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Offline Gray2023

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Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2024, 10:57:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 28, 2024, 08:52:57 PM
    NATO has been escalating this war since even before 2014.  The crazy Dems want WW3 between Russia and the West. It’s their ‘end game’ to destroy (what’s left of) Christian culture and then let China take over as world superpower. 

    If you want to know their plans, go research the Denver airport murals which depict the aftermath of a nuclear war, killing billions, which is an offering to satan, to usher in the Nwo.  It’s sick stuff.  These people don’t hide their heinous plans.
    https://www.uncovercolorado.com/denver-airport-murals-painting-location/
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #31 on: October 30, 2024, 02:40:57 AM »
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    • "There will be no more new restrictions on the use of American weapons for Ukraine if the DPRK joins the war - Pentagon" https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1850958136913641481 So, for Putin supporters, is North Korea on the right side too? NK, as we know, is a godless Commie dictatorship that persecutes Christians. If NK is on one side, chances are high the other side is on the right side.
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #32 on: October 30, 2024, 03:43:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: MarkM on October 30, 2024, 02:40:57 AM
    "There will be no more new restrictions on the use of American weapons for Ukraine if the DPRK joins the war - Pentagon" https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1850958136913641481 So, for Putin supporters, is North Korea on the right side too? NK, as we know, is a godless Commie dictatorship that persecutes Christians. If NK is on one side, chances are high the other side is on the right side.

    Do you hold the same standard for those like Ronald Reagan and his dealings with some questionable characters of the Middle East during the Cold War? This merely tells me that he needs more troops but does not want to use conscription. This whole thing is going to spiral out of control unless stopped, NATO needs to back off and the USA Deep State needs to go down... As RFK Jr said, this whole thing is as existential for Russia as the USA losing a war to a hostile Mexico would be, yet we almost had Nuclear Apocalypse over the Cuban Missile Crisis and they didn't even share a land border with the USA.



    Both Putin and Trump stopped ISIS in Syria. Trump has been thwarting their plans perhaps not even intentionally but just because he is not in on it and Putin stood up to them in Syria stopping ISIS.

    "For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."

    God Bless
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #33 on: October 30, 2024, 04:21:20 AM »
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    • Sorry, Reagan was a hero. Reagan didn't invade others countries. Putin is no hero. Putin has. Raegan helped Poland beat back the USSR and win the cold war. Putin has said he considers the fall of the Soviet Union the worst geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century and wants to undo it. Ukraine has the right to its own self determination without being harassed and invaded by Russia. If Putin wants to do something useful for Christendom, let him call off the war and send Russian missionary priests to convert the Godless Commies of atheist North Korea that persecutes Christians. Do you think Putin has even remotely brought up with North Korea that it needs to stop the persecution?
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #34 on: October 30, 2024, 04:39:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: MarkM on October 30, 2024, 04:21:20 AM
    Sorry, Reagan was a hero. Reagan didn't invade others countries. Putin is no hero. Putin has. Raegan helped Poland beat back the USSR and win the cold war. Putin has said he considers the fall of the Soviet Union the worst geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century and wants to undo it. Ukraine has the right to its own self determination without being harassed and invaded by Russia. If Putin wants to do something useful for Christendom, let him call off the war and send Russian missionary priests to convert the Godless Commies of atheist North Korea that persecutes Christians. Do you think Putin has even remotely brought up with North Korea that it needs to stop the persecution?
    Oh, come on Mark, get serious!
    We cannot know 99.9% of the scheming behind the scenes and the real motivation for the decisions that are made in these international affairs.
    But look who is for the Ukraine and against Russia. That should tell you everything you need to know!
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #35 on: October 30, 2024, 04:40:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: MarkM on October 30, 2024, 04:21:20 AM
    Sorry, Reagan was a hero. Reagan didn't invade others countries. Putin is no hero. Putin has. Raegan helped Poland beat back the USSR and win the cold war. Putin has said he considers the fall of the Soviet Union the worst geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century and wants to undo it. Ukraine has the right to its own self determination without being harassed and invaded by Russia. If Putin wants to do something useful for Christendom, let him call off the war and send Russian missionary priests to convert the Godless Commies of atheist North Korea that persecutes Christians. Do you think Putin has even remotely brought up with North Korea that it needs to stop the persecution?

    Lets start one at a time and maybe I can help undo just some of the many years of propaganda. I can't answer everything but there is some I can answer.

    I also like Ronald Reagan and he is one of my favourite US Presidents and of course in light of the USSR alternative I'm glad Reagan succeeded... but lets not be naïve here either, the CIA asset George H.W. Bush was his VP and there was certainly some shady stuff going on there too.



    Now in terms of Putin wanting to restore the USSR, this is a lie, they have taken partially what he said and taken it totally out of context, essentially it goes, those who do not mourn the collapse of the USSR have no heart, those who want to see it returned have no brains... because of course, that time was not good for Russia, especially the terrorism in the North Caucasus and the buying up of state assets for super cheap and the resulting oligarchy and so much more. You tend to only get good leaders in difficult times, because the opportunists don't want it when it comes with a cost or risk and thus flee.

    I think Ronald Reagan was sincere when dealing the the USSR but when the USSR collapsed and Reagan was no longer there, the US Deep State used their advantage to take advantage of Russia while they were trying to get back on their feet again IMO. 

    In terms of North Korea, I don't know what has been discussed with them or not nor even what the situation is currently, I know there are major problems, I don't know how one would even go about solving them, so I pray and do what I can and speak of what I know.

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

    God Bless
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #36 on: October 30, 2024, 04:47:10 AM »
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    • Plenus and Josh, thanks for the responses. 

    Josh, what I want, after Trump hopefully gets back into office, since Trump and Putin had an excellent relationship, for the US and Russia to work together. That should happen, but Putin has allowed himself to be played by the Deep State globalists who wanted an excuse to wage war against Russia. If he had not invaded another country, that could never have happened, even under Biden. So the Deep State set a trap for Putin, making Biden say "a small invasion" would be ok - whereas they never intended it to be. They intended him to make that mistake. Anyway, hopefully Trump gets in, and the US-Russia sort it out and make peace in 2025 along with Ukraine. And since Our Lady has promised us the conversion of Russia, we should be praying ardently that Russia and the Russian Orthodox Church and Russian Patriarch etc grow open to reunion with and finally convert to the Roman Catholic Church.

    Yes, the west should have done more in the post reagan, post cold war period to promote friendly relations between the US and Russia. That was not done. And almost everyone now realizes that was a mistake too. 
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #37 on: October 30, 2024, 04:50:53 AM »
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    • Here's the reference: "Joe Biden’s “Minor Incursion” Russia Remark: History Proves It Was a Mistake

    "During his long, rambling Jan. 19 press conference, Biden made yet another major policy misstep. Russia, he suggested would face but minor consequences if it restrained itself to but a “minor incursion” into Ukraine. Unsurprisingly, the suggestion that an invasion—if properly sized—would draw only a wrist slap left officials in Kyiv gobsmacked. So, too, were officials across Europe, as well as many in the U.S. political, foreign policy, and defense establishments."

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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #38 on: October 30, 2024, 04:53:43 AM »
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    • and reminder that Putin already had plans to do this in the 2016-2020 period, but Trump kept him out of Ukraine: "Trump claimed he'd told Russian President Vladimir Putin: "We're friends. I don't want to do it but... if you go after Ukraine, I am going to hit you so hard," including "right in the middle of fricking Moscow." https://www.axios.com/2024/10/26/trump-foreign-policy-china-taiwan-russia-ukraine Trump kept Putin out of Ukraine.



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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #39 on: October 30, 2024, 04:57:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: MarkM on October 30, 2024, 04:47:10 AM
    Plenus and Josh, thanks for the responses.

    Josh, what I want, after Trump hopefully gets back into office, since Trump and Putin had an excellent relationship, for the US and Russia to work together. That should happen, but Putin has allowed himself to be played by the Deep State globalists who wanted an excuse to wage war against Russia. If he had not invaded another country, that could never have happened, even under Biden. So the Deep State set a trap for Putin, making Biden say "a small invasion" would be ok - whereas they never intended it to be. They intended him to make that mistake. Anyway, hopefully Trump gets in, and the US-Russia sort it out and make peace in 2025 along with Ukraine. And since Our Lady has promised us the conversion of Russia, we should be praying ardently that Russia and the Russian Orthodox Church and Russian Patriarch etc grow open to reunion with and finally convert to the Roman Catholic Church.

    Yes, the west should have done more in the post reagan, post cold war period to promote friendly relations between the US and Russia. That was not done. And almost everyone now realizes that was a mistake too.

    I want that also, but I would caution that it cannot happen if you blindly condemn everyone when there is a lot we don't know about going on behind the scenes.

    You say Putin has allowed himself to be played... well, Putin was former KGB and is not naïve to the work of the intel agencies IMO he is doing the best he can and these actions were because he had no other choice, as the footage from 2014 in my previous post showed regarding the Minsk agreements etc, he tried many times for diplomatic solutions and ways out of this and he is consistent going back many years.





    I agree that we should pray for Russia and our nations too.

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

    "Theotokos of Smolensk, Theotokos of Kazan, Theotokos of Port Arthur, Pray for us."

    God Bless
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #40 on: October 30, 2024, 05:24:26 AM »
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    • Josh, Putin has brought immense suffering to millions of people. Some 10 MN people are displaced now thanks to his actions. At the height of the war, it was something like 20 MN if I recall correctly: "3.7 million people remained displaced within Ukraine and 6.3 million Ukrainians remained abroad, having fled the war as refugees and asylum-seekers." https://reporting.unhcr.org/operational/situations/ukraine-situation

    Here are the 4 conditions of Just war. Pls explain how Putin's invasion respects those moral principles

    • "The damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave and certain.
    • All other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective.
    • There must be serious prospects of success.
    • The use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory

    The one fact that 10 million people are suffering now and weren't before the war shows that "evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated" have indeed been produced which means the proportionality condition of Just war has not been satisfied. Putin's invasion was a land grab, he tried even attacking Kyiv before he was repelled. Why did he do that? What possible claim could he have on Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine? Answer: none at all.
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #41 on: October 30, 2024, 07:29:45 AM »
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    Putin's invasion was a land grab
    You're woefully uneducated and wrong.  Stop drinking the propaganda koolaid. 
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #42 on: October 30, 2024, 07:54:13 AM »
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    • Oh really? Ok then, explain why Putin tried to attack Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine? Can Putin really claim Kyiv belongs to him? "The battle of Kyiv was part of the Kyiv offensive in the Russian invasion of Ukraine for control of Kyiv, the capital city of Ukraine, and surrounding districts including Hostomel Airport. The combatants were elements of the Russian Armed Forces and Ukrainian Armed Forces. The battle lasted from 25 February 2022 to 2 April 2022 and ended with the withdrawal of Russian forces." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022) Putin would have annexed Kyiv if he could have. He just couldn't, and was pushed back, so he stopped attempting to. "Initially, Russian forces captured key areas to the north and west of Kyiv, leading to international prediction of the city's imminent fall. However, stiff Ukrainian resistance sapped Russian momentum. Poor Russian logistics and tactical decisions helped the defenders to thwart efforts at encirclement, and, after a month of protracted fighting, Ukrainian forces began counterattacking. Following the successful Ukrainian counterattacks in late March, Russia began withdrawing its forces from the Kyiv area on 29 March." Ukraine has every right to defend its entire territory like it defended Kyiv.
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #43 on: October 30, 2024, 08:05:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: MarkM on October 30, 2024, 02:40:57 AM
    "There will be no more new restrictions on the use of American weapons for Ukraine if the DPRK joins the war - Pentagon" https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1850958136913641481 So, for Putin supporters, is North Korea on the right side too? NK, as we know, is a godless Commie dictatorship that persecutes Christians. If NK is on one side, chances are high the other side is on the right side.

    There's no chance in hell Ukraine is "the right side".

    1. NATO sides with them. Nuff said.
    2. They kidnap civilian men off the streets to serve.
    3. The country doesn't seem to care that Russia is "conquering" them. Interesting.
    4. If this was a classic "oh no, we're being invaded, better defend our homeland" they would have done a full mobilization by now. 
    5. Ukraine is losing partly because of their dubious distinction of "most corrupt country on earth". Money that was supposed to go to build trenches and fortifications went into politicians' pockets, etc.
    6. Remember Burisma? All the talk of Ukraine in the context of American politics? Americans have the memory of a goldfish.
    7. Zelensky is a turbo fαɢɢօt. And I choose that phrase carefully and on purpose.
    8. Worse, Zelensky is a Jew and 100% of evidence shows Zelensky doesn't care about the population of Ukraine ONE IOTA.
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #44 on: October 30, 2024, 08:16:26 AM »
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    • So, Matthew, according to you, is NATO worse than North Korea? NATO is basically America and Europe along with Canada. NATO nations are far from perfect, but NORTH KOREA is North Korea, an atheist commie dictatorship that persecutes Christians and is consistently ranked near the bottom on any measure of progress, freedom, human development etc. If Putin is this "great Christian hero" some trads believe him to be, why isn't he at least asking North Korea to stop persecuting Christians?

    And Ukraine's other failings doesn't mean a war invading it and occupying about 20% of its territory satisfies the strict conditions for Just war. Ukraine is conscripting its own citizens. Putin is conscripting North Korean communists. Our Lady told us to fight Communism, and pray for Russia's conversion. Pope Pius XI said "no one who would save Christian civilization may collaborate with Communism in any undertaking whatsoever". Putin should take note, as that's what he's doing. There have been some positive changes in Russia since the USSR fell, but it hasn't completely converted yet, as Our Lady of Fatima said it would have to for there to be peace. Let's pray for peace whatever our view on the war. Here's another source on the human suffering the war has caused.

    Wiki: "As of 2024, Russian troops occupy about 20% of Ukraine. From a population of 41 million, about 8 million Ukrainians had been internally displaced and more than 8.2 million had fled the country by April 2023, creating Europe's largest refugee crisis since World War II." Causing 10+ million people to suffer displacement, not to mention the lives of soldiers and civilians lost on both side, hardly satisfies the strict just war criteria.
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