Author Topic: George Washington became Catholic (Read 9256 times)

sedetrad · « **Reply #1 on:** August 27, 2009, 10:24:20 PM »

The above is false. It was a myth perpetuated by Americanist Catholics. Ole George died a Mason.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 28, 2009, 03:51:21 AM »

Someone told me the other day that Napoleon died a Catholic...

Running a Google search --

It seems there is a story that he began attending daily Mass while exiled on St. Helena but that no one knows if this story is apocryphal, wishful-thinking, or actually true.

My priest talked about people who repent at the very end of their lives and said that often they don't have the time to really grasp their sins and to bring themselves to true repentance. Any deathbed conversion of Napoleon would seem to me to be doubtful, because he was raised Catholic and overtly rejected the tenets of the faith in countless ways, imprisoned Pius VII, tried to appropriate the papal states, besides leading nations into pointless wars for the sake of his own ego and whatever Freemasonic scheme he was enacting. These actions would make it hard for him to achieve true repentance, to put it mildly. Attending Mass at the end of his life may have just been, for him, another egomaniacal, ceremonial act.

It reminds me of a hit man I once saw on some TV show who was raised Catholic, fell away, killed people for a living, then when he got old, confessed and was forgiven. Yet his confession felt hollow, you didn't sense any real remorse. He came off as hardened and void of soul. The interviewer asked him, "Do you really think God will forgive you," and he said blankly and affectlessly ( I'm paraphrasing ), "That's the Catholic religion, you confess, you get forgiven." No, it doesn't work like that. You have to genuinely deplore your sins. If you wallow in them all your life, knowing full well it's wrong, when you finally do come back to the Church, God may remove the grace you need to repent.

But if Napoleon DID get the grace to repent, then the little man could very well be in heaven. Strange thought!

Raoul76 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 28, 2009, 03:52:59 AM »

P.S. Of course the hit man was confessing to a Vatican II "priest"...

Belloc · « **Reply #4 on:** August 28, 2009, 07:14:34 AM »

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P.S. Of course the hit man was confessing to a Vatican II "priest"...

heard he was one of those secret, Jesuit assasins under hte Black Pope.heheheheh-or haw haw haw

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #5 on:** August 28, 2009, 03:05:46 PM »

I think it's possible that George Washington converted on his deathbed. The thing is nobody has ever produced any evidence for it. What I find to be the real joke is that the article claims that the US goverment is founded upon Thomism. The quote from Leo XIII on the supposed freedom of the Church in America I think is false since not ten years before there were protestants killing Catholic Irishmen and Indians in the US (which Leo XIII was quite aware of).

Caraffa · « **Reply #6 on:** August 28, 2009, 03:18:56 PM »

Yeah this is likely false. Unfortunately this claim is widespread through out the Traditionalist movement. When looking it up for myself, I have found this claim amongst the Indulters, The Sedes, The SSPX, and the usually anti-Americanist Fr. Feeney supporters. It is based on secondary sources using secondary sources. Sadly, it looks as though The Angelus introduced re-introduced in the late 1980's. I hope that it is not being taught in Traditional Catholic schools.

As for what really happened, TIA doesn't let me down. Also another primary source for George Washington's death is his step-son, George Washington Custis.

Maria-Bernada · « **Reply #7 on:** August 30, 2009, 09:50:18 PM »

Quote from: sedetrad

The above is false. It was a myth perpetuated by Americanist Catholics. Ole George died a Mason.

This is true. And unfortunately for Mr. Washington, only the pope can absolve a Freemason, and only on his deathbed.

"Wherefore We command most strictly and in virtue of holy obedience, all the faithful of whatever state, grade, condition, order, dignity or pre-eminence, whether clerical or lay, secular or regular, even those who are entitled to specific and individual mention, that none, under any pretext or for any reason, shall dare or presume to enter, propagate or support these aforesaid societies of Liberi Muratori or Francs Massons, or however else they are called, or to receive them in their houses or dwellings or to hide them, be enrolled among them, joined to them, be present with them, give power or permission for them to meet elsewhere, to help them in any way, to give them in any way advice, encouragement or support either openly or in secret, directly or indirectly, on their own or through others; nor are they to urge others or tell them, incite or persuade them to be enrolled in such societies or to be counted among their number, or to be present or to assist them in any way; but they must stay completely clear of such Societies, Companies, Assemblies, Meetings, Congregations or Conventicles, under pain of excommunication for all the above mentioned people, which is incurred by the very deed without any declaration being required, and from which no one can obtain the benefit of absolution, other than at the hour of death, except through Ourselves or the Roman Pontiff of the time." -- Pope Clement XII, In Eminenti

I don't recall Mr. Washington receiving any visits from Pope Pius VI.

CM · « **Reply #8 on:** August 31, 2009, 09:36:40 PM »

Moral of the story? Don't become a Freemason in today's world, or you're irrevocably doomed (until there is a pope, of course)!

Ironic that it is the Freemasons, themselves, who removed their own potential escape route from hell.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #9 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:47:52 PM »

Quote from: Maria-Bernada

Quote from: sedetrad
The above is false. It was a myth perpetuated by Americanist Catholics. Ole George died a Mason.

This is true. And unfortunately for Mr. Washington, only the pope can absolve a Freemason, and only on his deathbed.

"Wherefore We command most strictly and in virtue of holy obedience, all the faithful of whatever state, grade, condition, order, dignity or pre-eminence, whether clerical or lay, secular or regular, even those who are entitled to specific and individual mention, that none, under any pretext or for any reason, shall dare or presume to enter, propagate or support these aforesaid societies of Liberi Muratori or Francs Massons, or however else they are called, or to receive them in their houses or dwellings or to hide them, be enrolled among them, joined to them, be present with them, give power or permission for them to meet elsewhere, to help them in any way, to give them in any way advice, encouragement or support either openly or in secret, directly or indirectly, on their own or through others; nor are they to urge others or tell them, incite or persuade them to be enrolled in such societies or to be counted among their number, or to be present or to assist them in any way; but they must stay completely clear of such Societies, Companies, Assemblies, Meetings, Congregations or Conventicles, under pain of excommunication for all the above mentioned people, which is incurred by the very deed without any declaration being required, and from which no one can obtain the benefit of absolution, other than at the hour of death, except through Ourselves or the Roman Pontiff of the time." -- Pope Clement XII, In Eminenti

I don't recall Mr. Washington receiving any visits from Pope Pius VI.

This is not true. Any ordained priest can absolve a Freemason but ONLY on his deathbed, otherwise the absolution is invalid. The same applies to someone who has committed a grave sacralige such as desecrating the Eucharist. In which case, living you would have to confess to the Pope, but dying you could be absolved by any priest.

Belloc · « **Reply #10 on:** September 14, 2009, 08:49:09 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Samurai

Quote from: Maria-Bernada
Quote from: sedetrad
The above is false. It was a myth perpetuated by Americanist Catholics. Ole George died a Mason.

This is true. And unfortunately for Mr. Washington, only the pope can absolve a Freemason, and only on his deathbed.

"Wherefore We command most strictly and in virtue of holy obedience, all the faithful of whatever state, grade, condition, order, dignity or pre-eminence, whether clerical or lay, secular or regular, even those who are entitled to specific and individual mention, that none, under any pretext or for any reason, shall dare or presume to enter, propagate or support these aforesaid societies of Liberi Muratori or Francs Massons, or however else they are called, or to receive them in their houses or dwellings or to hide them, be enrolled among them, joined to them, be present with them, give power or permission for them to meet elsewhere, to help them in any way, to give them in any way advice, encouragement or support either openly or in secret, directly or indirectly, on their own or through others; nor are they to urge others or tell them, incite or persuade them to be enrolled in such societies or to be counted among their number, or to be present or to assist them in any way; but they must stay completely clear of such Societies, Companies, Assemblies, Meetings, Congregations or Conventicles, under pain of excommunication for all the above mentioned people, which is incurred by the very deed without any declaration being required, and from which no one can obtain the benefit of absolution, other than at the hour of death, except through Ourselves or the Roman Pontiff of the time." -- Pope Clement XII, In Eminenti

I don't recall Mr. Washington receiving any visits from Pope Pius VI.

This is not true. Any ordained priest can absolve a Freemason but ONLY on his deathbed, otherwise the absolution is invalid. The same applies to someone who has committed a grave sacralige such as desecrating the Eucharist. In which case, living you would have to confess to the Pope, but dying you could be absolved by any priest.

Waht about sacremental confession? Know a few that became Catholics and renounced their Lodge membership at the time (they were masons before conversion).........