loopholes, tax havens and outsourcing provisions that their lobbyists have littered throughout the tax code – contributing greatly to our deficit.

Many of the CEO’s who signed the deficit-reduction letter run corporations that evaded at least $34.5 billion in taxes by setting up more than 600 subsidiaries in the Cayman Islands and other offshore tax havens since 2008. As a result, at least a dozen of the companies avoided paying any federal income taxes in recent years, and even received more than $6.4 billion in tax refunds from the IRS since 2008.

Several of the companies received a total taxpayer bailout of more than $2.5 trillion from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department.

Many of the companies also have outsourced hundreds of thousands of American jobs to China and other low wage countries, forcing their workers to receive unemployment insurance and other federal benefits. In other words, these are some of the same people who have significantly caused the deficit to explode over the last four years.

So if they both said the same exact thing how is Trump superior?

I refrain from arguing with smart alec teenagers. I work three jobs and have better things to do.

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Quote from: Stubborn

Of course it doesn't and it never will as long as we are a country without God and without the Church, it is only a matter of time before a final collapse. No man can fix this, no president can save us from the inevitable doom we are headed for and no one here is saying otherwise.  

The Jews running this country into the pit will keep squeezing us for all they can get out of us no matter who gets elected, but personally, I think I could stand the thought of the Donald as president, but the thought of that evil old grandma  running this country turns my stomach.  

Exactly.  Quite frankly, I fail to understand how any person or bloc of voters can believe how a President who is a Protestant is going to sway the United States citizens and culture back to morality.  If the so-called Christian churches can't do it, how in the world is a US President going to?  

Besides, the US President is not a Monarch.  He can not, with a swoop of his pen, end divorce, end feminism, end birth control, mandate that people convert to Catholicism or Protestantism, shudder the mosques, end out of wedlock births, stop drug abuse, end pedophilia, etc.  

A US President has limited power, and the only things he can actually accomplish he must either do with a congress of elected officials from two different parties or with executive orders.

Currently, over half of our population is without work.  You can't reduce government spending on entitlement programs if you don't have jobs for people to work.  You can't have $8 an hour jobs and expect a person to work and pay rent and feed a family on that in this economy.  

You can't defend your people in your country if you don't know who is coming into it.  And you can't tell who is coming into it unless you have a really strict security system.  

You can't expect to have peace with any 3rd world country if you are constantly going in, over-throwing their corrupt government to establish democracy, and therefore allowing people to put into place a more dangerous corrupt regime than before.

Divorce.  That ship has sailed, launched and christened by Ronald Reagan in 1969.  Abortion without restriction has sailed, also launched and christened by Ronald Reagan in 1967 by his signing of the Therapeutic Abortion Act.  The evil and corrupt Department of Education that has led down this road of the moral corruption of our children, not launched by Reagan but certainly christened by him in 1980 when he accept GHW Bush as VP.  John F. Kennedy, by pushing through the Equal Pay Act in 1963, essentially froze men's pay so that women could get equal pay in the work place.  

I could go on and on.

We are in the place in our country with moral depravity precisely because the so-called "moral" candidates put us there.  All of these bills these politicians and Presidents put in place have led our country to the moral precipice.  If you do not see that, then you are blind, naive, or both.

Donald Trump is a business man first and foremost.  Everything he does is a business deal.  If a business deal is bad for him, he will walk away from the table, try to recover what was lost, and move on.

A war with Israel is bad business.  Thus, when he says he will be neutral between Israel and Palestine, I believe him.  He may be friends with the Jews, his daughter may be a Jew, but Donald is not stupid.  He's not going to do anything to cost the US more money.

He knows explicitly why companies are moving their businesses overseas because he had to do it himself.  He has said it over and over---a company in the US can not be competitive because the cards are stacked against us in these trade deals.  Other countries do not play by our rules.

As far as terrorism goes....I served in the military.  These countries don't give two cents about a POW.  Our soldiers mean NOTHING to them.  Even after you give up information, they will kill you.  Playing footsie, trying not to offend countries who play by different rules is not helping us.  Rather than torture them, we should execute all terrorists.  They are a danger to our country and our people and there is NOTHING un-Catholic or immoral about executing a terrorist who wants to kill you.  

Yes, I care about my children's souls.  But I also worry about their future.  They can't live at home with us forever.  They need jobs.  They need homes.  I have a son who is training to be a pilot in the Navy.  I want him to be safe and not give up his life because we don't understand the enemies play book.

Hillary Clinton is a war monger, a liar, a thief, a murderer, an career corrupt politician who will do anything to roll in the rays of power.  She could care less about a single person on the face of this earth.  She would just as soon stir up the black folks just to get them to vote for her than to serve tea to the Jєωιѕн bankers on Saturday.  A Clinton presidency will be more Muslims, more war, more race-baiting, more hatred, more anger, more un-employment, more debt.  

At least Donald Trump actually knows that there are people who live below poverty.  He knows that people need jobs and if you give them jobs, they work.  They feed their kids.  They stay out of trouble as much as they can.  

We are living in a post Christian society.  The people who do not understand that are delusional.  The only in roads made into ending abortion have been real people who went into the streets and started filming the horrors in the abortion mills.  It was only then, that these congressmen realized that the people are sick of this.  That's when the mills started closing down.  It wasn't because a President wrote anything into law.

Divorce, abortion, sɛҳuąƖ perversion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity---all those things are cemented into our culture.  They are not going anywhere.  All we can hope for are law makers who will protect us from prosecution when we don't want to bake a cake or host a wedding for queers.

With churches closing their doors by the hundreds, all we can hope for is the freedom to PUBLICLY practice our faith, to teach our children in our faith, to educate our own children.

I personally believe Donald Trump will do what he says.  If he doesn't, the people, real people will stop buying his products.  They will stop spending money at his casinos and hotels.  It will be really bad for his business.  It will be a media frenzy.  He doesn't want that.

He will serve only 1 term.  Then it will be a political reset.  Then maybe both the Republicans and Democrats will realize they do really have to answer to the people.

I appreciated how you took the time to write long thoughtful response but nope.

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Besides, the US President is not a Monarch.  He can not, with a swoop of his pen, end divorce, end feminism, end birth control, mandate that people convert to Catholicism or Protestantism, shudder the mosques, end out of wedlock births, stop drug abuse, end pedophilia, etc.  

A US President has limited power, and the only things he can actually accomplish he must either do with a congress of elected officials from two different parties or with executive orders.

But when it comes to the economy you assume he can magically repair it with the swipe of a pen. Trump's businesses went bankrupt 5 times, the last time being in 2014 . He's rich because he has casinos and a TV show.

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Currently, over half of our population is without work.  You can't reduce government spending on entitlement programs if you don't have jobs for people to work.  You can't have $8 an hour jobs and expect a person to work and pay rent and feed a family on that in this economy.  

There seems to be an assumption here that Trump is going to make this living wage happen. Unless we are all going to be working in a casino. Are you good with your daughters being showgirls and your sons being blackjack dealers?

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You can't defend your people in your country if you don't know who is coming into it.  And you can't tell who is coming into it unless you have a really strict security system.

I don't argue the importance of enforcing immigration laws. But we are the minority now, and unless you identify as the average white person (i.e. rights for sodomites, contempt for the poor etc.) then you are the minority. Every Catholic prophet said that Catholic peoples worldwide will be persecuted.


There may come a time when you wish that wall wasn't there.

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You can't expect to have peace with any 3rd world country if you are constantly going in, over-throwing their corrupt government to establish democracy, and therefore allowing people to put into place a more dangerous corrupt regime than before.

No arguments but the mess already made may be too large to walk away from.

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Divorce.  That ship has sailed, launched and christened by Ronald Reagan in 1969.  Abortion without restriction has sailed, also launched and christened by Ronald Reagan in 1967 by his signing of the Therapeutic Abortion Act.  The evil and corrupt Department of Education that has led down this road of the moral corruption of our children, not launched by Reagan but certainly christened by him in 1980 when he accept GHW Bush as VP.  John F. Kennedy, by pushing through the Equal Pay Act in 1963, essentially froze men's pay so that women could get equal pay in the work place.  

I was unaware that the corpses of Kennedy and Reagan were running. Are they running mates?


If so they got my vote.

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We are in the place in our country with moral depravity precisely because the so-called "moral" candidates put us there.  All of these bills these politicians and Presidents put in place have led our country to the moral precipice.  If you do not see that, then you are blind, naive, or both.

I do see it and if you feel so harshly about it why do you continue to perpetuate it?

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Donald Trump is a business man first and foremost.  Everything he does is a business deal.  If a business deal is bad for him, he will walk away from the table, try to recover what was lost, and move on.

Larry Flint ad Ernie Madoff were both businessmen too.

Couldn't we champion someone who hasn't declared bankruptcy FIVE times, to save our economy?

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A war with Israel is bad business.  Thus, when he says he will be neutral between Israel and Palestine, I believe him.  He may be friends with the Jews, his daughter may be a Jew, but Donald is not stupid.  He's not going to do anything to cost the US more money.

War is very profitable for a great deal of businesses, so no.

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He knows explicitly why companies are moving their businesses overseas because he had to do it himself.  He has said it over and over---a company in the US can not be competitive because the cards are stacked against us in these trade deals.  Other countries do not play by our rules.

Protectionism is a good thing I agree, but doesn't the fact that he moved all his labor overseas show more of his scuмmy character?

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As far as terrorism goes....I served in the military.  These countries don't give two cents about a POW.  Our soldiers mean NOTHING to them.  Even after you give up information, they will kill you.  Playing footsie, trying not to offend countries who play by different rules is not helping us.  Rather than torture them, we should execute all terrorists.  They are a danger to our country and our people and there is NOTHING un-Catholic or immoral about executing a terrorist who wants to kill you.  

I don't think self-defense warrants a preemptive carpet bombing on civilian targets where infants are dwelling. All you are doing is making terrorists feel justified in their actions.

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Yes, I care about my children's souls.  But I also worry about their future.  They can't live at home with us forever.  They need jobs.  They need homes.  I have a son who is training to be a pilot in the Navy.  I want him to be safe and not give up his life because we don't understand the enemies play book.

That's a big leap of faith on Trump, if you think he'll do all of that for you and your kids.

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Yes, I care about my children's souls.  But

That's a mighty big but.

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At least Donald Trump actually knows that there are people who live below poverty.  He knows that people need jobs and if you give them jobs, they work.  Theyin feed their kids.  They stay out of trouble as much as they can.  

That is a well known fact but I see no relevance to Trump with it. Bernie Sanders has been very vocal about income disparity and helping the middle class and I don't think he is a warmonger. I am no democrat, but I fail to see Trumps superiority over them.

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We are living in a post Christian society.  The people who do not understand that are delusional.  The only in roads made into ending abortion have been real people who went into the streets and started filming the horrors in the abortion mills.  It was only then, that these congressmen realized that the people are sick of this.  That's when the mills started closing down.  It wasn't because a President wrote anything into law.

Albert Einsteins quote on insanity covers this entire paragraph.

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Divorce, abortion, sɛҳuąƖ perversion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity---all those things are cemented into our culture.  They are not going anywhere.  All we can hope for are law makers who will protect us from prosecution when we don't want to bake a cake or host a wedding for queers.

You think Trump will be protecting you from immorality? The man markets it for a living.

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With churches closing their doors by the hundreds, all we can hope for is the freedom to PUBLICLY practice our faith, to teach our children in our faith, to educate our own children.

Fail to see how this is relevant to Trump except for how he might tear down a hundred churches to build one profitable casino.

Using eminent domain of course.

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I personally believe Donald Trump will do what he says.  If he doesn't, the people, real people will stop buying his products.  They will stop spending money at his casinos and hotels.  It will be really bad for his business.  It will be a media frenzy.  He doesn't want that.

Like how the American people embargoed companies moving overseas, using illegal immigrant, or companies that destroy the environment?

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He will serve only 1 term.  Then it will be a political reset.  Then maybe both the Republicans and Democrats will realize they do really have to answer to the people.

Do you still believe in Santa Claus?

I was not initially particularly impressed with CathMom's post.  Thank you for breaking it down for me.  I was focusing on a couple of points that turned me off and somehow overlooking a lot of wisdom in her post.

As for your response, it reveals that you are a low-info voter (or non-voter as the case may be), wreaks of misplaced smugness, and finally demonstrates to my remedial understanding what "strawman" is.

Quite lofty material for someone whose ultimate solution is:

Trump's businesses went bankrupt 5 times, the last time being in 2014 . He's rich because he has casinos and a TV show.

Across the board, in every industry, only about 58% of businesses are still in operation after 4 years.  Over 25% of businesses fail within the first year.  Having a business go bankrupt is not a sign of failure.  It could have many factors, including the market.  So this alone is not reason to say that Trump is not a successful business man.  The gaming and entertainment industry is the fastest growing industry in our economy right now.  They are adding thousands of jobs each month.  In fact, the federal government reported and increase in tax revenue from the gaming industry has risen by almost 10%.  

There seems to be an assumption here that Trump is going to make this living wage happen. Unless we are all going to be working in a casino. Are you good with your daughters being showgirls and your sons being blackjack dealers?

Trump understands that American jobs are hard to find because industry is moving overseas and because there are incentives to import foreign workers at lower wages than Americans will work for.  He understands this because he is a businessman.  He has to do it himself because he has to remain competitive.  You simply cannot compete.  I will use and example that is local for me.  Before Lowes came to our town, we had 3 local lumber supply businesses.  They had been here for many decades.  Family businesses.  Within 6 months of Lowe's coming, they shuttered their doors.  They could not compete with the market.  They couldn't sell lumber any cheaper, they couldn't pay their workers any less.  They were run out of business.  Business is about competition and if you can't compete you have to regroup or close the doors.

I don't argue the importance of enforcing immigration laws.

Good.  I think about my own home.  People don't get to come to my home uninvited.  If they do, they are arrested for trespassing.  If they break in and take things, then it's stealing.  And if they break in and try to hurt my children or me, then we have the right to defend ourselves even with deadly force.  This philosophy is more so for our nation.  No one gets to come in uninvited.  

There may come a time when you wish that wall wasn't there.

I have thought about this statement a lot, wondering if many people mention this in reference to Communist Germany.  

No arguments but the mess already made may be too large to walk away from.

Nope.  Our country can and should take a more non-interventionist approach.  We can pull our troops out gradually and never go back.  We can and should leave these peoples to care for themselves.  It is not the United States job to bring every third world country to democracy.  We should leave them alone to figure things out for themselves.  

I was unaware that the corpses of Kennedy and Reagan were running. Are they running mates?


If so they got my vote.

The point I was making is that the very Presidents people tout as being so great for this country, being such moral upright men, did not necessarily do us any favors.  The very problems we have, the decay of the family, feminism, abortion on demand---were given to us by Presidents that people perceived to be morally upright and benevolent.  There are no guarantees that moral men are actually truly moral or that their ideas are good for this country.  

Couldn't we champion someone who hasn't declared bankruptcy FIVE times, to save our economy?

See above.  I have failed at many things many times.  Failure is part of life.  Successful people have many failures in their lives.  Failure helps us re-evaluate, figure out what works, and get rid of things we don't need.  If at first you don't succeed, try, try again!  

War is very profitable for a great deal of businesses, so no.

War is profitable for some and destructive for others, particularly nations.  Every nation involved in WWII suffered economic destruction, except ours.  We became quite wealthy, building planes and bombs.  Unfortunately, these modern wars are money sucking machines.  We are profiting nothing.  

Protectionism is a good thing I agree, but doesn't the fact that he moved all his labor overseas show more of his scuмmy character?

Donald Trump is a businessman.  You criticize him for going bankrupt, yet when he moves his businesses to other countries to make a profit, he is scuмmy?  Hmm.  What do you want?  Business men can only be successful if they can make a profit.  This is what he is telling people:  The US is not profitable to having and creating industry.  We must change our laws.  We are the only country that doesn't charge some sort of tariff for importing our goods.  It's gotta change.

That is a well known fact but I see no relevance to Trump with it. Bernie Sanders has been very vocal about income disparity and helping the middle class and I don't think he is a warmonger. I am no democrat, but I fail to see Trumps superiority over them.

This is simple.  Socialism doesn't work.  Taxing the working people to pay for the unworking people has proven time and again to be a failure.  Providing jobs for people and encouraging them to work has proven to be quite successful.  Unless of course you want to live in places like Denmark where everyone pays about 60% of their income into the system and is taken care of from the cradle to the grave.  But the Danes don't get involved in all these wars either.  So maybe that's not so bad....I don't know.

You think Trump will be protecting you from immorality? The man markets it for a living.

 
I never said such a thing.  We live in a post-Christian society that is completely morally bankrupt.  No one can protect anyone from it.  That's not what motivates my choice for President.