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Offline Vandaler

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From 2004: Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2009, 12:35:31 PM »
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    You are the only one speculating, without anything to back up your ideas.  I have given factual information to support what I've said.  


    Actually, the thread was started on the false premises that AP knew back then of facts that are now suppressed.  I have corrected you with links and facts to support it and by rebound, have to a certain extent, exposed your gullibility.

    For the rest, I had no intentions to seriously debate Obama's (even though I did get sucked into it.) birth place since this is already done and easily read online in many good outlets and it's not very complicated to follow and understand.

    I leave you with your impression, and your special pleadings and sincerely hope that the idea that Obama was born in Kenya remains preciously yours throughout your living days.




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    From 2004: Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
    « Reply #16 on: October 25, 2009, 02:50:29 PM »
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  • Obomba is a communist no matter where he was born. Anyone who tries to impeach him is acknowledging that he is validly elected.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    « Reply #17 on: October 25, 2009, 02:51:50 PM »
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  • I would also be willing to wager that he and his wife are suffering from MPD(DID).
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    From 2004: Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
    « Reply #18 on: October 27, 2009, 12:21:20 PM »
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    You are the only one speculating, without anything to back up your ideas.  I have given factual information to support what I've said.  


    Actually, the thread was started on the false premises that AP knew back then of facts that are now suppressed (Read the WND article below.).  I have corrected you (no you didn't) with links and facts to support it (What you posted, refutes nothing.) and by rebound, have to a certain extent, exposed your gullibility (You are the one blindly believing whatever the MSM says.).

    For the rest, I had no intentions to seriously debate (then, stay out of these threads) Obama's (even though I did get sucked into it.) (no you didn't) birth place since this is already done and easily read online in many good outlets and it's not very complicated to follow and understand (Then why can't you understand it?).

    I leave you with your impression (it's based on real facts), and your special pleadings and sincerely hope that the idea that Obama was born in Kenya remains preciously yours throughout your living days (What I hope for is, that people will wake up to the truth and force him to step down from an office that he illegally holds.).


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    Obomba is a communist no matter where he was born.


    SHHHH!  Don't tell that to Vandaler, he won't believe you.  

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    Anyone who tries to impeach him is acknowledging that he is validly elected.


    Impeachment would be unnecessary if, he releases his BC (he would only have to step down).  
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    From 2004: Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
    « Reply #19 on: October 27, 2009, 12:27:15 PM »
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  • WorldNetDaily Exclusive
    Obama from Kenya, archived report says
    Revives worry about president's eligibility for office


    Posted: October 15, 2009
    By Bob Unruh
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=113004

    An archived article from 2004 on Barack Obama's run for the U.S. Senate in Illinois describes the relative political newcomer as "Kenyan-born," providing further fuel for speculation over the president's eligibilty for office.

    WND has noted various news reports that have either stated or implied Obama's birthplace is not Hawaii, as he has claimed, but Africa.

    The issue is significant, since there are a number of lawsuits challenging Obama's eligibility that argue if he was not born in the U.S., he does not meet the requirement in the Constitution that the president be a "natural born" citizen.

    WND further has reported on the disagreement among those docuмenting Obama's presidency over which Hawaii hospital was his birth place.

    Now have come a flood of blog questions and e-mails regarding the apparently archived article from the Sunday Standard in Kenya.

    The report starts out, "Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack (sic) Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations."

    The report continues to discuss the allegations against Ryan, Obama's opponent in his race for the U.S. Senate, and his decision to drop out, virtually handing the Senate seat to the political newcomer.

    The article is credited to the wire service Associated Press at the bottom of the page. However, the article could not be found either in the AP archives available to the public online or the archive on the newspaper's website. WND telephone calls and e-mails to the newspaper did not generate a response.

    At the Post & Email blog, writer John Charlton offered several explanations, including the suggestion references to Obama's birth have been scrubbed.

    He wrote that a search of Google for the issue produced unusual results.

    "When you attempt to search for 'Kenyan-born Obama'; results are missing; years prior to 2004 seem scrubbed; and when you click a link to an article in 2000, you get an article in 2004.

    "Deliberate sabotage of their own news archive?" he wondered.

    He said searching Google for the reference words "Kenyan-born U.S. Senator Obama hopeful…" came up with a 1981 New York times reference, but Obama is not in the article.

    "There is no mention of Obama from 1981 to 2000; despite all his 'work with the poor' in Chicago," Charlton continued.

    The June 27, 2004, article from the Standard doesn't appear.

    A further link to PBS leads to a story about Obama's Senate victory, another to USA Today talks about Obama's father being Kenyan-born and another from 2004 does the same.

    "Then, you would not believe it; but all the newspapers in the world, during the period from Jan. 1, 2005 to April 12, 2006, don't make one mention of Obama! Not even one," he said.

    The bottom line, however, Charlton wrote, should not be what published reports have said, but what proof Obama can provide.

    "If Obama cannot show docuмents which prove he is born in the USA; the mere fact that he has claimed to be born overseas and in the U.S.A.; first at one hospital in Hawaii and then at another; means that nothing he says in court, and no docuмent presented by his campaign could be taken as prima facie evidence of anything."

    Earlier this year, an African news site and an MSNBC broadcaster delivered references to President Obama's birthplace as being outside of the United States, even as a controversy had developed over a letter purporting to be from the president claiming Kapi'olani hospital in Honolulu as his birth location.

    Network correspondent Mara Schiavocampo was reporting on the celebratory atmosphere in Accra, Ghana, immediately prior to Obama's visit to the west African nation.

    Interviewing a person who appeared to be a shop operator, she suggested, "Barack Obama is Kenyan … but Ghanaians are still proud of him."

    Her report talks about the party atmosphere and the Obama fan clubs who has posted "Welcome home" signs.

    Meanwhile, a report at Modern Ghana also posted in advance of the president's visit cited his birthplace on the continent of Africa.

    "For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American president on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth," the report said.

    The Modern Ghana report also cited the expectations that Obama would make a foreign policy pronouncement during his visit.

    Kenya's East African Standard also, in an Aug. 24, 2006, article titled "From Young 'Barry' to Top American Senator," previously said of Obama: "The Harvard Law School and Columbia University graduate was born at the Queen's Medical Centre in Honolulu in Hawaii, where his parents were studying at the East-West Centre of the University of Hawaii in Manoa."

    WND also reported, Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro, claimed Obama was born in Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii, a testimony reported as fact by several news sources and the myth-busting site Snopes.com.

    But after WND drew attention to a letter from the president declaring as his birthplace the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu instead, news sources and websites jumped to scrub the Queens location and replace it with Kapi'olani.

    As WND reported, the White House insists Obama was born in Hawaii but has thus far refused to verify which hospital the president claims as his birthplace or whether the letter – purportedly from President Obama claiming Kapi'olani – is, in fact, real.

    The lawsuits over Obama's eligibility continue in several parts of the country, and in fact a California federal judge has scheduled a trial on the dispute to begin in January.

    WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

    Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

    Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

    Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums exceeding $1 million to avoid releasing an original long-form state birth certificate that would put to rest the questions.

    WND also has reported that among the docuмentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records.

    Because of the dearth of information about Obama's eligibility, WND founder Joseph Farah has launched a campaign to raise contributions to post billboards asking a simple question: "Where's the birth certificate?"

    The campaign followed a petition that has collected more than 475,000 signatures demanding proof of his eligibility, the availability of yard signs raising the question and the production of permanent, detachable magnetic bumper stickers asking the question.

    The "certification of live birth" posted online and widely touted as "Obama's birth certificate" does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same "short-form" docuмent is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true "long-form" birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only docuмent that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.

    Oddly, though congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth.
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    « Reply #20 on: November 30, 2009, 10:22:03 AM »
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  • Obama= :devil2:

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    « Reply #21 on: November 30, 2009, 10:35:27 AM »
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    Obama= :devil2:


    true, he serves the interests of the  :devil2: but so too does Bush and Co (Skull/Bones,Bohemian Grove.etc)
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    « Reply #22 on: November 30, 2009, 10:38:20 AM »
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    You are the only one speculating, without anything to back up your ideas.  I have given factual information to support what I've said.  


    Actually, the thread was started on the false premises that AP knew back then of facts that are now suppressed.  I have corrected you with links and facts to support it and by rebound, have to a certain extent, exposed your gullibility.

    For the rest, I had no intentions to seriously debate Obama's (even though I did get sucked into it.) birth place since this is already done and easily read online in many good outlets and it's not very complicated to follow and understand.

    I leave you with your impression, and your special pleadings and sincerely hope that the idea that Obama was born in Kenya remains preciously yours throughout your living days.





    You are debunking Caminus' claims, they you say to jsut read teh controlled media and that is it? Gosh, you beleive things rather easily.....also, if you do not wish to debate, etc, then why are you posting on this topic...??
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    « Reply #23 on: November 30, 2009, 10:39:51 AM »
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    Obomba is a communist no matter where he was born. Anyone who tries to impeach him is acknowledging that he is validly elected.


    the last several presidents should be impeached for violating their oaths to God and to citizens (in that order) and violating the Constitution......most are "communist" is their enlargement of Govt power....
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    « Reply #24 on: November 30, 2009, 12:46:15 PM »
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    You are debunking Caminus' claims, they you say to jsut read teh controlled media and that is it? Gosh, you beleive things rather easily.....also, if you do not wish to debate, etc, then why are you posting on this topic...??


    Belloc, I simply lost interest in the discussion.

    The basis by which birthers are wrong is not contained in what you label the controlled media, but rather through simple,sounds reasoning.

    The whole thesis of WND is based on the fact that the short form birth certificate can be obtained even by people who are not born in the United States.  I allready pointed out that this is a non sequitur since the place of birth is not certified by the conditions under which you can obtain the certificate, but rather by what is written on it.  I suppose it's a nuance that can escape the mind if your not careful, but it's just plain dumb to continue thinking it after it's been pointed out.

    I asked for explanations to Caminus, on how he resolves that imposture, but I was told that this was a red herring... imagine that!!!

    Look mom! no controlled media and I debunk the claim... you care to pick this up form here Belloc ?  I predict you will curl your fingers from the blades, just as quickly you did when we almost discussed 9/11.



     

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    « Reply #25 on: November 30, 2009, 01:32:05 PM »
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  • Actually a lot more weight and info out there then just WND....but...the issue is almost dead now, neither Repubs nor Dems want to take it up....

    also,. cannot docuмents be faked? I would say yes, esp if you are front man to banksters,etc....

    if you are saying in the end of your response there is no controlled media, if that is truly waht you are saying, then you are extremely naive.....
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    « Reply #26 on: November 30, 2009, 01:55:41 PM »
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    Actually a lot more weight and info out there then just WND....but...the issue is almost dead now, neither Repubs nor Dems want to take it up....


    No matter who takes it up, the argument against the already published birth certificate is the same.  It's a bogus argument in it's own right.  The game pretty much ends there unless you either do not want to look at it rationally, or, like you invent, other pretences to pursue it like fake docuмents etc...

    I am quite comfortable with my naiveté, so much so that I think the owner of this site as grown to do more then just tolerate me in spite of my antagonism against 98% of his positions.  That is mainly, I think is that he understood that I am genuinely trying to stamp out error, an not just swim against the current and ticking people off in the process.  I am wrong sometimes, just like anybody else, but I am pretty satisfied with the amount of things I have picked up and corrected here (and elsewhere) over the years.

    The Internet is the equivalent of a toxic wasteland for information and I do what I can, time allowing to help.







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    « Reply #27 on: November 30, 2009, 02:22:04 PM »
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  • Well, as long as you are comfortable believing in anything and everything shoveled at you, far be it from me to burst that fantasyland bubble.......
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    « Reply #28 on: November 30, 2009, 03:29:45 PM »
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    Well, as long as you are comfortable believing in anything and everything shoveled at you, far be it from me to burst that fantasyland bubble.......


     :laugh1:

    As I said, if you can explain what I have written above as the flaw in the whole birther claim, go ahead, I'm very curious to read how one can rationalize this.    But you, and others make this about me instead is very telling.


    I guess you rather not look to deeply into the issue, and that is fine with me.

    Caminus actually made a good effort, but unfortunately chose to not answer my direct question above.  Its a shame. Since his whole objection hinges on this.

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    « Reply #29 on: December 01, 2009, 07:10:13 AM »
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  • a lot fo sophistry, but in the end   :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:
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