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Offline JezusDeKoning

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Re: Family Separation
« Reply #75 on: July 07, 2018, 08:21:41 PM »
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  • Canada would have actual border controls if it had an honest man as Prime Minister. 

    When it gets a leader like Viktor Orbán, Marine Le Pen or Sebastian Kurz, then we'll talk. It needs someone to enforce border controls, and erase about a decade, if not more, of societal rot.
    Remember O most gracious Virgin Mary...


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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #76 on: July 07, 2018, 10:51:50 PM »
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  • It is very likely that this child invader was infected with dirt and lice when he arrived, either that or he became infected from being in proximity to the other border jumpers who are well known to carry all manner of diseases and parasites.
    This 'child invader' as you call him is supposed to be taken care of when he is removed from his parents. It is not appropriate for a child in government custody to be not bathed for several days. When he is returned to the parents he needs to be returned in as good or better than when they took him away. It is also inappropriate for the local caretakers (aka guards) to be mocking the children when they are crying.


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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #77 on: July 08, 2018, 10:09:34 AM »
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  • This 'child invader' as you call him is supposed to be taken care of when he is removed from his parents. It is not appropriate for a child in government custody to be not bathed for several days. When he is returned to the parents he needs to be returned in as good or better than when they took him away. It is also inappropriate for the local caretakers (aka guards) to be mocking the children when they are crying.
    They do not belong here, they came here to deliberately violate the law. If anyone is to be blamed it is the irresponsible parents who brought them or who sent them.  And that does not mitigate the unsanitary conditions that they bring with them. They are a danger to the public health.
    They have no right to be here, and they do not belong here.  When is that going to sink in?

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #78 on: July 08, 2018, 11:32:14 PM »
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  • They do not belong here, they came here to deliberately violate the law. If anyone is to be blamed it is the irresponsible parents who brought them or who sent them.  And that does not mitigate the unsanitary conditions that they bring with them. They are a danger to the public health.
    They have no right to be here, and they do not belong here.  When is that going to sink in?
    When you take a child from its parents you are the one who is responsible for its well being. It is you who are responsible for providing sanitation and safety for the children.   

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #79 on: July 08, 2018, 11:50:05 PM »
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  • Every day, there are more reports of babies forcibly separated from their parents showing up in immigration court and going through deportation proceedings.
    “The 1-year-old boy in a green button-up shirt drank milk from a bottle, played with a small purple ball that lit up when it hit the ground and occasionally asked for ‘agua,'” the Associated Press reported Saturday.
    The scene made the Phoenix immigration judge uncomfortable when it came time to ask the defendant, a Honduran boy named Johan, whether he understood the proceedings.
    “I’m embarrassed to ask it, because I don’t know who you would explain it to, unless you think that a 1-year-old could learn immigration law,” Judge John W. Richardson told the boy’s lawyer.
    Johan’s lawyer said that he was separated from his dad after they came to the United States, though it wasn’t clear when they were separated. The father is now in Honduras after being removed from the United States under the promise that he would be reunited with his son. Many migrants have been given similar false promises that their kids would be returned to them if they signed their own removal order.
    Asking minors who immigrated to the United States to go through deportation proceedings alone isn’t a new practice. Kids going through deportation or asylum hearings are also not entitled to court-appointed lawyers. (Non-profit organizations and pro bono laywers try to give them legal representation instead.)
    But in May, Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced that the administration’s “zero tolerance policy” on immigration would mean criminally prosecuting all adults crossing the U.S. border without docuмentation — thus forcibly separating families, since kids can’t be detained in jail. As a result of the administration’s family separation policy, there are now more babies and toddlers than ever in the system.
    The reports are harrowing, and there are a lot of them.
    “We were representing a 3-year-old in court recently who had been separated from the parents. And the child — in the middle of the hearing — started climbing up on the table,” Lindsay Toczylowski, the executive director of Immigrant Defenders Law Center in Los Angeles, told Kaiser Health News last month. “It really highlighted the absurdity of what we’re doing with these kids.”
    Trying to navigate the immigration system as a child is incredibly hard.
    As CNN’s Tal Kopan reported,
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    When a child is apprehended at the border, they are turned over to [the Department of Health and Human Services] and eventually, in about 90% of cases, settled with a relative or family friend. They then are called to appear in immigration court for a “master calendar hearing,” the kickoff of their court proceedings.
    Many of those children are likely to get a continuance from the judge to allow them time to find a lawyer, apply for asylum or apply for some other visa that protects children. Some, though, may have a hearing date set within a year to resolve their claim.
    The process is a maze. For children, by law, asylum applications go to the Department of Homeland Security first, even as the Justice Department-run immigration courts consider whether to deport them. There are other visas, like the Special Immigrant Juvenile visa for neglected or abused children, that can send the kids to DHS and state courts. All while the immigration court continues to weigh whether or not to deport them.
    It’s not clear how many kids separated from their parents have been placed in deportation proceedings. The Trump administration has refused to give an exact number of children taken from their parents since June 26. At that time, it estimated that 2,047 kids were separated.
    Johan was granted a voluntary departure order and the government will fly him to Honduras. An attorney with the Florence Project, an Arizona-based nonprofit that provides free legal aid to immigrants, said Johan’s mom and dad are both there.
    Johan’s case took place on Friday, when the Trump administration argued that it needed more time to meet a court deadline to reunite kids under 5 years old with their parents. The court rejected the blanket request, instead saying that more time may be granted in certain cases.

    https://thinkprogress.org/migrant-toddlers-court-deportation-proceedings-8474ea86129d/


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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #80 on: July 09, 2018, 09:47:21 AM »
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  • When you take a child from its parents you are the one who is responsible for its well being. It is you who are responsible for providing sanitation and safety for the children.  
    How obtuse can one be? They did not magically pop up here out of thin air, their parents deliberately brought them here to violate the law, and it is they who are responsible for anything that happens to them. They do not have a right to be here at all.

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #81 on: July 09, 2018, 10:03:39 AM »
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  • Poche,

    What about the tens of millions of American children being separated and ripped away from their mother's.....wombs?
    Don't hear you trumpeting about this. Where is your outrage? These children have been murdered.

    The kids at the border are being cared for and protected from coyotes and pedophiles, which is more than their "parents" and elitist enablers are doing. Can't you see that this is all a contrived globalist invasion to destroy the sovereignty of the US? Aren't the other countries of the world subject to God's law? You need to address the source.

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #82 on: July 09, 2018, 10:08:41 AM »
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  • Poche,

    What about the tens of millions of American children being separated and ripped away from their mother's.....wombs?
    Don't hear you trumpeting about this. Where is your outrage? These children have been murdered.

    The kids at the border are being cared for and protected from coyotes and pedophiles, which is more than their "parents" and elitist enablers are doing. Can't you see that this is all a contrived globalist invasion to destroy the sovereignty of the US? Aren't the other countries of the world subject to God's law? You need to address the source.
    I join you in your outrage at this great evil. And I join Pope Francis in saying that any Catholic politician who would vote for abortion should consider himself excommunicated. 
    :really-mad2: :really-mad2: :really-mad2:


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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #83 on: July 09, 2018, 10:27:43 AM »
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  • Jєωs are in the middle of both situations. They are in the forefront of motivating and helping the invaders to cross the borders of almost all nations and the are in the forefront of the worldwide abortion industries.

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #84 on: July 09, 2018, 10:29:12 AM »
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  • I join you in your outrage at this great evil. And I join Pope Francis in saying that any Catholic politician who would vote for abortion should consider himself excommunicated.
    :really-mad2: :really-mad2: :really-mad2:
    But he would probably still give them "communion" for pastoral reasons.

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #85 on: July 09, 2018, 11:34:50 AM »
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  • Some 3,000 migrant children remain in government custody after being separated from their parents, and about 100 of them are under the age of 5, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. The New York Times has reported that some records on the separated families have been lost or even destroyed, raising the possibility that some children may never be reunited with their families. In addition, the U.S. has already deported at least 19 parents of children under the age of 5 and in federal custody.

    A federal judge in San Diego ordered the Trump administration to reunite children under 5 with their parents within 14, and within 30 days for older children. The first deadline is July 10.
    Lawyers for HHS asked for an extension last week — and argued that federal officials shouldn’t be required to reunite children with parents who have already been deported. Judge Dana Sabraw, who set the deadlines, is set to hold a hearing Monday on the extension request, but only in specific cases where the government can demonstrate that it’s necessary. He said Friday that the government must reunite children with their parents, even if the parents have already been deported.


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/old-baby-appears-immigration-court-010118726.html

    Apparently Donald Trump doesn't want to give the children back. 


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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #86 on: July 09, 2018, 11:35:25 AM »
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  • But he would probably still give them "communion" for pastoral reasons.
    I wouldn't. 

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #87 on: July 10, 2018, 09:55:14 AM »
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    Some 3,000 migrant children remain in government custody after being separated from their parents

    Not all of the adults are their true parents.  We're trying to figure this out and avoid giving children back to kidnappers, rapists and drug dealers.

    You're thinking about the short term (i.e. are these kids separated for a few weeks, are they being taken care of properly), while the US is thinking long term.  What's the point of keeping these children with the adults that brought them if the adults aren't their parents and the children will be beaten, raped, murdered or sold into slavery in 6 months?  Sometimes short term pain brings long term happiness.

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #88 on: July 10, 2018, 10:48:02 PM »
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  • Not all of the adults are their true parents.  We're trying to figure this out and avoid giving children back to kidnappers, rapists and drug dealers.

    You're thinking about the short term (i.e. are these kids separated for a few weeks, are they being taken care of properly), while the US is thinking long term.  What's the point of keeping these children with the adults that brought them if the adults aren't their parents and the children will be beaten, raped, murdered or sold into slavery in 6 months?  Sometimes short term pain brings long term happiness.
    A part of the problem is the government's shoddy record keeping; " 3,000 migrant children remain in government custody after being separated from their parents, and about 100 of them are under the age of 5, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. The New York Times has reported that some records on the separated families have been lost or even destroyed, raising the possibility that some children may never be reunited with their families. In addition, the U.S. has already deported at least 19 parents of children under the age of 5 and in federal custody.


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/old-baby-appears-immigration-court-010118726.html

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #89 on: July 11, 2018, 12:49:33 AM »
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  • Poche. You are a pro-illegal immigration advocate. By and large, pro-illegal immigration folks(especially public figures, politicians, activists) are PRO-ABORTION. It's a sine qua non.  You may be hiding.  However, you cannot fool me. You are a leftist tool.