I agree, I don't see the point in sitting idly by doing nothing. The malaise of Catholics in the last 60 years has gotten us into the mess we're in. We just sit idly by, thumbing our rosaries and not taking action. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking prayer or the rosary, but our enemies are well organized and highly efficient at subverting literally everything moral and good in society, and what do Catholics do?I am a wife pf a big Trump supporter and I myself like Trump, but I am not deceived to think that he is working alone...everyone has their backers...I believe God has given us Trump as a reprieve and that we should vote for him and pray for him, but I do think we should have little catholic communities of families and individuals who are prepared both spiritually and physically for the chastisement and the revival of christendom...also looking forward to getting and reading that book.
Have Knights of Columbus pancake breakfasts...
Give me a break. It's not enough. I wish we had more magnanimous men willing to storm the gates.
I'm not a fan of everything Trump does, it would be silly to be, but I will definitely vote for him again because at least our country has ever so slightly gotten a push in a more moral direction because of him.
I tend to agree that a chastisement is necessary at this point to turn things around, but that shouldn't stop us from taking action and laying the foundation now for the new Christendom. Too many Catholics just pray have this mindset that God is going to do everything for them as long as they pray their rosary. That's simply not the case.
Every Catholic should read the book: Action: A Manual for the Reconstruction of Christendom (https://isidore.co/calibre/#book_id=7556&library_id=CalibreLibrary&panel=book_details)
To quote St. Joan of Arc:At PoitiersAsked by the priests why God needed soldiers:“In the name of God! The soldiers will fight and God will give the victory!”
I agree, I don't see the point in sitting idly by doing nothing. The malaise of Catholics in the last 60 years has gotten us into the mess we're in. We just sit idly by, thumbing our rosaries and not taking action. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking prayer or the rosary, but our enemies are well organized and highly efficient at subverting literally everything moral and good in society, and what do Catholics do?Good post.
Have Knights of Columbus pancake breakfasts...
Give me a break. It's not enough. I wish we had more magnanimous men willing to storm the gates.
I'm not a fan of everything Trump does, it would be silly to be, but I will definitely vote for him again because at least our country has ever so slightly gotten a push in a more moral direction because of him.
I tend to agree that a chastisement is necessary at this point to turn things around, but that shouldn't stop us from taking action and laying the foundation now for the new Christendom. Too many Catholics just pray have this mindset that God is going to do everything for them as long as they pray their rosary. That's simply not the case.
Every Catholic should read the book: Action: A Manual for the Reconstruction of Christendom (https://isidore.co/calibre/#book_id=7556&library_id=CalibreLibrary&panel=book_details)
To quote St. Joan of Arc:At PoitiersAsked by the priests why God needed soldiers:“In the name of God! The soldiers will fight and God will give the victory!”
If you don't have firearms and a long-term supply of food, water and gardening tools and seeds, you really need to start now.
You WILL have to choose. And there will only be two sides in the upcoming conflict. The expression "You're either with us or against us" comes to mind. In war, you are either "with us" or "with the enemy". Lone wolves are treated as enemy by default.
It was implied, but ok. Thanks?I wasn't trying to give you a hard time, just being playful.
Yes, this is what it comes down to.Once again,
I can understand why some Traditional Catholics don't like Pres. Trump, and refuse to vote for him. However...the alternative is the Leftist Deep State, which is really, really evil. I don't think that this can be emphasized enough. If the Leftist Deep State regains complete control, the situation will get really bad.
Yes, Trump supports same-sex marriage, and he is in league with Jews and Israel. I'm definitely worried about his alliance with Jews/Israel, but even so, life will be far worse under the Leftist Deep State than it is under a Trump Presidency. Just my opinion.
Political right and left admix wrong with right, so efforts to defend the political right or political left are problematic for practicing Catholics—and that is precisely why so many of us choke on a vote for Trump.
N.B., Though I had serious reservations, I did vote for Trump in 2016. I chose to vote for a bad man rather than a [possibly] possessed female. There was much speculation about the videos of Hillary being evidence of neurological disorder. In my estimation, I thought the videos were more supportive of imperfect possession than a neurological disorder.
The evils of Hillary (et al) go well beyond mere graft and financial corruption (funneling money into their own pockets via their Foundation under cover of "book deals" and "speeches")I'd be interested to hear a summary of the four types. Are the types discussed in the context of Confession and assigned penances?
We're talking serious devilry: cнιℓd тrαffιcking, torture, sacrifice to devils, pedophilia, rape, murder, and other horrible crimes.
Trump might be a sinner, but he's in a less severe "class" of sinner than the crowd in question.
I wish I could find my seminary notes on the 4 classes of sinners.
The worst class is "Diabolical hatred of God" such as the high-level Freemasons. Hillary et al. are in this category.
I think one of the lower classes (maybe the lowest?) was those who sin through weakness, including sins of the flesh. Trump might actually be here -- which is where some of us are. But I can't say for sure and I can't give a thorough treatment of the topic, since it's been many years since I took notes on this.…
By the way, Trump's support of Israel reflects your typical Evangelical Protestant position, does it not? The Evangelical prots are hardly "aware" on the JQ.I think that, like his Daddy, the Donald's life-long association with (((the mob))) points to an awareness and willfulness that significantly exceeds the culpability of the backwoods dyslexic Bible Dis-believers that fashion themselves as "Christian" Zionists.
I'd be interested to hear a summary of the four types. Are the types discussed in the context of Confession and assigned penances?Yes, obviously a priest has to know everything about sin, the stages of the interior life -- both going UP, and going DOWN as it were.
My dad had an old saying -- that so-and-so would "lie when the truth would better fit."Repeatedly encountering such (((pathological liars))) prompted me to paraphrase and meme Mary McCarthy's insult of Lillian Hellman.
In other words, they lie even when telling the truth would suit their cause better. This describes many Deep State creatures. They CONSTANTLY lie. They flip and invert everything 180 degrees. They accuse their opponents of THEIR OWN crimes, etc.
Now who is the father of lies?...
Serious question: When, aside from a few noteworthy exceptions, have our presidents/kings/emperors/prime ministers ever been ANYTHING OTHER THAN flawed human beings -- sometimes with quite grievous shortcomings and even sins?
Serious [obvious] answer: Never.
So Catholics have always been aloof from national politics, …
"Assumes facts not in evidence." Who advocated "always"* being aloof from national politics? Not I.
*Didn't you just accuse someone of making a straw man argument? :-)
…which is nothing more or less than concern for one's country and its well-being?
National politics = concern for one's country and its well-being? No. Well-ordered patriotism = concern for one's country and its well-being. National politics is a process—in the case of the jUSA, a deeply flawed process steeped in some disordered fundamentals (e.g., separation of Church and State, just authority bubbles up from below, etc.).
What if invasion by a hostile force like the Muslims were in play?
It depends. Besides, the idea of a military invasion by Muslims is, in my estimate, too far-fetched to consider seriously.
What if occupation by a hostile force like the SoS were in play? Ooops, we already have that and Trump abets it further.
Wouldn't that compel Catholics to "get involved" or support their sovereign, even if he were flawed and had some public sins?
Which "he"? Trump? Or some generic POTjUS?
Consider your key reason for supporting Trump. Would abortion decline in a Muslim-ruled USA?
Even before the rise of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, our Kings and Queens have had serious flaws. And yet -- we pray for them, the Church has us pray for them, for they are the secular power and they receive authority from God, from whom all authority and paternity flows.
Agreed.
As for voting in democracies, I didn't think we were voting for sainthood. Or else the office of president would have been empty for what, the past 240 years?
As for voting in democracies, I don't think the lesser of two nearly equivalent evils is enough reason to vote.
N.B., Though I had serious reservations, I did vote for Trump in 2016. I chose to vote for a bad man rather than a [possibly] possessed female. There was much speculation about the videos of Hillary being evidence of neurological disorder. In my estimation, I thought the videos were more supportive of imperfect possession than a neurological disorder.
Serious question: When, aside from a few noteworthy exceptions, have our presidents/kings/emperors/prime ministers ever been ANYTHING OTHER THAN flawed human beings -- sometimes with quite grievous shortcomings and even sins?Rethinking my answer…Emperor Karl comes to mind , though I would never suggest he was completely isnless.
Serious [obvious] answer: Never.…
"Assumes facts not in evidence." Who advocated "always"* being aloof from national politics? Not I.answered in a PM
I'm sure certain anti-Trump CathInfo members would fall into this category. After all, when is the last time we had a candidate who was completely "kosher" from a Traditional Catholic point of view? (great pun there, I know!)
If the last 40 presidents have been more or less evil, and voting for the "lesser of two evils" is weak sauce, as you/Ladislaus/others have repeatedly stated, then when exactly are we Catholics supposed to get involved in politics?
So no, I really don't think that was a straw man I was addressing. It really does seem that, for some, politics or participating in "the system" is a no-go at worst, and a fool's errand at best.
Serious question: When, aside from a few noteworthy exceptions, have our presidents/kings/emperors/prime ministers ever been ANYTHING OTHER THAN flawed human beings -- sometimes with quite grievous shortcomings and even sins?
Serious [obvious] answer: Never.
So Catholics have always been aloof from national politics, …
"Assumes facts not in evidence." Who advocated "always"* being aloof from national politics? Not I.
*Didn't you just accuse someone of making a straw man argument? :-)
…which is nothing more or less than concern for one's country and its well-being?
National politics = concern for one's country and its well-being? No. Well-ordered patriotism = concern for one's country and its well-being. National politics is a process—in the case of the jUSA, a deeply flawed process steeped in some disordered fundamentals (e.g., separation of Church and State, just authority bubbles up from below, etc.).
How can one be both concerned about one's country, and still be aloof?
If I'm not mistaken, you have a blog in which your main topic is generally of a political nature. That's not being aloof, not by a longshot. But if you mean that we have to be concerned, but not actually go so far as to actually vote for a candidate, then this seems a bit hypocritical. Like we have to be very concerned about the country, but don't vote. Well, I hope you understand that some of us do vote out of concern for the country.
Catholic patriots like my good friend and fellow Vietnam combat vet Hugh Akins (https://ca-rc.com/about-the-author (https://ca-rc.com/about-the-author) ) who advised Catholics not to vote for Trump even if he was considered by many good Catholics to be the lesser of two evils. (Perhaps, that is the reason why Matthew stopped openly supporting Hugh's great quarterly publication Oportet Christum Regnare which unfortunately folded due to lack of support by tradCats.)
I didn't know that about Hugh Akins. I must say I'm most disappointed to hear that he's one of those.
Guess what? It's your turn to MISREAD me, get me DEAD WRONG, etc.
As a matter of fact, I advertised his Oportet magazine on here every single month until HE folded his magazine. I was disappointed to hear it was shutting down.
Trad Catholics not signing up for subscriptions is another matter; it had nothing to do with me. On the contrary, I did my part to promote it.
That having been said, I don't think I'd promote any magazine that bashes Trump within its pages. And I just lost some respect for Hugh Akins. I'm sure he knows a lot, and has written some good books with some great information. But his decision to advise Catholics to not vote for Trump is EXTREMELY STUPID. I am very disappointed.
Does Hugh Akins still feel that way about Trump? But even if his opinion of Trump has improved over the past 3 years (like it did for me), the fact is that Trump had released the list of Supreme Court Justices he would appoint *before the 2016 election*. That alone was reason enough to vote for him in 2016, even if he WAS an unknown.
I see [Trump] as a warmongering, mass murdering, Israeli/Zionist psychopath who is determined to start WWIII for Israel and help the Jews finish off what remains of Christian civilization.
What most people do not understand is that the Deep State/Washington DC Swamp is not liberal or left wing only, but has both a right and left wing, comprising of liberals as well as so-called conservatives, so that absolute lunatics like Bush and Trump are very much a part of the Deep State's right wing. We should never overlook the massive crimes against humanity committed by such "conservatives" any more than we would the liberals. In my humble opinion, a vote for Trump is therefore a vote for the very real Antichristian Conspiracy of the secret societies that are America's Hidden Rulers; it's a vote for the Antichrist, the Elders of Zion and and their ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.
Like I said: ignorant and stupid. Hugh might be a great guy, a great Catholic, but reality is reality. There is this pesky thing called objective reality, which one's opinions and theories MUST ACCOUNT FOR or one deserves to be called unrealistic, crazy, stupid, or something along those lines.
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Catholic patriots like my good friend and fellow Vietnam combat vet Hugh Akins (https://ca-rc.com/about-the-author (https://ca-rc.com/about-the-author) ) who advised Catholics not to vote for Trump even if he was considered by many good Catholics to be the lesser of two evils. (Perhaps, that is the reason why Matthew stopped openly supporting Hugh's great quarterly publication Oportet Christum Regnare which unfortunately folded due to lack of support by tradCats.)
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I didn't know that about Hugh Akins. I must say I'm most disappointed to hear that he's one of those.
Guess what? It's your turn to MISREAD me, get me DEAD WRONG, etc.
As a matter of fact, I advertised his Oportet magazine on here every single month until HE folded his magazine. I was disappointed to hear it was shutting down.
Trad Catholics not signing up for subscriptions is another matter; it had nothing to do with me. On the contrary, I did my part to promote it.
That having been said, I don't think I'd promote any magazine that bashes Trump within its pages. And I just lost some respect for Hugh Akins. I'm sure he knows a lot, and has written some good books with some great information. But his decision to advise Catholics to not vote for Trump is EXTREMELY STUPID. I am very disappointed.
Does Hugh Akins still feel that way about Trump? But even if his opinion of Trump has improved over the past 3 years (like it did for me), the fact is that Trump had released a list *before the 2016 Election* of Supreme Court Justices he would appoint if he became President. That alone was a good enough reason to vote for him in 2016, even if he WAS mostly an unknown.
Here are Hugh's words from a couple days ago. I have every right to be disappointed in someone's ignorance, imprudence, and short-sightedness.
I see [Trump] as a warmongering, mass murdering, Israeli/Zionist psychopath who is determined to start WWIII for Israel and help the Jews finish off what remains of Christian civilization.
What most people do not understand is that the Deep State/Washington DC Swamp is not liberal or left wing only, but has both a right and left wing, comprising of liberals as well as so-called conservatives, so that absolute lunatics like Bush and Trump are very much a part of the Deep State's right wing. We should never overlook the massive crimes against humanity committed by such "conservatives" any more than we would the liberals. In my humble opinion, a vote for Trump is therefore a vote for the very real Antichristian Conspiracy of the secret societies that are America's Hidden Rulers; it's a vote for the Antichrist, the Elders of Zion and and their ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.
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Basically, he sees no difference between Trump and George Bush. He and I would be in perfect agreement about the two-party political farce in America in, say, 2015. There was indeed little to no difference between Bush and Clinton. But Hugh fails to see that things changed in 2016. That is insane! Sorry Hugh, and sorry Klas, but the facts just don't match up! He needs to pick a better alternative news source, because his current one is just feeding him CRAZY NONSENSE.
WHY THEN has there been such a sea change in how the Media, congress (BOTH PARTIES), etc. treat Trump?
I was alive during the Bush presidencies. It was night-and-day different from the panicked defense the Deep State is putting up these days.
Was Bush impeached on trumped-up charges? (pardon the pun)
Did the Democrats mobilize immediately to impeach Bush (Sr. or Jr.) the day after his Inauguration?
Why does the entire Deep State presidential dynasty (Bush/Clinton/Obama) all detest Trump with a passion? Trump is CLEARLY not part of their "club".
Trump is also clean as a whistle as far as CRIMES and CORRUPTION go. Unlike the rest of the Deep State "swamp" -- which Hugh is right, it does cut across both political parties. But Trump is not part of it.
Like I said: ignorant and stupid. Hugh might be a great guy, a great Catholic, but reality is reality. There is this pesky thing called objective reality, which one's opinions and theories MUST ACCOUNT FOR or one deserves to be called unrealistic, crazy, stupid, or something along those lines.
What do you call a nice guy who is so wrong about objective reality? Maybe "silly" is the nicest way to put it?
Hugh thinks the good done by Trump is negligible, to the point where Catholics shouldn't and even MUST NOT vote for him. That simply isn't true. He needs to open his eyes to OBJECTIVE REALITY, not the "reality" painted by the kooks he reads for his alternative news.
Rense is not a good source for news, for example. Just because it's run by a guy out of his basement, is counter-cultural, or opposes the Mainstream Media narrative DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY make it true! Truth is determined by how well something lines up with OBJECTIVE REALITY.
For example, Hugh speaks of Trump pushing for WW3. Let's see, Trump has averted war numerous times already -- he has taken the path of peace over war 100% of the time. Just for starters, he had plenty of chances for war with Russia, North Korea, Syria, and recently Iran. EACH AND EVERY TIME we had a surprise peace break out instead. That wasn't by accident. That is the Plan of the "Patriots" who are working together with Trump to destroy the Deep State.
And each time Trump has performed any small military action, it was probably aimed at the Deep State operatives (to uproot them) rather than the "official reason" given to the Media. You have to look at the outcome and the reality, not just the appearances. You can't weed a garden 2-years overgrown with weeds without getting your hands dirty.
The number of pro-life and pro-nation/anti-globalist actions taken by Trump SO FAR already number in the hundreds.
Matthew, no need to deride Hugh Akins by questioning his Catholic Patriotism or good common sense. He was fighting the Commies before you were in your mother's wombAh yes, the old "I've been doing such-and-such since you were an itch in your dad's pants".
You uncharitably smear Hugh's good name by making it appear that he is dependent upon kooks for his world view. Anyone who has read his monumental work ѕуηαgσgυє Rising and or his Oportet Christum Regnare magazine would know that is simply not so -- not so by a long shot (or by your cheap shot).
Hugh is not beyond criticism. I am discussing his POSITION publicly. You are slamming me AND my position left and right. Wouldn't that also be uncharitable, bashing my good name?
Hugh Akins is *most certainly* dependent on SOME kind of public news source. Whether that news source is extremely fringe like Rense, Mainstream Media like CNN/NBC/Fox/etc. or some alternative news site. Are you suggesting that Hugh has a worldwide network of reporters "boots on the ground" gathering news and intel for Hugh's website, books, magazine? Call me a heckler, but I don't buy that for a second. He's getting 100% (not 99%) of his news from the Internet or some kind of paper newsletter/magazine/periodical just like everyone else.
And wherever he's getting his information -- let's just say I'm not impressed. A weather service that called for sunshine and 70 degrees but we actually got pouring rain and low 50's -- for 3 weekends in a row -- would not be respected as a weather forecaster either.
ѕуηαgσgυє Rising and the Oportet magazine are both extensively footnoted regarding his sources. He doesn't hide them. He is not dependent on kooks as you indicated.I wasn't really suggesting that you were smearing my name. I was making a point. Criticism is not "smearing" unless you have some kind of snowflake's definition of criticism.
IMHO, you as the reigning monarch of CathInfo, you more than anyone should be willing to take criticism of your views without jumping to the conclusion that your good name is being smeared.