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Traditional Catholic Faith => Politics and World Leaders => Topic started by: Matthew on October 27, 2024, 04:41:16 AM
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Great video on Russia and Ukraine. I learned a lot, and I didn't expect to learn a lot. The guy he's interviewing, "History Legends", really knows his stuff.
He doesn't speak in broad generalizations, but goes into specifics about how and why Russia is winning the war. I found this an easy listen due to how interesting the material was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A56zbbMEzE
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I haven't finished watching it all yet, but I feel I have to respond to @20:00 - 22:00 in.
That is truly awful and a horrible lesson. That is a crime against humanity but even practically he is wrong here and furthermore, if they do it with you they'll do it to you.
There is so much I could say, but after typing out a lot (Battle of Kursk 1943, Winter War 1939, sheer weight of numbers working in the former but not the latter etc) I realised it was probably better not to, I mean, are we at war are we not at war? Who is considered 'fair game' and who is not? What is even considered within bounds and out of bounds?
I will just say that first of all numbers are not irrelevant but they certainly are not everything, it varies wildly. Conscription is a weakness not a strength and the cause and the manner in which one conducts themselves matters! If King Louis XIV had of heeded the Sacred Heart, the weapons would have been the same, the numbers would have been the same, but the passion would have been completely different... St Joan of Ark was some woman on a horse with a flag who didn't do any of the killing.
"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
God Bless
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Napoleon also had the largest army Europe had ever seen at that time. Was it the attrition strategy of Barclay de Tolly and Kutuzov? Partially... Was it the severe weather? Partially... Was it the zeal and courage of those like Prince Bagration? Partially... Theotokos of Smolensk?
Take for example Joshua of the Old Testament, the Israelites and the Ark of the Covenant, was it just the Israelites passion and zeal that tipped the balance? Partially...
"The gates of hell will never prevail, where she offers her protection. She is the good mother, the mother of all, and it has never been heard, that those who seek her protection, will not receive it. With this certainty, the Pope dedicates all people of Russia to the immaculate heart of the Virgin. She will help! Error and atheism will be overcome with her assistance and divine grace." - Pope Pius XII, 1952
"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
God Bless
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Even WWI that he brings up just after @22:00, I mean, that was probably rather apt but it most certainly was not a how to guide, that was an absolutely horrific, evil nightmare for all involved and absolutely nobody can claim victory from it.
"For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
God Bless
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Truly... to the last Ukrainian. If everyone is hiding, then that already tells you everything. The fact that they fled says they don't believe in the cause and if your relying on them then you've already lost and furthermore, if you try to force them to do the fighting and dying for you then your a monster IMO and of course they are hiding and fleeing (why aren't those trying to force these people to fight and die against their will not volunteering themselves? They shouldn't have time for such a thing).
Apologies for the multiple posts, I'll stop now.
"For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
God Bless
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Sorry for another post but I have to, @1:32:55 I created a thread to clarify this -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrQ7pH4r2jk
In relation to the following -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SylQNXnUnLc
Then you can go back to 2016 when they were asking Putin and you can see it's a no win situation for him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEB9a_m8kr0
That CNN guys face got so red after being called out because he knows he is being dishonest.
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I'm very sorry but one more post because I absolutely have to... @2:15:00, yes, I haven't forgotten about 2014, why did he not mention Victoria Nuland I wonder?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2XNN0Yt6D8
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2014... just the year after they deposed and usurped Pope Benedict XVI too. Obama's administration were on a roll, Arab Spring... Catholic Spring...
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…Who is considered 'fair game' and who is not? What is even considered within bounds and out of bounds?…
Practicing Catholics know the answer to those questions.
A just war requires:
(1) just authority,
(2) a just cause, and
(3) a rightful intention.
As a last resort only the necessary amount of force may be used until the just cause is accomplished—no disproportionate force, “scorched earth,” perpetual war, or atrocities against non-combatants.
Summa Theologiae: War (Secunda Secundae Partis, Question 40)
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3040.htm
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Practicing Catholics know the answer to those questions.
That's not what I was talking about when I said that. I was thinking of what happened to Aleksandr Dugin's daughter, Gonzalo Lira and others... I know the answer to those questions, but not everyone else follows ROE or any other such stipulations of a just war. We should not self censor in response to such cold blooded murders of non combatants, but I think one should be careful not to be unnecessarily reckless either.
Whatever one thinks of FDR, this was a good speech -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j32hF5S_SLo
"For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
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Practicing Catholics know the answer to those questions.
A just war requires:
(1) just authority,
(2) a just cause, and
(3) a rightful intention.
As a last resort only the necessary amount of force may be used until the just cause is accomplished—no disproportionate force, “scorched earth,” perpetual war, or atrocities against non-combatants.
Summa Theologiae: War (Secunda Secundae Partis, Question 40)
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3040.htm
Yes, you and I agree on this, M79. Good reference.
It's at best hard to see how Russia's invasion satisfies Thomistic just war criteria. Russia's invasion was to gobble up more land. That doesn't fulfil just war criteria. But it was a Deep State trap for Putin, as +Vigano too hinted at. Let's pray for peace.
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"Trump claimed he'd told Russian President Vladimir Putin: "We're friends. I don't want to do it but... if you go after Ukraine, I am going to hit you so hard," including "right in the middle of fricking Moscow." https://www.axios.com/2024/10/26/trump-foreign-policy-china-taiwan-russia-ukraine Trump kept Putin out of Ukraine.
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Yes, we can't have any realism or objective criticism of the war. We have to adhere to the Western propaganda at all times.
He criticizes Ukraine? Must be a vodka-swilling, commie Russian! Get him!
The host (Willy Oam) actually said he's pro-Ukraine. But more importantly, he's completely objective and calls a spade a spade. He's not living in la-la land. You can hardly tell which side he's "pulling for" -- which is good.
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"Trump claimed he'd told Russian President Vladimir Putin: "We're friends. I don't want to do it but... if you go after Ukraine, I am going to hit you so hard," including "right in the middle of fricking Moscow." https://www.axios.com/2024/10/26/trump-foreign-policy-china-taiwan-russia-ukraine Trump kept Putin out of Ukraine.
I do worry about this though, I definitely support and pray for Trump, nevertheless, this is not about being a 'strong man'. NATO needs to back off, the US Deep State which seeks war with Russia (among much more) needs to go down IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vrnygjSL9M
"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
God Bless
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Yes, we can't have any realism or objective criticism of the war. We have to adhere to the Western propaganda at all times.
He criticizes Ukraine? Must be a vodka-swilling, commie Russian! Get him!
The host (Willy Oam) actually said he's pro-Ukraine. But more importantly, he's completely objective and calls a spade a spade. He's not living in la-la land. You can hardly tell which side he's "pulling for" -- which is good.
Ok, Matthew, but I think you'll agree these are two separate questions. (1) the practical question, is Russia winning the war? (2) the moral question, was Russia justified in invading Ukraine in the first place?
I don't know who's winning right now, haven't followed in a while, but I haven't seen a just case for the invasion. And anyway, if Trump gets in, what I liked is he had a good relationship with Putin while still being against any invasion.
Josh, can the US start invading Mexico even if somethings Mexico does are not so good? Conflict resolution must be a little better than that. Russia is a member of the United Nations security council. If it had any issue with Ukraine, it could have raised it there. Just like with WW1, the Deep State plan is to get Christian nations is to fight each other.
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Their plan is not for this side or that side to win at all. Their plan is for millions of Christians on both sides to die.
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Josh, can the US start invading Mexico even if somethings Mexico does are not so good? Conflict resolution must be a little better than that. Russia is a member of the United Nations security council. If it had any issue with Ukraine, it could have raised it there. Just like with WW1, the Deep State plan is to get Christian nations is to fight each other.
Cuban Missile Crisis - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis
United States Invasion of Panama - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama
I mean, what were they even doing in Syria at all? Syria never attacked us? Where were the WMD's in Iraq? Why is it that the most powerful military in the world just could not stop ISIS no matter what they did yet when Trump won in 2016 and Russia got involved ISIS was finished? They even tried to conduct a fαℓѕє fℓαg attack to trick Trump and keep the USA involved and thus keep ISIS alive, knowing full well the numerous atrocities ISIS were committing. Thankfully Trump side-stepped despite enormous pressure and responded in a way that did not escalate.
Russia has been talking about it and raising the issue for years, you have never seen it because of western propaganda. There are also the Minsk agreements which Angela Merkel admitted were a sham so they could buy time and pump Ukraine with weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Tb_RwrRXM
"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
God Bless
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For those who believe that Russia is an anti globalist entity, I encourage you to read the Edward Slavsquat substack. Russia is about 10 years behind the rest of europe in population replacement but for 'sustainable' economics, digital currency, health as an excuse for social control and the imprisonment of patriots, they are a good match for any progressive western nation. They only differ from the rest of the west over 'gαy' pride. https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/ (https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/)
For those who believe that Russia is winning in the Donbass, you need to step back and think. In February 2022 Russia was at the gates of Kiev, now Ukraine are at the gates of Kursk, the neo nαzι prisoners from Azovstal have been returned to Ukraine, 1500 km has been added to NATO border with Russia when Finland joined. So clearly the reasons Putin gave for the February 2022 offensive, which was to stamp out nαzιsm and to prevent the growth of NATO on their borders is not the real reason.
Patriots (like Igor Strelkov) in Russia are in jail for asking questions like, why hasn't Russia mobilsed, why are the the bridges on the Dneipr intact, which means that all the NATO tanks and artillery pieces can move to the front, why is Russia still supplying gas to Ukraine and the West? You will find good explanations at the Rolo Slavskiy substack. Warning, he is very anti-christian and you have to get used to his writing style, but most of his infomation comes from patriotic Russian language sites like the Ria Novosti telegram channel. https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/ (https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/)
For those still trusting the plan, it's important to note that Putin, Trump, Dougin and to a lesser extent, Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk are under the influence of Chabad Loubavitch, the most active messianic Jєωιѕн operation at the moment.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laWFqvmZ-AA
If Russia's elections were as rigged as the west claims, then why did Prigozhin's coup attempt fail? After all, that is the ultimate test isn't it? Furthermore, the ones constantly making these accusations are the same people we know blatantly cheated in 2020 with mail in ballots, censorship etc. As Dr Robert Malone rightly points out, Twitter and Facebook were designed and setup as weapons from the outset, thankfully they are losing that control with those like Elon Musk and many others asking questions and trying to restore free speech.
God Bless
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Warning, he is very anti-christian and you have to get used to his writing style
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This is a typical article that relates how the russian deep state treats the natives. The writing style is what it but the concept of governments using the sons of Ham as an army against us is used across the Christian world
"Now, the systematic criminal predation of non-European groups at vulnerable portions of the European population is a story as old as time. “Crime” as a concept is almost entirely a hoax. Because what is referred to as crime nowadays is actually organized racial guerrilla warfare — this is simply the enemy’s way of making asymmetrical war on the native population, on us. They do this because they cannot field armies or mobilize their own societies to the extent that we can, so we will always be able to crush them in war and they know that as well and this causes great fear and resentment on their part....
The hostile lesser races are almost a distraction, really. Like, the threat that they pose is very real, but the true obstacle is the spook state and the resources that it can marshal in its own defense and in defense of its program of predation against the native population. Mostly, it is the standing army of various kinds of cops and their allies in the ethnic criminal mafias (auxiliaries) that needs to be overcome by nativists somehow"
Russia will typically use 'covid restrictions' as a pretext to shut down any Russian patriotic demonstration. As far as I know, even Biden, Macron or Starmer have never used that excuse.
https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/gypsy-apocalypse-in-chelyabinsk-escalates (https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/gypsy-apocalypse-in-chelyabinsk-escalates)
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Why would you be reading from and believing someone so hostile to Christendom? Ignorance is one thing, but open hostility? how can you expect such people to come to any sound conclusions when they have got this one so very wrong? not just a little wrong but inverted, not even ignorance but hostility? Don't you think you would start there before any other issue? How can you brush over such a thing like that?
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Why would you be reading from and believing someone so hostile to Christendom? Ignorance is one thing, but open hostility? how can you expect such people to come to any sound conclusions when they have got this one so very wrong? not just a little wrong but inverted, not even ignorance but hostility? Don't you think you would start there before any other issue? How can you brush over such a thing like that?
Because in the English language,where Putin's Russia is presented as either the savior or the enemy, there are no better sources to explain what's really going in Russia. Most here are adult enough to read something where they don't agree with everything. It's called eating the meat and spitting out the bones. Much of the anti covid and flat earth informationis is was new age pagan, I still read it and haven't taken up yoga.
This information is critical for those who are under the illusion that they should pack up and move to Russia to get away from 'gαy pride'
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…was Russia justified in invading Ukraine in the first place?…
(((Nuland/Kagan)))'s Ukrainian coup installed a (((regime))) that began killing ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Russia/Putin tried diplomacy to end the killing, but failed. Having tolerated the killings since 2014, Russia/Putin finally responded militarily.
I would argue that the Russian invasion did and still does meet St. Thomas Aquinas's just war criteria.
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Maidan was entirely the Ukrainians. They wanted to get *away* from Russian influence, take their country back and depose Yanukovych, who was trying to steer the country in another direction. Zelensky wasn't for another almost five years after, and they thought he was suspicious for making most of his money in Russian film.
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Maidan was entirely the Ukrainians. …
:laugh2: Tell us another funny one!
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Their plan is not for this side or that side to win at all. Their plan is for millions of Christians on both sides to die.
Wow, I agree with you on something. Most of the Christian deaths are happening on the Ukrainian side, of course, which just so happens to be the ancient Khazarian homeland ... and part of the map of Greater Israel (that Brother Nathanael showed). In addition to the deaths, Colonel MacGregor cited numbers to the effect that nearly 10 million Ukrainians have left Ukraine to never return (nearly a third of their population). There are videos of pilgrim Jews entering Ukraine.
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Ok, Matthew, but I think you'll agree these are two separate questions. (1) the practical question, is Russia winning the war? (2) the moral question, was Russia justified in invading Ukraine in the first place?
I don't know who's winning right now, haven't followed in a while, but I haven't seen a just case for the invasion. And anyway, if Trump gets in, what I liked is he had a good relationship with Putin while still being against any invasion.
Josh, can the US start invading Mexico even if somethings Mexico does are not so good? Conflict resolution must be a little better than that. Russia is a member of the United Nations security council. If it had any issue with Ukraine, it could have raised it there. Just like with WW1, the Deep State plan is to get Christian nations is to fight each other.
You don't know much about the history of this conflict. Heck, I don't know everything, but apparently I know more than you.
Firstly, the war started in 2014. This latest 'chapter' is just a continuation of that conflict.
Secondly, the Ukrainians "started it". They were faithless, double-crossers (insert other like terms here) in various accords/deals, which forced the current conflict. But most importantly, Russian civilians were being persecuted and killed, so Russia had to intervene to save them.
So please spare us the NAFO propaganda about this war ("big bad Putin the Sith Lord decided he wanted more territory, so invaded Ukraine, etc.") It is NOT that comic book simple.
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By the way, how many of you actually watched the video, the topic of this thread?
They don't discuss the morality of the war at all. I repeat: I learned a lot from this interview, about modern war, how this war is different from previous wars, how the Russians made mistakes, how they've learned from their mistakes, etc.
VERY INTERESTING STUFF. WELL WORTH YOUR TIME. I don't know how else to say it. If you want to stay ignorant, no one's going to stop you. I found it a fascinating listen while I did work on my tractor.
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NATO has been escalating this war since even before 2014. The crazy Dems want WW3 between Russia and the West. It’s their ‘end game’ to destroy (what’s left of) Christian culture and then let China take over as world superpower.
If you want to know their plans, go research the Denver airport murals which depict the aftermath of a nuclear war, killing billions, which is an offering to satan, to usher in the Nwo. It’s sick stuff. These people don’t hide their heinous plans.
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NATO has been escalating this war since even before 2014. The crazy Dems want WW3 between Russia and the West. It’s their ‘end game’ to destroy (what’s left of) Christian culture and then let China take over as world superpower.
If you want to know their plans, go research the Denver airport murals which depict the aftermath of a nuclear war, killing billions, which is an offering to satan, to usher in the Nwo. It’s sick stuff. These people don’t hide their heinous plans.
https://www.uncovercolorado.com/denver-airport-murals-painting-location/
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"There will be no more new restrictions on the use of American weapons for Ukraine if the DPRK joins the war - Pentagon" https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1850958136913641481 So, for Putin supporters, is North Korea on the right side too? NK, as we know, is a godless Commie dictatorship that persecutes Christians. If NK is on one side, chances are high the other side is on the right side.
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"There will be no more new restrictions on the use of American weapons for Ukraine if the DPRK joins the war - Pentagon" https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1850958136913641481 So, for Putin supporters, is North Korea on the right side too? NK, as we know, is a godless Commie dictatorship that persecutes Christians. If NK is on one side, chances are high the other side is on the right side.
Do you hold the same standard for those like Ronald Reagan and his dealings with some questionable characters of the Middle East during the Cold War? This merely tells me that he needs more troops but does not want to use conscription. This whole thing is going to spiral out of control unless stopped, NATO needs to back off and the USA Deep State needs to go down... As RFK Jr said, this whole thing is as existential for Russia as the USA losing a war to a hostile Mexico would be, yet we almost had Nuclear Apocalypse over the Cuban Missile Crisis and they didn't even share a land border with the USA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Oo4JCMm5S0
Both Putin and Trump stopped ISIS in Syria. Trump has been thwarting their plans perhaps not even intentionally but just because he is not in on it and Putin stood up to them in Syria stopping ISIS.
"For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
God Bless
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Sorry, Reagan was a hero. Reagan didn't invade others countries. Putin is no hero. Putin has. Raegan helped Poland beat back the USSR and win the cold war. Putin has said he considers the fall of the Soviet Union the worst geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century and wants to undo it. Ukraine has the right to its own self determination without being harassed and invaded by Russia. If Putin wants to do something useful for Christendom, let him call off the war and send Russian missionary priests to convert the Godless Commies of atheist North Korea that persecutes Christians. Do you think Putin has even remotely brought up with North Korea that it needs to stop the persecution?
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Sorry, Reagan was a hero. Reagan didn't invade others countries. Putin is no hero. Putin has. Raegan helped Poland beat back the USSR and win the cold war. Putin has said he considers the fall of the Soviet Union the worst geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century and wants to undo it. Ukraine has the right to its own self determination without being harassed and invaded by Russia. If Putin wants to do something useful for Christendom, let him call off the war and send Russian missionary priests to convert the Godless Commies of atheist North Korea that persecutes Christians. Do you think Putin has even remotely brought up with North Korea that it needs to stop the persecution?
Oh, come on Mark, get serious!
We cannot know 99.9% of the scheming behind the scenes and the real motivation for the decisions that are made in these international affairs.
But look who is for the Ukraine and against Russia. That should tell you everything you need to know!
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Sorry, Reagan was a hero. Reagan didn't invade others countries. Putin is no hero. Putin has. Raegan helped Poland beat back the USSR and win the cold war. Putin has said he considers the fall of the Soviet Union the worst geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century and wants to undo it. Ukraine has the right to its own self determination without being harassed and invaded by Russia. If Putin wants to do something useful for Christendom, let him call off the war and send Russian missionary priests to convert the Godless Commies of atheist North Korea that persecutes Christians. Do you think Putin has even remotely brought up with North Korea that it needs to stop the persecution?
Lets start one at a time and maybe I can help undo just some of the many years of propaganda. I can't answer everything but there is some I can answer.
I also like Ronald Reagan and he is one of my favourite US Presidents and of course in light of the USSR alternative I'm glad Reagan succeeded... but lets not be naïve here either, the CIA asset George H.W. Bush was his VP and there was certainly some shady stuff going on there too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQKoyJ8KRh4
Now in terms of Putin wanting to restore the USSR, this is a lie, they have taken partially what he said and taken it totally out of context, essentially it goes, those who do not mourn the collapse of the USSR have no heart, those who want to see it returned have no brains... because of course, that time was not good for Russia, especially the terrorism in the North Caucasus and the buying up of state assets for super cheap and the resulting oligarchy and so much more. You tend to only get good leaders in difficult times, because the opportunists don't want it when it comes with a cost or risk and thus flee.
I think Ronald Reagan was sincere when dealing the the USSR but when the USSR collapsed and Reagan was no longer there, the US Deep State used their advantage to take advantage of Russia while they were trying to get back on their feet again IMO.
In terms of North Korea, I don't know what has been discussed with them or not nor even what the situation is currently, I know there are major problems, I don't know how one would even go about solving them, so I pray and do what I can and speak of what I know.
"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
God Bless
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Plenus and Josh, thanks for the responses.
Josh, what I want, after Trump hopefully gets back into office, since Trump and Putin had an excellent relationship, for the US and Russia to work together. That should happen, but Putin has allowed himself to be played by the Deep State globalists who wanted an excuse to wage war against Russia. If he had not invaded another country, that could never have happened, even under Biden. So the Deep State set a trap for Putin, making Biden say "a small invasion" would be ok - whereas they never intended it to be. They intended him to make that mistake. Anyway, hopefully Trump gets in, and the US-Russia sort it out and make peace in 2025 along with Ukraine. And since Our Lady has promised us the conversion of Russia, we should be praying ardently that Russia and the Russian Orthodox Church and Russian Patriarch etc grow open to reunion with and finally convert to the Roman Catholic Church.
Yes, the west should have done more in the post reagan, post cold war period to promote friendly relations between the US and Russia. That was not done. And almost everyone now realizes that was a mistake too.
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Here's the reference: "Joe Biden’s “Minor Incursion” Russia Remark: History Proves It Was a Mistake
"During his long, rambling Jan. 19 press conference, Biden made yet another major policy misstep. Russia, he suggested would face but minor consequences if it restrained itself to but a “minor incursion” into Ukraine. Unsurprisingly, the suggestion that an invasion—if properly sized—would draw only a wrist slap left officials in Kyiv gobsmacked. So, too, were officials across Europe, as well as many in the U.S. political, foreign policy, and defense establishments."
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and reminder that Putin already had plans to do this in the 2016-2020 period, but Trump kept him out of Ukraine: "Trump claimed he'd told Russian President Vladimir Putin: "We're friends. I don't want to do it but... if you go after Ukraine, I am going to hit you so hard," including "right in the middle of fricking Moscow." https://www.axios.com/2024/10/26/trump-foreign-policy-china-taiwan-russia-ukraine Trump kept Putin out of Ukraine.
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Plenus and Josh, thanks for the responses.
Josh, what I want, after Trump hopefully gets back into office, since Trump and Putin had an excellent relationship, for the US and Russia to work together. That should happen, but Putin has allowed himself to be played by the Deep State globalists who wanted an excuse to wage war against Russia. If he had not invaded another country, that could never have happened, even under Biden. So the Deep State set a trap for Putin, making Biden say "a small invasion" would be ok - whereas they never intended it to be. They intended him to make that mistake. Anyway, hopefully Trump gets in, and the US-Russia sort it out and make peace in 2025 along with Ukraine. And since Our Lady has promised us the conversion of Russia, we should be praying ardently that Russia and the Russian Orthodox Church and Russian Patriarch etc grow open to reunion with and finally convert to the Roman Catholic Church.
Yes, the west should have done more in the post reagan, post cold war period to promote friendly relations between the US and Russia. That was not done. And almost everyone now realizes that was a mistake too.
I want that also, but I would caution that it cannot happen if you blindly condemn everyone when there is a lot we don't know about going on behind the scenes.
You say Putin has allowed himself to be played... well, Putin was former KGB and is not naïve to the work of the intel agencies IMO he is doing the best he can and these actions were because he had no other choice, as the footage from 2014 in my previous post showed regarding the Minsk agreements etc, he tried many times for diplomatic solutions and ways out of this and he is consistent going back many years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOkl2XgZlw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqD8lIdIMRo
I agree that we should pray for Russia and our nations too.
"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
"Theotokos of Smolensk, Theotokos of Kazan, Theotokos of Port Arthur, Pray for us."
God Bless
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Josh, Putin has brought immense suffering to millions of people. Some 10 MN people are displaced now thanks to his actions. At the height of the war, it was something like 20 MN if I recall correctly: "3.7 million people remained displaced within Ukraine and 6.3 million Ukrainians remained abroad, having fled the war as refugees and asylum-seekers." https://reporting.unhcr.org/operational/situations/ukraine-situation
Here are the 4 conditions of Just war. Pls explain how Putin's invasion respects those moral principles
- "The damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave and certain.
- All other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective.
- There must be serious prospects of success.
- The use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory
The one fact that 10 million people are suffering now and weren't before the war shows that "evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated" have indeed been produced which means the proportionality condition of Just war has not been satisfied. Putin's invasion was a land grab, he tried even attacking Kyiv before he was repelled. Why did he do that? What possible claim could he have on Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine? Answer: none at all.
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Putin's invasion was a land grab
You're woefully uneducated and wrong. Stop drinking the propaganda koolaid.
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Oh really? Ok then, explain why Putin tried to attack Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine? Can Putin really claim Kyiv belongs to him? "The battle of Kyiv was part of the Kyiv offensive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv_offensive_(2022)) in the Russian invasion of Ukraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine) for control of Kyiv (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv), the capital city (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_city) of Ukraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine), and surrounding districts including Hostomel Airport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antonov_Airport). The combatants were elements of the Russian Armed Forces (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Armed_Forces) and Ukrainian Armed Forces (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Armed_Forces). The battle lasted from 25 February 2022 to 2 April 2022 and ended with the withdrawal of Russian forces." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kyiv_(2022) Putin would have annexed Kyiv if he could have. He just couldn't, and was pushed back, so he stopped attempting to. "Initially, Russian forces captured key areas to the north and west of Kyiv, leading to international prediction of the city's imminent fall. However, stiff Ukrainian resistance sapped Russian momentum. Poor Russian logistics and tactical decisions helped the defenders to thwart efforts at encirclement, and, after a month of protracted fighting, Ukrainian forces began counterattacking. Following the successful Ukrainian counterattacks in late March, Russia began withdrawing its forces from the Kyiv area on 29 March." Ukraine has every right to defend its entire territory like it defended Kyiv.
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"There will be no more new restrictions on the use of American weapons for Ukraine if the DPRK joins the war - Pentagon" https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1850958136913641481 So, for Putin supporters, is North Korea on the right side too? NK, as we know, is a godless Commie dictatorship that persecutes Christians. If NK is on one side, chances are high the other side is on the right side.
There's no chance in hell Ukraine is "the right side".
1. NATO sides with them. Nuff said.
2. They kidnap civilian men off the streets to serve.
3. The country doesn't seem to care that Russia is "conquering" them. Interesting.
4. If this was a classic "oh no, we're being invaded, better defend our homeland" they would have done a full mobilization by now.
5. Ukraine is losing partly because of their dubious distinction of "most corrupt country on earth". Money that was supposed to go to build trenches and fortifications went into politicians' pockets, etc.
6. Remember Burisma? All the talk of Ukraine in the context of American politics? Americans have the memory of a goldfish.
7. Zelensky is a turbo fαɢɢօt. And I choose that phrase carefully and on purpose.
8. Worse, Zelensky is a Jew and 100% of evidence shows Zelensky doesn't care about the population of Ukraine ONE IOTA.
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So, Matthew, according to you, is NATO worse than North Korea? NATO is basically America and Europe along with Canada. NATO nations are far from perfect, but NORTH KOREA is North Korea, an atheist commie dictatorship that persecutes Christians and is consistently ranked near the bottom on any measure of progress, freedom, human development etc. If Putin is this "great Christian hero" some trads believe him to be, why isn't he at least asking North Korea to stop persecuting Christians?
And Ukraine's other failings doesn't mean a war invading it and occupying about 20% of its territory satisfies the strict conditions for Just war. Ukraine is conscripting its own citizens. Putin is conscripting North Korean communists. Our Lady told us to fight Communism, and pray for Russia's conversion. Pope Pius XI said "no one who would save Christian civilization may collaborate with Communism in any undertaking whatsoever". Putin should take note, as that's what he's doing. There have been some positive changes in Russia since the USSR fell, but it hasn't completely converted yet, as Our Lady of Fatima said it would have to for there to be peace. Let's pray for peace whatever our view on the war. Here's another source on the human suffering the war has caused.
Wiki: "As of 2024, Russian troops occupy about 20% of Ukraine. From a population of 41 million, about 8 million Ukrainians had been internally displaced and more than 8.2 million had fled the country by April 2023, creating Europe's largest refugee crisis since World War II." Causing 10+ million people to suffer displacement, not to mention the lives of soldiers and civilians lost on both side, hardly satisfies the strict just war criteria.
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"The final battle between the Lord and the kingdom of Satan will be about Marriage and the Family. Don't be afraid, because whoever works for the sanctity of Marriage and the Family will always be fought against and opposed in every way, because this is the decisive issue. Nevertheless, Our Lady has already crushed his head.” - Sr Lucia, Fatima
"The gates of hell will never prevail, where she offers her protection. She is the good mother, the mother of all, and it has never been heard, that those who seek her protection, will not receive it. With this certainty, the Pope dedicates all people of Russia to the Immaculate heart of the Virgin. She will help! Error and atheism will be overcome with her assistance and divine grace." - Pope Pius XII, 1952
(https://i.ibb.co/qrLXWrN/Family.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XCfN3C7)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8DdXgF20ho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phub2KP8UlQ
"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
God Bless
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Oh really? Ok then, explain why Putin tried to attack Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine?
Before I answer this question: Do you live in America, yes or no? If not, where do you live? It's an important question.
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So, Matthew, according to you, is NATO worse than North Korea? NATO is basically America and Europe along with Canada. NATO nations are far from perfect, but NORTH KOREA is North Korea, an atheist commie dictatorship that persecutes Christians and is consistently ranked near the bottom on any measure of progress, freedom, human development etc. If Putin is this "great Christian hero" some trads believe him to be, why isn't he at least asking North Korea to stop persecuting Christians?
And Ukraine's other failings doesn't mean a war invading it and occupying about 20% of its territory satisfies the strict conditions for Just war. Ukraine is conscripting its own citizens. Putin is conscripting North Korean communists. Our Lady told us to fight Communism, and pray for Russia's conversion. Pope Pius XI said "no one who would save Christian civilization may collaborate with Communism in any undertaking whatsoever". Putin should take note, as that's what he's doing. There have been some positive changes in Russia since the USSR fell, but it hasn't completely converted yet, as Our Lady of Fatima said it would have to for there to be peace. Let's pray for peace whatever our view on the war. Here's another source on the human suffering the war has caused.
Wiki: "As of 2024, Russian troops occupy about 20% of Ukraine. From a population of 41 million, about 8 million Ukrainians had been internally displaced and more than 8.2 million had fled the country by April 2023, creating Europe's largest refugee crisis since World War II." Causing 10+ million people to suffer displacement, not to mention the lives of soldiers and civilians lost on both side, hardly satisfies the strict just war criteria.
The word 'communist' is a distraction. Humanity is not divided the two camps, communist and capitalist, but into two camps, globalist and patriot and these two camps cut through nations and even families. North Korea is a dictatorship but not a globalist one. Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship but that's OK for the globalists and isn't therefore considered a bad guy. Korea also, along with Syria and Iran, doesn't have a Rothshild central back, which makes it even more independent than Russia, whose economy is mostly in the hands of the (((mafia))).
Incidently in 2015 Korea banned abortion and contraception in order to improve their disastrous birth rate which stands at 1.78 per woman compared to 0.72 in South Korea, the worst in the world.
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The word 'communist' is a distraction. Humanity is not divided the two camps, communist and capitalist, but into two camps, globalist and patriot and these two camps cut through nations and even families.
Ultimately the only two "camps" that matter and into which humanity are divided is For Christ and Anti Christ. We have the Church warring against the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan ... and everything else are just specific manifestations of that war.
Some have attacked +Vigano for referring to the two camps, with the one being "children of light", but the term comes from St. Augustine and refers not only to the Church proper, but to those also who are TENDING toward God and the Church, even if they hadn't arrived there, those tending toward good and those battling against it. We can see it quite clearly, on a natural level, with those people who have naturally good principles, upholding the natural law, against abortion, against sodomy, again all manner of evils ... vs. the evil on the Left where they promote just about everything evil. I think it's a perfectly valid bifurcation from standpoint of nature, even if not all of it is supernatural.
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Communism is highly relevant imo. Karl Marx, the founder of Communism, was a Jєωιѕн atheist. Communism was a key part of how the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan warred against the Church of Christ in these last 2 centuries, Darwinism being another key part of it. Judaism despaired of success in converting Christians to Judaism. Therefore, they preferred to try and convert Christians to atheism, to weaken Christendom from within in the West, and setting up Communism as an external bulwark in the East, which they hoped would counter-balance Christendom. To some extent, their plans have succeeded. Yet, on another level, they are failing, because millions of those whom +Vigano calls "children of light" are waking up every day. The madness of believing a man could become a woman began with believing a monkey could become a man. I would say the tide has almost decisively turned against the woke trans agenda, and definitely will even moreso in the next 10 years. Whether it will turn against Darwinism too, I don't know. I hope so. SSPX has an old article out there showing Communists promoted evolution in their cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs - it wasn't about this and that economic theory, however misguided, fundamentally it was about making man deny and if possible hate God (one of the greatest of all sins), believing their monkeys were their gods instead.
Let's see how the situation with North Korea develops: “They are too young and won’t understand exactly what it means. They’ll just consider it an honor to be selected as the ones to go to Russia among the many North Korean soldiers,” said Lee Woong-gil, a former member of the same special forces unit, the Storm Corps. He came to South Korea in 2007. “But I think most of them won’t likely come back home alive.” https://apnews.com/article/north-korea-soldiers-russia-ukraine-war-651ac7615c3124fde657043a9193d6b1#
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Before I answer this question: Do you live in America, yes or no? If not, where do you live? It's an important question.
Where does "MarkM" live? Odds are it's India. (Or possibly Canada, a recent move.) And that he won't answer the above question.