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Offline Cantarella

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Good News From Italy
« on: August 11, 2018, 02:18:29 PM »
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    • Italy’s Deputy Prime Minister, Matteo Salvini, has ordered the wording on official forms to be changed from Parent 1 and Parent 2, to Mother and Father.

    “We will defend the natural family founded on the union between a man and a woman”, he said.

    Hero of the Imperium.


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    Re: Good News From Italy
    « Reply #1 on: August 11, 2018, 04:00:24 PM »
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    •  :applause:
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    Re: Good News From Italy
    « Reply #2 on: August 11, 2018, 06:37:16 PM »
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    • That is just common sense.

    People that attempts destruction of the Family are enemies of God and all of Mankind.
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    Re: Good News From Italy
    « Reply #3 on: August 11, 2018, 06:45:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 on August 11, 2018, 06:37:16 PM
    That is just common sense.

    People that attempts destruction of the Family are enemies of God and all of Mankind.

    Yes, it's shocking that something like this is newsworthy and controversial.  Tells you a lot about the decay of society.
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    Re: Good News From Italy
    « Reply #4 on: August 11, 2018, 07:49:51 PM »
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    • Is he the one who is getting Crucifixes back up in schools and government offices?
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    Re: Good News From Italy
    « Reply #5 on: August 11, 2018, 08:16:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on August 11, 2018, 07:49:51 PM
    Is he the one who is getting Crucifixes back up in schools and government offices?
    What can you tell us about Crucifixes being taken down?
    When I was living in Italy in 2011 Crucifixes were still on the wall in public hospitals.
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    Re: Good News From Italy
    « Reply #6 on: August 11, 2018, 08:22:34 PM »
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    • On checking for his religion, it is hardly likely that he would be "getting Crucifixes back up". 

    On his personal life Wiki tells us:

    Personal life[edit]
    In 2001 Matteo Salvini married Fabrizia Ieluzzi, a journalist who worked for a private radio station, by whom he had one child Federico in 2003.[21] After his divorce he had another child, Mirta, by his domestic partner Giulia Martinelli in 2012.[138] He is currently engaged to Elisa Isoardi, a popular TV host.[139]
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    Re: Good News From Italy
    « Reply #7 on: August 11, 2018, 08:54:30 PM »
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    • Rome, Italy, Jul 24, 2018 / 12:08 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- A bill has been introduced in the Italian parliament which would require the visible display of crucifixes in public buildings, Italian news magazine L’Espresso reported Monday.
    The bill, “Dispositions concerning the display of the crucifix in schools and in offices of public administration,” proposes crucifixes be visibly hung in places such as schools, universities, prisons, public offices, consulates, embassies, and ports.
    The proposal would also order a fine of up to 1,000 euros ($1,169) for non-compliance. The bill now waits to be scheduled for discussion in the Chamber and Senate.
    It was introduced by the country’s Lega Nord party, headed by Matteo Salvini, the newly-made interior minister and deputy prime minister alongside the leader of the Five Star Movement, Luigi di Maio.
    Italy’s general election, held in May, resulted in a coalition government led by Lega Nord and the Five Star Movement, both of which are center-right populist parties.
    A similar decision was made by the government of Bavaria, a German state.
    Bavarian premier Markus Söder announced April 24 that the entrances to state building would be required to display a cross by June 1. Söder’s office said the decision was meant to “express the historical and cultural character of Bavaria” and to present “a visible commitment to the core values of the legal and social order in Bavaria and Germany.”
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    Re: Good News From Italy
    « Reply #8 on: August 11, 2018, 09:57:33 PM »
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    • Thank you, Viva, for this article. Here is the link:
    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/italy-proposes-mandating-display-of-crucifixes-in-public-buildings-11579


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    The bill now waits to be scheduled for discussion in the Chamber and Senate.
    That discussion should be interesting ...


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    A similar decision was made by the government of Bavaria, a German state.
    Bavarian premier Markus Söder announced April 24 that the entrances to state building would be required to display a cross by June 1. 
    Bavaria has Catholic majority, but crosses are called for rather than, in the case of Italy, for Crucifixes.  Germany has ratio of 2:1 for Protestants to Catholic.
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    Re: Good News From Italy
    « Reply #9 on: August 11, 2018, 10:22:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on August 11, 2018, 09:57:33 PM
    Thank you, Viva, for this article. Here is the link:
    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/italy-proposes-mandating-display-of-crucifixes-in-public-buildings-11579

    That discussion should be interesting ...

    Bavaria has Catholic majority, but crosses are called for rather than, in the case of Italy, for Crucifixes.  Germany has ratio of 2:1 for Protestants to Catholic.
    That was just for Bavaria, which is 2:1 catholic.  FYI
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    Re: Good News From Italy
    « Reply #10 on: August 11, 2018, 11:33:24 PM »
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    • Actually the proportion of Catholics to Protestants in Bavaria is greater than 2:1.

    But my point is that in Italy it is proposed to display the Crucifix but in Bavaria the Cross

    Protestants accept the Cross but reject the Crucifix. And so we have Bavarian Germans allowing for the cross but not for the Crucifix. Similarly for modern nuns and priests wearing the cross without the Corpus, a sign of encroaching protestantization.
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