Author Topic: Health care bill passed (Read 6691 times)

sedetrad · « **Reply #15 on:** March 22, 2010, 05:14:00 PM »

Abortions are free to the poor now already.

Vandaler · « **Reply #16 on:** March 22, 2010, 05:16:13 PM »

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It should bother you that it will greatly expand abortion and corrupt medicine even more than it is now.

How does it do that, how does it expand abortion and corrupt medecine... ?

sedetrad · « **Reply #17 on:** March 22, 2010, 05:24:01 PM »

Those trad Catholics that have children with pre-existing conditions are going to be very thankful for this bill.

Vandaler · « **Reply #18 on:** March 22, 2010, 05:32:48 PM »

Seems like we agree on at least one thing Sedetrad. I'm still genuinely interested to read a reasoned and thoughtful argument that would justify all the anger and the fear I see.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #19 on:** March 22, 2010, 05:34:41 PM »

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It should bother you that it will greatly expand abortion and corrupt medicine even more than it is now.

How does it do that, how does it expand abortion and corrupt medecine... ?

Let me get this straight: it passed only when Stupak caved, but it does nothing to advance abortion?

If that's the case why was there controversy over Stupak's amendment?

Obama was willing to risk the whole program over abortion: that tells me everything I need to know.

Don't play the dishonest skeptic/retard.

Corruption of medicine occurs when doctors are compelled to do immoral things. This bill will great increase the compulsion to do such things.

sedetrad · « **Reply #20 on:** March 22, 2010, 05:34:42 PM »

I have yet to read one.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #21 on:** March 22, 2010, 05:36:30 PM »

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Seems like we agree on at least one thing Sedetrad. I'm still genuinely interested to read a reasoned and thoughtful argument that would justify all the anger and the fear I see.

You are lying. You don't care about euthanasia, abortion or rationing.

sedetrad · « **Reply #22 on:** March 22, 2010, 05:41:25 PM »

Rationing exists under the current system. Abortion occurs under the current system. Euthanasia occurs under the current system. If you do not understand that, then I don't knwo what to say.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #23 on:** March 22, 2010, 05:42:56 PM »

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Rationing exists under the current system. Abortion occurs under the current system. Euthanasia occurs under the current system. If you do not understand that, then I don't knwo what to say.

Yes, I know it does. I also know that this bill will make all of those things worse.

You can't be Catholic and support it.

Vandaler · « **Reply #24 on:** March 22, 2010, 05:47:41 PM »

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How does it do that, how does it expand abortion and corrupt medecine... ?

Corruption of medicine occurs when doctors are compelled to do immoral things. This bill will great increase the compulsion to do such things.[/quote]

Justified or not, the Stupak bloc was concerned that the bill could or would allow for Federal money to found abortions and they decided to sign (or cave in as you say) when Obama signed a decree stating (it was actually a restatement) that Federal money cannot fund abortions. It's that simple.

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Corruption of medicine occurs when doctors are compelled to do immoral things. This bill will great increase the compulsion to do such things.

You mean I suppose abortions, but it does not make a difference on abortions, as far that I can tell. How does this bill compel to do immoral things ? If you don't know, why just not stop the conversation rather then calling me names.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #25 on:** March 22, 2010, 05:53:36 PM »

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Justified or not, the Stupak bloc was concerned that the bill could or would allow for Federal money to found abortions and they decided to sign (or cave in as you say) when Obama signed a decree stating (it was actually a restatement) that Federal money cannot fund abortions. It's that simple.

If the executive order was equivalent to the Stupak amendment they could have just accepted that amendment. The executive order can be rescinded at any time. Even the Catholic Bishops oppose the bill as it is.

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You mean I suppose abortions, but it does not make a difference on abortions, as far that I can tell. How does this bill compel to do immoral things ? If you don't know, why just not stop the conversation rather then calling me names.

You are a liar if you do not acknowledge the agenda of Obama on this issue. I'm not going to waste any time on you. If Obama had his way Catholics wouldn't be allowed to practise medicine in good conscience. That is certain beyond any reasonable doubt.

Vandaler · « **Reply #26 on:** March 22, 2010, 05:54:10 PM »

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Yes, I know it does. I also know that this bill will make all of those things worse.

But how ? Are you referring to Palin's "death panels" ? I won't even argue with you, even though I am convinced that those are bunk. I just want to understand the anger.

Vandaler · « **Reply #27 on:** March 22, 2010, 05:57:20 PM »

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You are a liar...

How can I lie just by asking questions ?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #28 on:** March 22, 2010, 05:58:31 PM »

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I just want to understand the anger.

If you really want to understand, it might help if someone broke your face with his fist.

It is common knowledge that the removal of all sorts of conscience clauses, the subsidy of abortion, the practice of euthanasia are all things heartily supported by liberals in all countries with socialized medicine.

You say you don't understand the anger. I don't believe you.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #29 on:** March 22, 2010, 05:59:17 PM »

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You are a liar...

How can I lie just by asking questions ?

It's easy to lie by asking questions. That question itself is dishonest because it pretends ignorance.