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Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
« on: October 27, 2024, 04:41:16 AM »
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    • Great video on Russia and Ukraine. I learned a lot, and I didn't expect to learn a lot. The guy he's interviewing, "History Legends", really knows his stuff.

    He doesn't speak in broad generalizations, but goes into specifics about how and why Russia is winning the war. I found this an easy listen due to how interesting the material was.

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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #1 on: October 27, 2024, 06:31:30 AM »
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    • I haven't finished watching it all yet, but I feel I have to respond to @20:00 - 22:00 in.

    That is truly awful and a horrible lesson. That is a crime against humanity but even practically he is wrong here and furthermore, if they do it with you they'll do it to you.

    There is so much I could say, but after typing out a lot (Battle of Kursk 1943, Winter War 1939, sheer weight of numbers working in the former but not the latter etc) I realised it was probably better not to, I mean, are we at war are we not at war? Who is considered 'fair game' and who is not? What is even considered within bounds and out of bounds?

    I will just say that first of all numbers are not irrelevant but they certainly are not everything, it varies wildly. Conscription is a weakness not a strength and the cause and the manner in which one conducts themselves matters! If King Louis XIV had of heeded the Sacred Heart, the weapons would have been the same, the numbers would have been the same, but the passion would have been completely different... St Joan of Ark was some woman on a horse with a flag who didn't do any of the killing.

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

    God Bless



     


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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #2 on: October 27, 2024, 06:57:27 AM »
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    • Napoleon also had the largest army Europe had ever seen at that time. Was it the attrition strategy of Barclay de Tolly and Kutuzov? Partially... Was it the severe weather? Partially... Was it the zeal and courage of those like Prince Bagration? Partially... Theotokos of Smolensk?

    Take for example Joshua of the Old Testament, the Israelites and the Ark of the Covenant, was it just the Israelites passion and zeal that tipped the balance? Partially...

    "The gates of hell will never prevail, where she offers her protection. She is the good mother, the mother of all, and it has never been heard, that those who seek her protection, will not receive it. With this certainty, the Pope dedicates all people of Russia to the immaculate heart of the Virgin. She will help! Error and atheism will be overcome with her assistance and divine grace." - Pope Pius XII, 1952

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

    God Bless
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #3 on: October 27, 2024, 07:26:08 AM »
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    • Even WWI that he brings up just after @22:00, I mean, that was probably rather apt but it most certainly was not a how to guide, that was an absolutely horrific, evil nightmare for all involved and absolutely nobody can claim victory from it. 

    "For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."

    God Bless
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #4 on: October 27, 2024, 07:49:51 AM »
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    • @29:30

    Truly... to the last Ukrainian. If everyone is hiding, then that already tells you everything. The fact that they fled says they don't believe in the cause and if your relying on them then you've already lost and furthermore, if you try to force them to do the fighting and dying for you then your a monster IMO and of course they are hiding and fleeing (why aren't those trying to force these people to fight and die against their will not volunteering themselves? They shouldn't have time for such a thing). 

    Apologies for the multiple posts, I'll stop now.

    "For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."

    God Bless
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #5 on: October 27, 2024, 09:04:14 AM »
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    • Sorry for another post but I have to, @1:32:55 I created a thread to clarify this -



    In relation to the following -



    Then you can go back to 2016 when they were asking Putin and you can see it's a no win situation for him.



    That CNN guys face got so red after being called out because he knows he is being dishonest.
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #6 on: October 27, 2024, 10:07:11 AM »
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    • I'm very sorry but one more post because I absolutely have to... @2:15:00, yes, I haven't forgotten about 2014, why did he not mention Victoria Nuland I wonder?

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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #7 on: October 27, 2024, 08:31:33 PM »
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    • 2014... just the year after they deposed and usurped Pope Benedict XVI too. Obama's administration were on a roll, Arab Spring... Catholic Spring... 
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #8 on: October 28, 2024, 01:36:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: josh987654321 on October 27, 2024, 06:31:30 AM
    …Who is considered 'fair game' and who is not? What is even considered within bounds and out of bounds?…



     

    Practicing Catholics know the answer to those questions.


    A just war requires:

    (1) just authority,
    (2) a just cause, and
    (3) a rightful intention.

    As a last resort only the necessary amount of force may be used until the just cause is accomplished—no disproportionate force, “scorched earth,” perpetual war, or atrocities against non-combatants.

    Summa Theologiae: War (Secunda Secundae Partis, Question 40)
    http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3040.htm
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #9 on: October 28, 2024, 03:27:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on October 28, 2024, 01:36:54 AM
    Practicing Catholics know the answer to those questions.

    That's not what I was talking about when I said that. I was thinking of what happened to Aleksandr Dugin's daughter, Gonzalo Lira and others... I know the answer to those questions, but not everyone else follows ROE or any other such stipulations of a just war. We should not self censor in response to such cold blooded murders of non combatants, but I think one should be careful not to be unnecessarily reckless either.

    Whatever one thinks of FDR, this was a good speech - 



    "For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #10 on: October 28, 2024, 03:37:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on October 28, 2024, 01:36:54 AM
    Practicing Catholics know the answer to those questions.


    A just war requires:

    (1) just authority,
    (2) a just cause, and
    (3) a rightful intention.

    As a last resort only the necessary amount of force may be used until the just cause is accomplished—no disproportionate force, “scorched earth,” perpetual war, or atrocities against non-combatants.

    Summa Theologiae: War (Secunda Secundae Partis, Question 40)
    http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3040.htm
    Yes, you and I agree on this, M79. Good reference.

    It's at best hard to see how Russia's invasion satisfies Thomistic just war criteria. Russia's invasion was to gobble up more land. That doesn't fulfil just war criteria. But it was a Deep State trap for Putin, as +Vigano too hinted at. Let's pray for peace.
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #11 on: October 28, 2024, 03:39:38 AM »
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    • "Trump claimed he'd told Russian President Vladimir Putin: "We're friends. I don't want to do it but... if you go after Ukraine, I am going to hit you so hard," including "right in the middle of fricking Moscow." https://www.axios.com/2024/10/26/trump-foreign-policy-china-taiwan-russia-ukraine Trump kept Putin out of Ukraine. 
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #12 on: October 28, 2024, 03:52:32 AM »
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    • Yes, we can't have any realism or objective criticism of the war. We have to adhere to the Western propaganda at all times.
    He criticizes Ukraine? Must be a vodka-swilling, commie Russian! Get him!

    The host (Willy Oam) actually said he's pro-Ukraine. But more importantly, he's completely objective and calls a spade a spade. He's not living in la-la land. You can hardly tell which side he's "pulling for" -- which is good.
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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #13 on: October 28, 2024, 03:58:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: MarkM on October 28, 2024, 03:39:38 AM
    "Trump claimed he'd told Russian President Vladimir Putin: "We're friends. I don't want to do it but... if you go after Ukraine, I am going to hit you so hard," including "right in the middle of fricking Moscow." https://www.axios.com/2024/10/26/trump-foreign-policy-china-taiwan-russia-ukraine Trump kept Putin out of Ukraine.

    I do worry about this though, I definitely support and pray for Trump, nevertheless, this is not about being a 'strong man'. NATO needs to back off, the US Deep State which seeks war with Russia (among much more) needs to go down IMO.



    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

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    Re: Highly recommended video on Russia and Ukraine
    « Reply #14 on: October 28, 2024, 04:02:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on October 28, 2024, 03:52:32 AM
    Yes, we can't have any realism or objective criticism of the war. We have to adhere to the Western propaganda at all times.
    He criticizes Ukraine? Must be a vodka-swilling, commie Russian! Get him!

    The host (Willy Oam) actually said he's pro-Ukraine. But more importantly, he's completely objective and calls a spade a spade. He's not living in la-la land. You can hardly tell which side he's "pulling for" -- which is good.
    Ok, Matthew, but I think you'll agree these are two separate questions. (1) the practical question, is Russia winning the war? (2) the moral question, was Russia justified in invading Ukraine in the first place?

    I don't know who's winning right now, haven't followed in a while, but I haven't seen a just case for the invasion. And anyway, if Trump gets in, what I liked is he had a good relationship with Putin while still being against any invasion.

    Josh, can the US start invading Mexico even if somethings Mexico does are not so good? Conflict resolution must be a little better than that. Russia is a member of the United Nations security council. If it had any issue with Ukraine, it could have raised it there. Just like with WW1, the Deep State plan is to get Christian nations is to fight each other. 
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