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Offline Matthew

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How dare Catholics and Trads
« on: January 06, 2020, 08:33:01 AM »
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  • ...stand shoulder to shoulder with sơdơmites and lҽϝƚιsƚs and bash Tɾυmρ, often using the same talking points?

    What do you hope to accomplish? What is your endgame?

    Aren't you a bit embarrassed -- or something -- to be standing shoulder to shoulder with Rosie O'Donnell, Ellen DeGenerate, and Rachel MadCow?

    I certainly would!

    You are just cursing the darkness without lighting a candle. Do you even HAVE a candidate of your own to oppose Tɾυmρ with?
    Or is your answer "complete lack of hope" or "sitting and doing nothing, while praying for the Chastisement/Second American ʀɛʋօʟutιօn"?

    Because I, too, expect that a Chastisement will be necessary to turn things around permanently. Tɾυmρ and his ραƚɾισts (of which Q is the mouthpiece) are only a reprieve.

    But who the heck throws such a great gift back in the giver's face? Who couldn't use 4 or 8 more years to prepare? I know I could!
    Maybe some of you have the ultimate bunker set up, with a 10 year supply of everything PLUS you possess all survival skills at a mastery level.
    Oh, and you must be a living saint, in the Unitive way, firm in the knowledge that if you died today, you would go straight to heaven.   

    Try to have compassion for those of us who are not so set-up. I count myself among those who could use more time.

    Or maybe some of you already had teenage children on the day Kennedy was αssαssιnαtҽd. You don't plan on being around on earth for much longer, so you don't care about 4-year reprieves. Again, try to have compassion on those of us who are still of childbearing age, who have children that are still babies. It's hard to have money/time to properly "prep" when you're raising a family. Especially a natural-sized family, which statistically is much larger than the average size the Baby Boomers had (3-5 children), but I digress.
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    Re: How dare Catholics and Trads
    « Reply #1 on: January 06, 2020, 08:50:02 AM »
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  • I agree, I don't see the point in sitting idly by doing nothing. The malaise of Catholics in the last 60 years has gotten us into the mess we're in. We just sit idly by, thumbing our rosaries and not taking action. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking prayer or the rosary, but our enemies are well organized and highly efficient at subverting literally everything moral and good in society, and what do Catholics do?

    Have Knights of Columbus pancake breakfasts...

    Give me a break. It's not enough. I wish we had more magnanimous men willing to storm the gates.

    I'm not a fan of everything Tɾυmρ does, it would be silly to be, but I will definitely vote for him again because at least our country has ever so slightly gotten a push in a more moral direction because of him.

    I tend to agree that a chastisement is necessary at this point to turn things around, but that shouldn't stop us from taking action and laying the foundation now for the new Christendom. Too many Catholics just pray have this mindset that God is going to do everything for them as long as they pray their rosary. That's simply not the case.

    Every Catholic should read the book: Action: A Manual for the Reconstruction of Christendom

    To quote St. Joan of Arc:

    At Poitiers
    Asked by the priests why God needed soldiers:
    “In the name of God! The soldiers will fight and God will give the victory!”


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    Re: How dare Catholics and Trads
    « Reply #2 on: January 06, 2020, 09:05:05 AM »
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  • I agree, I don't see the point in sitting idly by doing nothing. The malaise of Catholics in the last 60 years has gotten us into the mess we're in. We just sit idly by, thumbing our rosaries and not taking action. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking prayer or the rosary, but our enemies are well organized and highly efficient at subverting literally everything moral and good in society, and what do Catholics do?

    Have Knights of Columbus pancake breakfasts...

    Give me a break. It's not enough. I wish we had more magnanimous men willing to storm the gates.

    I'm not a fan of everything Tɾυmρ does, it would be silly to be, but I will definitely vote for him again because at least our country has ever so slightly gotten a push in a more moral direction because of him.

    I tend to agree that a chastisement is necessary at this point to turn things around, but that shouldn't stop us from taking action and laying the foundation now for the new Christendom. Too many Catholics just pray have this mindset that God is going to do everything for them as long as they pray their rosary. That's simply not the case.

    Every Catholic should read the book: Action: A Manual for the Reconstruction of Christendom

    To quote St. Joan of Arc:

    At Poitiers
    Asked by the priests why God needed soldiers:
    “In the name of God! The soldiers will fight and God will give the victory!”
    I am a wife pf a big Tɾυmρ supporter and I myself like Tɾυmρ, but I am not deceived to think that he is working alone...everyone has their backers...I believe God has given us Tɾυmρ as a reprieve and that we should vote for him and pray for him, but I do think we should have little catholic communities of families and individuals who are prepared both spiritually and physically for the chastisement and the revival of christendom...also looking forward to getting and reading that book.

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    Re: How dare Catholics and Trads
    « Reply #3 on: January 06, 2020, 09:13:12 AM »
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  • Finally, with Tɾυmρ on the scene, there is some hope (not supernatural of course). As I said before, I didn’t vote in a presidential general ɛƖɛctıon since Reagan. Those of you who are waiting for your ideal candidate, sadly you will be greatly disappointed. It’s analogous to the Jews still waiting for their temporal messiah. To paraphrase what Matthew asked: What’s your plan if you don’t vote for Tɾυmρ? Are you 100% certain that he is an insider? Do you have a third party spoiler candidate that you will vote for so a Hillary or the pervert from Indiana gets in? If we are wrong about Tɾυmρ we have NOTHING to lose, there is no other option folks! 
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: How dare Catholics and Trads
    « Reply #4 on: January 06, 2020, 09:16:02 AM »
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  • I agree, I don't see the point in sitting idly by doing nothing. The malaise of Catholics in the last 60 years has gotten us into the mess we're in. We just sit idly by, thumbing our rosaries and not taking action. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking prayer or the rosary, but our enemies are well organized and highly efficient at subverting literally everything moral and good in society, and what do Catholics do?

    Have Knights of Columbus pancake breakfasts...

    Give me a break. It's not enough. I wish we had more magnanimous men willing to storm the gates.

    I'm not a fan of everything Tɾυmρ does, it would be silly to be, but I will definitely vote for him again because at least our country has ever so slightly gotten a push in a more moral direction because of him.

    I tend to agree that a chastisement is necessary at this point to turn things around, but that shouldn't stop us from taking action and laying the foundation now for the new Christendom. Too many Catholics just pray have this mindset that God is going to do everything for them as long as they pray their rosary. That's simply not the case.

    Every Catholic should read the book: Action: A Manual for the Reconstruction of Christendom

    To quote St. Joan of Arc:

    At Poitiers
    Asked by the priests why God needed soldiers:
    “In the name of God! The soldiers will fight and God will give the victory!”
    Good post.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: How dare Catholics and Trads
    « Reply #5 on: January 06, 2020, 09:18:13 AM »
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  • I agree with Mathew.   

    My husband and I voted for Tɾυmρ and we will vote for Tɾυmρ again in 2020.  



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    Re: How dare Catholics and Trads
    « Reply #6 on: January 06, 2020, 09:24:38 AM »
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  • Another little point a lot of you haven't thought about:

    The year is 2021. The United States is 1 year into its Second cινιℓ ωαr. It doesn't matter who won the 2020 Presidential ɛƖɛctıon. You can guess what the two sides are (conservatives, those who follow God's design, plan, laws, and the Sons of Belial "without yoke" who want to create a new world without God, without His laws, etc.)

    You will no doubt have to interact with people in your local area, right? To buy/trade for food, supplies, water, protection, etc.

    You with me so far?

    Don't you suppose some groups/leaders will be asking you "Who did you vote for in 2020?" Some will be most interested in knowing where you stand, and if you are part of the problem.

    Not everyone will be 100% cool, calm, and rational about it either. In the book "A Canticle For Leibowitz" there is a global nuclear war, after which the survivors kill off everyone with any "book knowledge" -- those who, in their emotional opinion, helped bring about the disaster. All scientists, computer guys, professors, you name it. The survivors were completely emotional, over-reacting, and "human" in their response. This book was very realistic; the author must be very familiar with both history and human nature.

    Expect high emotion, simple reasoning, and no-nonsense measures. Picture a gun to your head, while someone brings out a Bible and places your hand on it, as someone else asks you who you voted for in the 2020 ɛƖɛctıon.

    Good luck explaining to them your "Catholic" principles that led you to vote for a third party. I wish you the best of luck that the Conservative general/leader/warlord/etc. will let you into his compound (I put Catholic in quotes, because there is NO Catholic principle that requires one to bash Tɾυmρ or not vote for him. And yet you did!)

    Or maybe you can lie to them! God will understand why you broke the 8th commandment...  ...won't He?  But what if the group quizzing you believes in God? They might ask you to swear on the Bible. After all, a leader needing to know if he can trust you or not in a collapse/war scenario WOULD BE SUFFICIENT CAUSE for groups to require individuals to make a solemn oath calling on God to witness to the truth of his words.

    Or maybe you could try your luck with the Liberal side -- just tell them you didn't vote for Tɾυmρ, and show them some of your old anti-Tɾυmρ posts on Social Media! They'll welcome you in as one of their own. Good luck with trying to serve God in such a group, however. It will be like living in sơdơm.

    Or maybe you could continue to be "aloof from both sides", not living in any compound -- Good luck posting 24/7 guards taken from your small family. Yes, I said small family. I'm going to assume you have 12 children. Like I said, small family. Compared to an army, gang, or any organized group, any single family is SMALL. It's difficult to impossible to have proper security if you're just one family. How many men aged 13 or older will you have? You will eventually fall to the first gang that attacks your house looking for supplies.

    Long story short: You need to pick a side. Lone-Wolfing it isn't going to cut it. I know, you're too unique, too special, too creative to fit into any "box". But maybe you need to get over yourself and pick a side. Those who want God/nation/law or those who want the devil/nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr/ƈσmmυɳιsm.

    You WILL have to choose. And there will only be two sides in the upcoming conflict. The expression "You're either with us or against us" comes to mind. In war, you are either "with us" or "with the enemy". Lone wolves are treated as enemy by default.
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    Re: How dare Catholics and Trads
    « Reply #7 on: January 06, 2020, 09:58:04 AM »
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  • My concern in an upcoming conflict is just making out alive until the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart in a place like America. We have such deeply entrenched multiculturalism that in the event of a collapse here it would be absolute total chaos. People will go absolutely bonkers. Another issue is that traditionalist Catholics, whether SSPXMC, SSPX, ICKSP, FSSP, Diocesan, whatever, are so spread out and non-homogeneous that linking up together will be incredibly difficult unless you already moved very close to your parish, and even then, most traditionalists live relatively far away from their traditional parishes (>20min drive or more).

    Our priest has been encouraging families to move as close to the parish as possible, and I think that's a good thing, but in the event that we suffer a cινιℓ ωαr and or collapse, you will be forced to become friends with your more conservative neighbors in order to try to quell the horde, there will simply be no other option than to ally with protestants and more conservative leaning people, but you have to be really careful about this because you cannot inherently trust a non-Catholic and even Catholics today you also have to be somewhat careful about unless you know them personally from your parish and have vetted them.

    In all seriousness, I think most Americans will end up starving to death in the event of a collapse, or get shot trying to steal food. That's my take at least.

    Now, how do we remedy these situations? Well, you build up communities and organize and emergency plan at your parish so that in the event of something crazy you have a battle plan. Taking action is important, sitting idly by is what is going to kill most of us. We have to be willing to break out of our comfort zones. There are going to be some extremely heavy crosses coming our way in the near future and we have to do our best to prepare for them.

    If you don't have firearms and a long-term supply of food, water and gardening tools and seeds, you really need to start now.


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    Re: How dare Catholics and Trads
    « Reply #8 on: January 06, 2020, 10:05:19 AM »
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  • If you don't have firearms and a long-term supply of food, water and gardening tools and seeds, you really need to start now.

    And keep in mind: gardening takes skill. As someone who has done some gardening, I'm here to tell you there are a LOT of obstacles between your little packet of tomato seeds and a bushel-basket of tomatoes 3 months later. Pests, climate/weather, your soil, nutrients, equipment, timing, etc. all have to be figured out -- for each thing you plant.

    It's very tempting (especially for those who have a nice nest egg, who are a bit older with plenty of money saved up) to just buy a mega-pack of heirloom seeds, a short shopping spree at the hardware or Home Improvement big box store, throw it in a corner of the garage and say "I'm good to go". Not even!

    The time to practice gardening is NOW, when crop failure means a couple trips to the grocery store -- not starvation for your family.
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    Re: How dare Catholics and Trads
    « Reply #9 on: January 06, 2020, 10:23:24 AM »
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  • If you don't have firearms and a long-term supply of food, water and gardening tools and seeds, and skill sets, you really need to start now.

    Fixed it for you. :-)

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    Re: How dare Catholics and Trads
    « Reply #10 on: January 06, 2020, 10:24:57 AM »
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  • It was implied, but ok. Thanks?


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    Re: How dare Catholics and Trads
    « Reply #11 on: January 06, 2020, 03:41:30 PM »
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  • You WILL have to choose. And there will only be two sides in the upcoming conflict. The expression "You're either with us or against us" comes to mind. In war, you are either "with us" or "with the enemy". Lone wolves are treated as enemy by default.

    Yes, this is what it comes down to.

    I can understand why some Traditional Catholics don't like Pres. Tɾυmρ, and refuse to vote for him. However...the alternative is the lҽϝƚιsƚ Deep State, which is really, really evil. I don't think that this can be emphasized enough. If the lҽϝƚιsƚ Deep State regains complete control, the situation will get really bad.

    Yes, Tɾυmρ supports same-sex marriage, and he is in league with Jews and Israel. I'm definitely worried about his alliance with Jews/Israel, but even so, life will be far worse under the lҽϝƚιsƚ Deep State than it is under a Tɾυmρ Presidency. Just my opinion.
    "There is no religion higher than my own opinion."

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    Re: How dare Catholics and Trads
    « Reply #12 on: January 06, 2020, 03:50:06 PM »
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  • It was implied, but ok. Thanks?
    I wasn't trying to give you a hard time, just being playful.

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    Re: How dare Catholics and Trads
    « Reply #13 on: January 06, 2020, 03:56:23 PM »
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  • Yes, this is what it comes down to.

    I can understand why some Traditional Catholics don't like Pres. Tɾυmρ, and refuse to vote for him. However...the alternative is the lҽϝƚιsƚ Deep State, which is really, really evil. I don't think that this can be emphasized enough. If the lҽϝƚιsƚ Deep State regains complete control, the situation will get really bad.

    Yes, Tɾυmρ supports same-sex marriage, and he is in league with Jews and Israel. I'm definitely worried about his alliance with Jews/Israel, but even so, life will be far worse under the lҽϝƚιsƚ Deep State than it is under a Tɾυmρ Presidency. Just my opinion.
    Once again,
    Objective right and wrong are the issues that matter.
    Political right and left admix wrong with right, so efforts to defend the political right or political left are problematic for practicing Catholics—and that is precisely why so many of us choke on a vote for Tɾυmρ.

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    Re: How dare Catholics and Trads
    « Reply #14 on: January 06, 2020, 04:52:21 PM »
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