It is true that they're leaving some of the world's most sordid, corrupt, gang-riddled and violent countries to come here. Two of the countries with the highest murder rates are in Central America; Honduras and El Salvador. Many of these people, if they return to their home countries, will likely die.When you take a person's child from them you become responsible for that child. Housing children in cages is child abuse. If you were to house your children in cages like that you would go to jail once you were found out. Leaving a child wearing diapers in hte primary care of a teenager does not constitute taking care of that child. Those children need to be in foster care.
At the same time, they committed a crime. Is it right that the parents be separated from their children? No. But illegal immigration is a crime and countries have to protect their borders. You can maybe let the decent men in after careful vetting.
The Latino immigrants are some of the hardest-working and most honest people I've ever met. I'm showing my bias as a product of them, but that's what I've noticed. Either way, it's not an ideal situation. If this shooting in the foot keeps going on from him, he might lose in 2020.
Ignoring for a minute the large numbers of single men (many of whom are criminals) who are illegally coming into our country and who will crash into your car without insurance (causing everyone’s rates to go up), or steal, deal drugs, commit tax fraud, or worse...violent crimes.It is not just the family separations that I object it is the conditions in which the children are being kept. What criminality does a child in diapers have that it must be kept in a cage? Once you take a child from its parents then you become responsible for its well being. If you were to place your child in a cage in the way that these children are being treated you would be charged with child abuse. The judge would probably throw the book at you. What these agents are doing with these children would be considered criminal if anybody else were to do the same thing.
If we consider the families that are illegally entering our country, these people are in a bad situation even if we don’t lock them up. So when INS agents put them in prison for VIOLATING THE LAW, it’s not our fault they were trying to escape a worse situation (like starvation in Venezuela or social chaos and 20% interest rates in Argentina. Not to mention the drug crimes and murders that have been going on in Central America for decades). The point is, these people are in a bad spot but it’s not because of the US. Their home countries are uninhabitable but that doesn’t mean we “owe” them citizenship. Mexico won’t help them (because their immigration laws are tough) and we’re the “evil” country?
I’m not a fan of what these people are going through but the process must have order and we can’t let in anybody. I think that Trump is doing 2 things by temporarily splitting up these families. (And I do think the family splits are temporary).
1) reminding these families that they must abide by US law when wanting to enter the country. If they don’t, there will be consequences which will be painful. If there are no consequences to crossing the border illegally then it will never stop and the US will cease to exist eventually. If these families have a “dose of reality” then maybe those that don’t really need assylum will go elsewhere and then we can help those who truly need it. Many people come to the US because they think they will get “free stuff” when they could’ve just as easily stayed where they were.
2) Trump/Sessions are putting pressure on the democrats to compromise on immigration. The democrats want open borders, socialized immigration and limited govt activity. Why? Because this is how they get “new voters”. Most of these people come from communistic/socialized countries so they are already infected with anti-US, anti-rule-of-law thinking. They will automatically vote democrat because the Democrats give them “free stuff”.
Secondly, open borders facilitate drug, child, and weapon trafficking which the “deep state” is involved in and many of the democratic (and republican) elites get kickbacks for helping to keep this activity going.
The rule of law and secure borders is mostly about keeping out drugs, and gangs rather than being “mean” to families. Secure borders means stopping children and women who are abducted by these gang members and then sold all over the world. These Slaves are in a much worse situation than families who are searching for a better life (when the one they have currently is acceptable). These Slaves are used, abused, sold, raped, tortured and then killed. It’s an epidemic.
Once borders are secure THEN we can properly vet and allow in good families and offer them a better life. Right now, we need to worry about worse things. Drugs, slavery and weapons trafficking are endangering American families, who should come first.
When you take a person's child from them you become responsible for that child. Housing children in cages is child abuse. If you were to house your children in cages like that you would go to jail once you were found out. Leaving a child wearing diapers in hte primary care of a teenager does not constitute taking care of that child. Those children need to be in foster care.No, those children, along with their parents should be sent back from whence they came. If their home country is in ruins then their men should be fighting to rebuild it to make it suitable, not running away. What they lack, besides a functioning government, is male leadership and organization; all the free stuff in the world cannot make up for those shortcomings.
It is not just the family separations that I object it is the conditions in which the children are being kept. What criminality does a child in diapers have that it must be kept in a cage? Once you take a child from its parents then you become responsible for its well being. If you were to place your child in a cage in the way that these children are being treated you would be charged with child abuse. The judge would probably throw the book at you. What these agents are doing with these children would be considered criminal if anybody else were to do the same thing.Poche has a point. If the parents do not want to be separated from their children, they should be given the option of returning back into Mexico. If separation is required because the parent committed other crimes that should be prosecuted, the children should be returned to their country of origin so that thier own nation can take care of them.
(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35329220_1837144466343000_5521799892076331008_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&oh=16969c74b8169f6161f5394af841d9de&oe=5BB6E36D)This is the crux of the matter when it comes down to it. Yes, the majority of them are coming from parts of Latin America with the highest homicide rate in the world. Yes, the drug trade and rampant presence of street gangs is one of the many factors why northern Central America is disintegrating into war zone levels of violence, with thousands of homicides every year.
Poche has a point. If the parents do not want to be separated from their children, they should be given the option of returning back into Mexico.
If separation is required because the parent committed other crimes that should be prosecuted, the children should be returned to their country of origin so that their own nation can take care of them.See above. Sounds good in theory, but in practice, there's not an easy answer.
It's a slap in the face to legal immigration, like many who took that next step.I have 2 close friends from college - 1 from Brazil and 1 from Sweden. Both went to college on small sports scholarships; they wanted to have an American experience. They graduated in 4 years, were good students. Both got green cards and worked after college - 1 was a manager at a large hotel chain. The other continued his studies because he wanted to go to med school. The guy who worked at the hotel chain waited for 2 years, after hiring a lawyer, for news on citizenship - never got it. Ended up moving to Canada and married his girlfriend, who was canadian. Still loves the US and would like to live here but can't.
(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35329220_1837144466343000_5521799892076331008_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&oh=16969c74b8169f6161f5394af841d9de&oe=5BB6E36D)Ether way that doesn't justify acting in a way toward children that would be deemed criminal in a court of law.
Hopefully the children won't be separated for long but rejoined with their border-jumping parents in a large airliner headed south. The children should not be our wards-and neither should the parents. This is a Soros created human rights issue with emotional media optics so the communist/ democrats can beat up on Trump.Once you take a child away from a parent the welfare of the child becomes your responsibility. Acting in a way toward children that keeps them in a cage would be considered criminal in any court of law. There are American citizen parents who are in jail for having done the same thing. Wearing a police badge or an ICE badge doesn't give you a license to violate the Law of God.
Where is Pope Francis in all of this? He heads the Universal Church, which has access and relief services to these countries of origin. The US Is a single sovereign nation who needs to address the poor already here- not an international global institution like the Church whose secondary goal (after the salvation of souls) should be the corporal acts of mercy. ( But that isn't really the point for the globalists, is it)
Once you take a child away from a parent the welfare of the child becomes your responsibility. Acting in a way toward children that keeps them in a cage would be considered criminal in any court of law. There are American citizen parents who are in jail for having done the same thing. Wearing a police badge or an ICE badge doesn't give you a license to violate the Law of God.A) Don't take this personally, but that last sentence is some truly jarring NO bishop kowtowing. It's almost cult-like. These Novus Ordo bishops are all mostly milquetoast and put politics ahead of the Catholic faith. This is not violating the Law of God. What about 60 million abortions since Roe v. Wade? Sodomy enshrined as counterfeit marriage. So many other things in this world are actual violations of the Law of God.
A) Don't take this personally, but that last sentence is some truly jarring NO bishop kowtowing. It's almost cult-like. These Novus Ordo bishops are all mostly milquetoast and put politics ahead of the Catholic faith. This is not violating the Law of God. What about 60 million abortions since Roe v. Wade? Sodomy enshrined as counterfeit marriage. So many other things in this world are actual violations of the Law of God.That is true, American citizens are not in jail for crossing the border illegally. There are some American citizens in jail for keeping their children in cages. That is against the law of the United States and it is also against the Law of God.
B) American citizens aren't in jail for crossing the border illegally... because they're already American citizens.
That is true, American citizens are not in jail for crossing the border illegally. There are some American citizens in jail for keeping their children in cages. That is against the law of the United States and it is also against the Law of God.Stop parroting MSM talking points. Any room big enough to house 20 children is not a cage, no matter what the walls are made from.
If thousands of parents were suddenly arrested in your home town, what would you expect the situation to look like six weeks later?I have to amend my comparison here as I was duped by mainstream news coverage. According to DHS, five-sixths of the children currently being sheltered arrived unaccompanied. Their parents were not arrested as they didn't come with them to begin with.
None of these left-wing politicians or journalists get upset that are country is directly involved in the illegal trade of drugs and guns that makes this crisis possible in the first place. This country has probably destroyed hundreds of thousand of families before they even reached the border. The only politician I remember that has ever acknowledge the CIA's involvement was Ron Paul.Absolutely - no one's talking about this in the mainstream media. No one.
Quote from article in WND:Obama deported more illegal immigrants than George Bush did.
'Reflecting its frustration, the White House press office declared:
“We can’t deport them, we can’t separate them, we can’t detain them, we can’t prosecute them. What (the Democrats) want is a radical open-border policy that lets everyone out into the interior of this country with virtually no docuмentation whatsoever.”
Where many Americans see illegal intruders, Democrats see future voters.'
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2018/06/trump-and-the-invasion-of-the-west/#3jkrbsrZLhVOx5P8.99
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The Democrats only worry about the illegal alien children. They have no concerns for the thousands of American citizen children who are homeless, living in poverty, or in foster care because their parents were arrested. Nancy Peℓσѕι is willing to stand for 8 hours in her stinky stilettos for illegal alien children all while stepping over the bodies of children sleeping on the streets of California in filth with human feces and drug needles surrounding them. The Dems are all about putting on shows. They have no real issues to run on, so they have to create drama and have the fake media push the narrative. No talk about how 80% of the illegal children who arrived in the USA came as unaccompanied minors with no parents or guardians, and a large number of of the children with "parents" are actually with adults who are not their parents. By allowing the Dems to push their agenda for open borders, and allowing anyone with children to enter the country without question, gang members and drug dealers have learned about the stupidity of the left, and are bringing children to provide cover to easily enter the country with no question. Then, the taxpayers are getting stuck with the bill topping $1 billion per year to care for these children, and billions more to fight off the criminal activities of the gang members and drug dealers we let in. The Dems are trying to use these tactics to increase their voting base. They could care less what happens to American citizens. Remember this in the fall when it comes time to vote.
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Stop parroting MSM talking points. Any room big enough to house 20 children is not a cage, no matter what the walls are made from.If this had been the result of a natural disaster then I could see them having problems accommodating all these children. But this is the result of a policy change. If you want to deport them then put them on planes and send them away. If you take the children away from the parents because you wish to make a prosecution then you are responsible for the well being of those children. With the implementation of this policy change it would have been foreseen that there would be a large number of children involved. Keeping small children in jail or jail like conditions is still considered child abuse.
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I think they're doing a decent-enough job attempting to provide shelter for thousands of children within the span of a few weeks.
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If thousands of parents were suddenly arrested in your home town, what would you expect the situation to look like six weeks later?
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These kids are fed and safe and I hope we can see legislation soon that expedites their asylum claims so they can get headed back to their home countries. Perhaps our legislators will throw in some funding for charitable organizations providing assistance in South American countries. You can't relocate every disadvantaged person in the world, but we can encourage and fund more organizations who provide assistance before people need to become migrants.
If this had been the result of a natural disaster then I could see them having problems accommodating all these children. But this is the result of a policy change. If you want to deport them then put them on planes and send them away.Who's going to pay for all these planes, bro? Let's see, the Gonzalez family needs to fly to Mexico City, the Luis family to Guatemala, the Sanchez family to Costa Rica and the Smith family goes to Columbia. 4 families x 4 people = 16 international plane tickets at a cost of $1,000 each. So $16,000 for 16 people? And american taxpayers are going to pay for this? ARE YOU NUTS?! THIS WOULD INCREASE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS COMING TO THE US. Everyone would come to the border to get a free plane ticket anywhere in the world. We'd be bankrupt in a matter of months. And what would stop these people from coming BACK to get more free travel?
If you take the children away from the parents because you wish to make a prosecution then you are responsible for the well being of those children.The parents who illegally brought these children across an INTERNATIONAL border, under dangerous conditions, are responsible for the risks and issues which happen to their children if they get caught crossing such a border. Most well-meaning parents would leave their children at home with relatives and go to the border alone, looking for a green card, and then send for their children later.
With the implementation of this policy change it would have been foreseen that there would be a large number of children involved. Keeping small children in jail or jail like conditions is still considered child abuse.There have ALWAYS BEEN children involved when it comes to immigration. So 2,000 out of 12,000 children were separated, per DHS statistics. That's only 16%. And most likely they were separated because we weren't sure if the "relative" of the child was actually their relative. You do realize that drug lords and terrorists ABDUCT children and bring them across the border as a cover, right? Then they sell the child (or worse) once they don't need them anymore. Most likely, the drug lord killed the family of the child as well. So the US is trying to STOP cнιℓd тrαffιcKING when such separations occur. Again, looking at the statistics, 84% of families ARE NOT SEPARATED.
If this had been the result of a natural disaster then I could see them having problems accommodating all these children. But this is the result of a policy change. If you want to deport them then put them on planes and send them away. If you take the children away from the parents because you wish to make a prosecution then you are responsible for the well being of those children. With the implementation of this policy change it would have been foreseen that there would be a large number of children involved. Keeping small children in jail or jail like conditions is still considered child abuse.Yes, train the children to see that if they commit a crime nothing will happen to them, in fact they will be cared for. There is no disaster, they are economic migrants, here to make money and send it home to Mexico, stealing it from the American economy, or to take advantage of our welfare system. Wake up, and stop acting like the communists, and Jєωs who are promoting this destructive narrative in throughout the world, almost entirely in white countries.
Who's going to pay for all these planes, bro? Let's see, the Gonzalez family needs to fly to Mexico City, the Luis family to Guatemala, the Sanchez family to Costa Rica and the Smith family goes to Columbia. 4 families x 4 people = 16 international plane tickets at a cost of $1,000 each. So $16,000 for 16 people? And american taxpayers are going to pay for this? ARE YOU NUTS?! THIS WOULD INCREASE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS COMING TO THE US. Everyone would come to the border to get a free plane ticket anywhere in the world. We'd be bankrupt in a matter of months. And what would stop these people from coming BACK to get more free travel?The US may have a "legal" right to shoot these people but that would go against the fifth commandment in the Law of God. As far as paying for the planes if the government wants to deport them then the government should pay for the deportation. It is a lot less expensive to put undesirable aliens on airplanes and sending them back to their home countries than to pay to incarcerate them in prison for an indeterminate amount of time.
Your arguments are pure idealism and make no sense in the real world.
The parents who illegally brought these children across an INTERNATIONAL border, under dangerous conditions, are responsible for the risks and issues which happen to their children if they get caught crossing such a border. Most well-meaning parents would leave their children at home with relatives and go to the border alone, looking for a green card, and then send for their children later.
In theory, the US is within it's legal rights to SHOOT THESE PEOPLE who try to enter the country illegally. You get that? The fact that we don't shoot them, or send out packs of wild dogs, or use drones to end their life is already a MAJOR ACT OF CHARITY. Then we HUMANELY take them into detention centers, FEED them, CLOTHE them, give them MEDICINE, a BED, and whatever else. IT'S ALL FREE! WHAT IS MORE CHRISTIAN THAN THAT?
When you take a child away from its parent then you become responsible for the well being of that child. When a government official abuses a child in the name of "government policy" then his culpability is greater than if it was just anybody.
Your arguments are pure idealism and make no sense in the real world.
The parents who illegally brought these children across an INTERNATIONAL border, under dangerous conditions, are responsible for the risks and issues which happen to their children if they get caught crossing such a border. Most well-meaning parents would leave their children at home with relatives and go to the border alone, looking for a green card, and then send for their children later.
To treat small a small child as a criminal is insane and immoral. Placing small children in jail is still child abuse. It oesn't matter who the children are or where they come from child abuse is still child abuse.
Finally, if a family comes to the border, they know that being arrested is possible. A DETENTION CENTER is just another word for a jail. So EVERYONE who is in a detention center IS IN JAIL. When you complain about "jail like conditions" it just goes to show that you don't have a clear understanding of how all this works. When you complain about children being kept in "cells", you forget that THE ENTIRE DETENTION CENTER IS A BIG JAIL CELL. These people are being forcefully detained because THEY BROKE THE LAW, just like they would be handcuffed, fingerprinted and jailed if they tried to break down your back door.
These people are lucky to be alive. They are lucky we are taking care of them. I know that "some" of them need assylum but most come to the US looking for free stuff and a better life - this is not an excuse to break the law. They know the consequences and they know we are a charitable nation which is why they want to come here. If we were truly running a "gulag" where children were being treated like dogs, then people wouldn't be coming from all over the south american continent to get here.
However, The New Yorker spoke to lawyers and advocates (https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-government-has-no-plan-for-reuniting-the-immigrant-families-it-is-tearing-apart) who said there is no formal process or clear protocol for tracking parents and children within the system and that chaotic systems and inadequate record keeping make it difficult even to know which facility a child might be kept at.Your evidence are two premiere Jєωιѕн leftist propaganda outlets. Do not use such unreliable sources if you want to be taken seriously. Poche, you seem to have over time, absorbed the communist narrative on just about everything
And The New York Times reports (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/17/us/immigration-deported-parents.html) that some parents have been deported without their children, against their will.
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621065383/what-we-know-family-separation-and-zero-tolerance-at-the-border
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/17/us/immigration-deported-parents.html
Where are the children?
The US may have a "legal" right to shoot these people but that would go against the fifth commandment in the Law of God.If you try to break into a bank, you will get shot. Tresspassing is against the moral law. Companies (and nations) have a right to defend themselves. ILLEGAL immigrants are INTRUDERS.
When you take a child away from its parent then you become responsible for the well being of that child.If a parent takes their child with them to rob a bank, and they get caught, the child does not go with the parent to jail. Same situation here.
When a government official abuses a child in the name of "government policy" then his culpability is greater than if it was just anybody.You're assuming abuse, based on the media's half-truths and lies. Outside of the separation from the parent (which is necessary, in some cases, and only happening 16% of the time), there is no abuse happening.
Placing small children in jail is still child abuse.Where are they supposed to go? Let them back out into the desert ALONE? Call their relatives to come pick them up? Oh, wait, we can't do that because their relatives are poor.
"If this had been the result of a natural disaster then I could see them having problems accommodating all these children. But this is the result of a policy change."The Homeland Security Act of 2002, approved by the Congress and specifically by Ms Clinton, Mr Biden and Mr Kerry, who voted FOR it.
Your evidence are two premiere Jєωιѕн leftist propaganda outlets. Do not use such unreliable sources if you want to be taken seriously. Poche, you seem to have over time, absorbed the communist narrative on just about everythingThe question should not be just who said it, but is what was said the truth?
The question should not be just who said it, but is what was said the truth?No, it is not the truth. The truth is that every single one of these children are objectively law breakers, as are their parents, when their real parents can even be found.
The Homeland Security Act of 2002, approved by the Congress and specifically by Ms Clinton, Mr Biden and Mr Kerry, who voted FOR it.Obama was sued for implementing this law and now there is an agreement. Trump wants to cancel out this agreement.
Is this the policy you are talking about?(Public Law 107-296- Nov 25, 2002.)
Obama detained children under this law as well, in much more stringent conditions.
Are you having a problem with with obeying this law? No policy change here.
No, it is not the truth. The truth is that every single one of these children are objectively law breakers, as are their parents, when their real parents can even be found.Something is wrong when we see children young enough to be in diapers as criminals.
The Jєωιѕн leftist narrative has really gotten hold of your soul.
Something is wrong when we see children young enough to be in diapers as criminals.The "parents" send their 12 year old daughters by themselves among the coyotes that smuggle them into the USA to get raped multiple times along the way. These are not real parents, their children are just chattel to them. Unfortunately, the faith, their only hope of civilizing, has been taken from them by their masonic government, and what you have left are beasts. The savageness is in the raw with the poor because they do not have the money to cover it up with mansions, plastic surgery, abortions, Merecedes Benz..... The rich in Mexico have solved the problem by aborting their children and taking advantage of the cheap labor to live "clean". Until South America returns to the true faith LIVED, they will remain as just another Africa.
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A distressing image of a crying toddler locked in a barred cage after purportedly being detained by US immigration officials has gone viral – but despite online claims, it does not actually depict what has been alleged. The image, which shows a little boy crying in a cage as he looks out between its bars, was shared by activist journalist and undocuмented migrant Jose Antonio Vargas as a comment on the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown on families.(https://www.blacklistednews.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/BoyInCage.jpg)(https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/BoyInCage.jpg?itok=FHvDukCg) (https://www.blacklistednews.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/BoyInCage.jpg?itok=FHvDukCg)
In the same thread, Vargas admitted that he came across the photo on a friend’s timeline and was still looking for the original source. Nevertheless, the snap quickly went viral with Vargas’ post garnering more than 23,000 retweets and many others sharing the image across their own social media accounts.
Vargas explained that he shared the photo because when he was detained by ICE in McAllen, Texas in 2014, he encountered children who were locked up there. “It wasn’t okay then; it’s not okay now,” he wrote, adding that he’s been outraged about the incident for years.Ergo: an activist journalist and undocuмented immigrant makes it look as if a picture depicts something that in reality it did not. Note also that the article says he wanted to comment on the Trump immigration crackdown, because he has memories of the Obama immigration crackdown, when he saw children locked up. But then, hey, that’s social media, right? Anyone can say anything.
It has since emerged that the picture was in fact not from a detention facility at all, and instead was taken at a protest against Trump’s immigration policies held on June 10 outside Dallas City Hall. The demonstration organized by Brown Berets de Cemanahuac was held to call out the policy of family separation and confining undocuмented children.
Two photos that went viral on social media depict scenes that are not directly related to the family separations taking place on the US-Mexico border since early May. The most prominent, of Honduran two-year-old Yanela Varela crying inconsolably, has become a global symbol of the separations – helping to attract more than $18 million in donations for a Texas non-profit called RAICES. The photograph was taken on June 12 in McAllen, Texas by John Moore, a Pulitzer Prize-winning photographer for Getty Images.(https://www.blacklistednews.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/GettyGirlfromTrumpPicture550.jpg)(https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/GettyGirlfromTrumpPicture550.jpg) (https://www.blacklistednews.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/GettyGirlfromTrumpPicture550.jpg?itok=wd5KmNFB)
An online article about the picture, published by Time Magazine, initially reported the girl was taken from her mother, but was subsequently corrected to make clear that: “The girl was not carried away screaming by US Border Patrol agents; her mother picked her up and the two were taken away together.” Time Magazine nonetheless used the image of the sobbing child on its cover, next to an image of President Trump looming over her, with the caption “Welcome to America”. The head of Honduras’ Migrant Protection Office Lisa Medrano confirmed to AFP that the little girl, just two years old, “was not separated” from her family.(https://www.blacklistednews.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/TimeTrumpGirl.jpg)(https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/TimeTrumpGirl.jpg) (https://www.blacklistednews.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/TimeTrumpGirl.jpg?itok=A7GIXDux)
The child’s father also said as much. Denis Varela told the Washington Post that his wife Sandra Sanchez, 32, had not been separated from their daughter, and that both were being detained together in an immigration center in McAllen. Under fire for its cover – which was widely decried as misleading including by the White House – the magazine said it was standing by its decision. “The June 12 photograph of the 2-year-old Honduran girl became the most visible symbol of the ongoing immigration debate in America for a reason,” Time’s editor-in-chief Edward Felsenthal said.
Pedophrasty Definition: Argument involving children to prop up a rationalization and make the opponent look like an asshole, as people are defenseless and suspend all skepticism in front of suffering children: nobody has the heart to question the authenticity or source of the reporting. Often done with the aid of pictures. [..] Pedophrasty is effective as it provides arguments to strike before the evidence is formed. People are moved into “doing something” Pedophrasts prey on our maternal (and paternal) instincts.That’s what is dangerous: seeing a photo of a child in distress makes people halt their critical thinking. That’s also why such photos are used. They help build a narrative that doesn’t have to be factual to shock people. But at that point TIME becomes a fiction magazine; it’s where it leaves journalism behind.
Pedophrasty has its most effects on actors, journalists and similar types who are intellectually insecure, deprived of critical judgment, and afraid of being classified as violators of some norm of political correctness. For instance, pedophrasty has been commonly used in the Syrian war by such propagandists as Julian Roepke continuously supplying the German public with pictures of dead children. Or the various lobbies hired by Saudi Barbaria (and allies), such as the Middle East Institute in Washington DC, to promote Sunni Islamist policies under the cover of “think tanks”.
The Nayirah testimony: a false congressional testimony by 15-year-old girl who provided only her first name, Nayirah (she turned out to be the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the U.S.) was a bit responsible into tipping the US into the war. Nayirah claimed that she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators a Kuwaiti hospital, and leave the babies to die. Nobody dared to question the veracity of her claims.
Docuмents obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union featured in a new report released today show the pervasive abuse and neglect of unaccompanied immigrant children detained by U.S. Customs and Border Protection. The report was produced in conjunction with the International Human Rights Clinic at the University of Chicago Law School.Then, what other ‘leaders’, who express their ‘disgust’ and worries at the Trump separation policies do at home. The Guardian yesterday:
“These docuмents provide a glimpse into a federal immigration enforcement system marked by brutality and lawlessness,” said Mitra Ebadolahi, ACLU Border Litigation Project staff attorney. “All human beings deserve to be treated with dignity and respect regardless of their immigration status — and children, in particular, deserve special protection. The misconduct demonstrated in these records is breathtaking, as is the government’s complete failure to hold officials who abuse their power accountable. The abuse that takes place by government officials is reprehensible and un-American.”
The report is based on over 30,000 pages of docuмents dated between 2009 and 2014.
[..] as a British citizen I cannot, in good faith, reassure myself with that time-old mantra that we are somehow more civilised and less cruel or brutal than our cousins across the pond. Nor do I think that condemnation from our government can carry any real currency. Since long before anybody had heard the words “Make America great again”, splitting up families has been official policy in Theresa May’s Home Office – and it has been carried out with a brutality and on a scale that would make even President Trump blush.And the Sydney Morning Herald from December 2017:
The Children’s Commissioner has found that at least 15,000 children growing up in the UK live without a parent because the right of British citizens to reunite with a foreign spouse is limited by an unreasonable income threshold, an impossible complicated application system fraught with Home Office errors, and no legal aid for families to challenge incorrect decisions.
When we visited Nauru as paediatric specialists three years ago, we were asked to see 30 of the 100 children being detained on the island. Among them was a six-year-old girl who had tried to kill herself and a two-year-old boy with such severe behaviour problems a doctor had prescribed anti-psychotic medicines. Their parents were in despair. They had fled persecution, trying to save their children from harm, but had ended up imprisoned on a remote island, without hope.See, what TIME Magazine and others do, using pictures of crying children regardless of their actual context, may make for an initially appealing narrative, but in the end their approach only distracts from what really matters. Which is that children need to be with their mothers (and preferably fathers).
We left with the view that these were the most traumatised children we had ever consulted on, far worse than children we had seen in Australia, Africa, Asia or Europe. Three years later, 43 of those children remain on the island. Officially they are now free to move around, but reports of attacks by locals show Nauru is not safe and so they remain in the “Regional Processing Centre”.
In 2014, the Australian Human Rights Commission reported that children at this centre were deeply traumatised psychologically, and had even been abused. Their detention was harming them. When Australia introduced mandatory detention in 1992, it took 10 weeks on average to process an application for refugee status. Now it takes years. As the numbers of children in detention fall, the length of time in detention rises. This is deliberate: wilfully damaging children’s health to deter others from seeking asylum.
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The "parents" send their 12 year old daughters by themselves among the coyotes that smuggle them into the USA to get raped multiple times along the way. These are not real parents, their children are just chattel to them. Unfortunately, the faith, their only hope of civilizing, has been taken from them by their masonic government, and what you have left are beasts. The savageness is in the raw with the poor because they do not have the money to cover it up with mansions, plastic surgery, abortions, Merecedes Benz..... The rich in Mexico have solved the problem by aborting their children and taking advantage of the cheap labor to live "clean". Until South America returns to the true faith LIVED, they will remain as just another Africa.It is negligence to leave a child that is still in diapers in a situation where it is behind bars and a stranger who is a teenager unknown to its parents has to teach other who are unrelated to it how to change its diapers. Where are the trained and vetted caregivers?
In the USA, if I leave my 12 year old daughter in the car reading a book with the air conditioning running for 3 minutes while I pickup my laundry, I get arrested.
"They didn't know they would be separated from their children after crossing the U.S.-Mexico border due to a zero-tolerance policy that called for prosecuting every adult who entered the country illegally".You see, they came here and the first thing that they did was to break the law, and the fact that they brought children with them with the intent to make them break the law as well, they have broken the moral law as well.
You see, they came here and the first thing that they did was to break the law, and the fact that they brought children with them with the intent to make them break the law as well, they have broken the moral law as well.And why did the government officials lie to them and tell them that they would get their children back if they plead guilty. doesn't that place the integrity of the proceedings in jeapordy? What will happen to the children?
They have no right to be here and the consequences of their actions are theirs alone. Being separated from the children that they have abused by involving them in criminal behavior is their responsibility.
And why did the government officials lie to them and tell them that they would get their children back if they plead guilty. doesn't that place the integrity of the proceedings in jeapordy? What will happen to the children?The Supreme Court has ruled, (though I disagree), that police can lie to citizens and "lead them on" in order to get a confession, to get an indictment, and to get a conviction.
The Supreme Court has ruled, (though I disagree), that police can lie to citizens and "lead them on" in order to get a confession, to get an indictment, and to get a conviction.I am not talking about lying to get a confession. I am talking about lying about the procedure itself and deporting the parents without their children. I am talking about taking the children and keeping them in circuмstances that would be considered child abuse if you or I were to do that to our children.
If local law enforcement is allowed to LIE to CITIZENS, then they can also lie to CRIMINAL, WANNABE-IMMIGRANTS. I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's the way the law works for everyone. Those that enforce the law have an obligation to CONVICT, at the expense of everyone else.
It's been this way for DECADES! Why should "potential" citizens have MORE rights to truth from the executive branch (i.e immigration police) than citizens? Answer: They don't, and they should accept this fact.
Man detained at border for trying to smuggle infant, Border Patrol saysWe also hear reports of parents who have their children taken from them with the accusation that they are smuggling children who are not theirs even when they have the original birth certificates with them.
Officials say man first tried claiming he was baby's father
SAN ANTONIO - A Honduran (https://www.ksat.com/topic/Honduran)man tried to smuggle a 4-month-old girl across the border near Pharr, according to the U.S. Border Patrol.
The incident took place Friday.
The man claimed he was the baby’s biological father but, during questioning, he admitted that wasn’t true. He had bought a fraudulent docuмent identifying himself as the parent, read a news release from Border Patrol officials in Weslaco.
The baby has been separated from the man, and he has been referred for prosecution.
During record checks, agents discovered a 2013 encounter with immigration officials in which the man had smuggled an 8-year-old, claiming he was the father. Because the man and the child received a family unit designation, they were released from federal custody, officials said.
The man admitted after his release that he gave the child to a woman who he believed was the child’s mother.
Did this “family” cross the border at the point of entry, or illegally?Was everybody named Pedro?
Mexicans have access to all kinds of fake SS# docs. I know an auditor who audited a construction company in Atlanta. Multiple Mexicans with multiple fake IDs, who’d work for 6 months as “Pedro”, leave mysteriously to go back home, and they’d be back at the company 3 months later, with new docs saying they were now named “Filipe”. This was 15 yrs ago!!
We also hear reports of parents who have their children taken from them with the accusation that they are smuggling children who are not theirs even when they have the original birth certificates with them.They were in violation of the law, and it was their own responsibility for the consequences. What part of obeying the laws of a country do you not understand? And most of what you hear is from leftist news outlets and most of it is inaccurate or false.
Did this “family” cross the border at the point of entry, or illegally?There are plenty of activists in the NGOs coaching them before they come here, as to what to say and how to lie. Most of them are Jєωs.
Mexicans have access to all kinds of fake SS# docs. I know an auditor who audited a construction company in Atlanta. Multiple Mexicans with multiple fake IDs, who’d work for 6 months as “Pedro”, leave mysteriously to go back home, and they’d be back at the company 3 months later, with new docs saying they were now named “Filipe”. This was 15 yrs ago!!
If you tried to sneak into Canada or Mexico you’d be put in prison just like they are.Are you kidding? Not in Canada. Our ##### prime minister has welcome packages waiting at the border, people to tell you how to get housing, monetary assistance, anything they could need.
It is very likely that this child invader was infected with dirt and lice when he arrived, either that or he became infected from being in proximity to the other border jumpers who are well known to carry all manner of diseases and parasites.This 'child invader' as you call him is supposed to be taken care of when he is removed from his parents. It is not appropriate for a child in government custody to be not bathed for several days. When he is returned to the parents he needs to be returned in as good or better than when they took him away. It is also inappropriate for the local caretakers (aka guards) to be mocking the children when they are crying.
This 'child invader' as you call him is supposed to be taken care of when he is removed from his parents. It is not appropriate for a child in government custody to be not bathed for several days. When he is returned to the parents he needs to be returned in as good or better than when they took him away. It is also inappropriate for the local caretakers (aka guards) to be mocking the children when they are crying.They do not belong here, they came here to deliberately violate the law. If anyone is to be blamed it is the irresponsible parents who brought them or who sent them. And that does not mitigate the unsanitary conditions that they bring with them. They are a danger to the public health.
They do not belong here, they came here to deliberately violate the law. If anyone is to be blamed it is the irresponsible parents who brought them or who sent them. And that does not mitigate the unsanitary conditions that they bring with them. They are a danger to the public health.When you take a child from its parents you are the one who is responsible for its well being. It is you who are responsible for providing sanitation and safety for the children.
They have no right to be here, and they do not belong here. When is that going to sink in?
When a child is apprehended at the border, they are turned over to [the Department of Health and Human Services] and eventually, in about 90% of cases, settled with a relative or family friend. They then are called to appear in immigration court for a “master calendar hearing,” the kickoff of their court proceedings.
Many of those children are likely to get a continuance from the judge to allow them time to find a lawyer, apply for asylum or apply for some other visa that protects children. Some, though, may have a hearing date set within a year to resolve their claim.
The process is a maze. For children, by law, asylum applications go to the Department of Homeland Security first, even as the Justice Department-run immigration courts consider whether to deport them. There are other visas, like the Special Immigrant Juvenile visa for neglected or abused children, that can send the kids to DHS and state courts. All while the immigration court continues to weigh whether or not to deport them.
It’s not clear how many kids separated from their parents have been placed in deportation proceedings. The Trump administration has refused to give an exact number of children taken from their parents since June 26. At that time, it estimated that 2,047 kids were separated.
Johan was granted a voluntary departure order and the government will fly him to Honduras. An attorney with the Florence Project, an Arizona-based nonprofit that provides free legal aid to immigrants, said Johan’s mom and dad are both there.
Johan’s case took place on Friday, when the Trump administration argued that it needed more time to meet a court deadline to reunite kids under 5 years old with their parents. The court rejected the blanket request (http://time.com/5332442/judge-trump-administrations-extension/), instead saying that more time may be granted in certain cases.
https://thinkprogress.org/migrant-toddlers-court-deportation-proceedings-8474ea86129d/
When you take a child from its parents you are the one who is responsible for its well being. It is you who are responsible for providing sanitation and safety for the children.How obtuse can one be? They did not magically pop up here out of thin air, their parents deliberately brought them here to violate the law, and it is they who are responsible for anything that happens to them. They do not have a right to be here at all.
Poche,I join you in your outrage at this great evil. And I join Pope Francis in saying that any Catholic politician who would vote for abortion should consider himself excommunicated.
What about the tens of millions of American children being separated and ripped away from their mother's.....wombs?
Don't hear you trumpeting about this. Where is your outrage? These children have been murdered.
The kids at the border are being cared for and protected from coyotes and pedophiles, which is more than their "parents" and elitist enablers are doing. Can't you see that this is all a contrived globalist invasion to destroy the sovereignty of the US? Aren't the other countries of the world subject to God's law? You need to address the source.
I join you in your outrage at this great evil. And I join Pope Francis in saying that any Catholic politician who would vote for abortion should consider himself excommunicated.But he would probably still give them "communion" for pastoral reasons.
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But he would probably still give them "communion" for pastoral reasons.I wouldn't.
Some 3,000 migrant children remain in government custody (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/separated-families-migrants_us_5b3e3fa9e4b09e4a8b2af139) after being separated from their parents
Not all of the adults are their true parents. We're trying to figure this out and avoid giving children back to kidnappers, rapists and drug dealers.A part of the problem is the government's shoddy record keeping; " 3,000 migrant children remain in government custody (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/separated-families-migrants_us_5b3e3fa9e4b09e4a8b2af139) after being separated from their parents, and about 100 of them are under the age of 5, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. The New York Times has reported that some records on the separated families have been lost or even destroyed (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/separated-families-migrants_us_5b3e3fa9e4b09e4a8b2af139), raising the possibility that some children may never be reunited with their families. In addition, the U.S. has already deported at least 19 parents of children under the age of 5 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/family-separations_us_5b3f8bc2e4b07b827cbff1e1) and in federal custody.
You're thinking about the short term (i.e. are these kids separated for a few weeks, are they being taken care of properly), while the US is thinking long term. What's the point of keeping these children with the adults that brought them if the adults aren't their parents and the children will be beaten, raped, murdered or sold into slavery in 6 months? Sometimes short term pain brings long term happiness.
Poche. You are a pro-illegal immigration advocate. By and large, pro-illegal immigration folks(especially public figures, politicians, activists) are PRO-ABORTION. It's a sine qua non. You may be hiding. However, you cannot fool me. You are a leftist tool.I am pro-life. Abortion is murder.
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Who cares! You quote from the most biased Democratic sources possible. I don't even know if its possible to remain Catholic and by tied up with these degenerates.I care about the well being of the little children.
Anyway, turn them away at the border do not allow them one inch into the United States, and then there will be no stories like this. Borders closed, send them home!
I care about the well being of the little children.So do I, our children, our families, they should not be destroyed or endangered over you empathy for "children".
So do I, our children, our families, they should not be destroyed or endangered over you empathy for "children".I care about the well being of all of the children.