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Offline JPaul

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Re: Family Separation
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2018, 10:02:07 AM »
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  • These "children" are a TACTIC, of leftists, used to gain sympathy for the foreign invaders of the country. If there is any moral responsibility for them it rests with the open borders activists.


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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #31 on: June 20, 2018, 10:08:07 AM »
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  • I’ve crossed more than a few international borders. I can tell you that drugs and guns are being exchanged at the border daily. Juarez is a border town and one of the most dangerous cities this hemisphere. People are kidnapping migrants and selling their live organs. Why you you cross through that with an infant then throw the infant in the river and risk the infant dying in the dessert? These kids are lucky they did not die in the dessert or worse!!! Upon being reunited with their irresponsible parents they might eventually die in the dessert on their next attempt. Everyone virtue signaling about the kids being separated from their parents. They should be separated. They should be placed in foster care and taken away but they’re not citizens so they can’t do that. 

    Respectable illegal immigrants leave their children with a relative and send back money until they can travel back. Why are suddenly infants entering? What is this about? Government benefits? Better schooling? Cause they’re obviously not working or producing. No decent immigrants will cross that border with infants. 
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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #32 on: June 20, 2018, 11:28:17 AM »
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  • None of these left-wing politicians or journalists get upset that are country is directly involved in the illegal trade of drugs and guns that makes this crisis possible in the first place. This country has probably destroyed hundreds of thousand of families before they even reached the border. The only politician I remember that has ever acknowledge the CIA's involvement was Ron Paul.  

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #33 on: June 20, 2018, 11:52:04 AM »
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  • None of these left-wing politicians or journalists get upset that are country is directly involved in the illegal trade of drugs and guns that makes this crisis possible in the first place. This country has probably destroyed hundreds of thousand of families before they even reached the border. The only politician I remember that has ever acknowledge the CIA's involvement was Ron Paul.  
    Absolutely - no one's talking about this in the mainstream media. No one.

    Central America and northern Mexico don't devolve into war zone levels of violence by happenstance. The United States is the world champion of destroying other countries for their own selfish gain.
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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #34 on: June 20, 2018, 08:11:06 PM »
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  • Dr. Duke & Andy Hitchcock on Zio Lies on Separating Migrant Criminals from Their Children

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #35 on: June 21, 2018, 01:55:08 AM »
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  • Quote from article in WND:

    'Reflecting its frustration, the White House press office declared:
    “We can’t deport them, we can’t separate them, we can’t detain them, we can’t prosecute them. What (the Democrats) want is a radical open-border policy that lets everyone out into the interior of this country with virtually no docuмentation whatsoever.”
    Where many Americans see illegal intruders, Democrats see future voters.'

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2018/06/trump-and-the-invasion-of-the-west/#3jkrbsrZLhVOx5P8.99

    Obama deported more illegal immigrants than George Bush did.

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #36 on: June 21, 2018, 01:58:35 AM »
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    The Democrats only worry about the illegal alien children. They have no concerns for the thousands of American citizen children who are homeless, living in poverty, or in foster care because their parents were arrested. Nancy Peℓσѕι is willing to stand for 8 hours in her stinky stilettos for illegal alien children all while stepping over the bodies of children sleeping on the streets of California in filth with human feces and drug needles surrounding them. The Dems are all about putting on shows. They have no real issues to run on, so they have to create drama and have the fake media push the narrative. No talk about how 80% of the illegal children who arrived in the USA came as unaccompanied minors with no parents or guardians, and a large number of of the children with "parents" are actually with adults who are not their parents. By allowing the Dems to push their agenda for open borders, and allowing anyone with children to enter the country without question, gang members and drug dealers have learned about the stupidity of the left, and are bringing children to provide cover to easily enter the country with no question. Then, the taxpayers are getting stuck with the bill topping $1 billion per year to care for these children, and billions more to fight off the criminal activities of the gang members and drug dealers we let in. The Dems are trying to use these tactics to increase their voting base. They could care less what happens to American citizens. Remember this in the fall when it comes time to vote.
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    The first member of the armed forces to die in the second Iraq war was one of those unaccompanied minors who was processed through the foster system.

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #37 on: June 21, 2018, 02:10:42 AM »
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  • Stop parroting MSM talking points. Any room big enough to house 20 children is not a cage, no matter what the walls are made from.
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    I think they're doing a decent-enough job attempting to provide shelter for thousands of children within the span of a few weeks.
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    If thousands of parents were suddenly arrested in your home town, what would you expect the situation to look like six weeks later?
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    These kids are fed and safe and I hope we can see legislation soon that expedites their asylum claims so they can get headed back to their home countries. Perhaps our legislators will throw in some funding for charitable organizations providing assistance in South American countries. You can't relocate every disadvantaged person in the world, but we can encourage and fund more organizations who provide assistance before people need to become migrants.
    If this had been the result of a natural disaster then I could see them having problems accommodating all these children. But this is the result of a policy change. If you want to deport them then put them on planes and send them away. If you take the children away from the parents because you wish to make a prosecution then you are responsible for the well being of those children. With the implementation of this policy change it would have been foreseen that there would be a large number of children involved. Keeping small children in jail or jail like conditions is still considered child abuse. 


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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #38 on: June 21, 2018, 07:10:08 AM »
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    If this had been the result of a natural disaster then I could see them having problems accommodating all these children. But this is the result of a policy change. If you want to deport them then put them on planes and send them away.
    Who's going to pay for all these planes, bro?  Let's see, the Gonzalez family needs to fly to Mexico City, the Luis family to Guatemala, the Sanchez family to Costa Rica and the Smith family goes to Columbia.  4 families x 4 people = 16 international plane tickets at a cost of $1,000 each.  So $16,000 for 16 people?  And american taxpayers are going to pay for this?  ARE YOU NUTS?!  THIS WOULD INCREASE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS COMING TO THE US.  Everyone would come to the border to get a free plane ticket anywhere in the world.  We'd be bankrupt in a matter of months.  And what would stop these people from coming BACK to get more free travel?

    Your arguments are pure idealism and make no sense in the real world.

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    If you take the children away from the parents because you wish to make a prosecution then you are responsible for the well being of those children.
    The parents who illegally brought these children across an INTERNATIONAL border, under dangerous conditions, are responsible for the risks and issues which happen to their children if they get caught crossing such a border.  Most well-meaning parents would leave their children at home with relatives and go to the border alone, looking for a green card, and then send for their children later.

    In theory, the US is within it's legal rights to SHOOT THESE PEOPLE who try to enter the country illegally.  You get that?  The fact that we don't shoot them, or send out packs of wild dogs, or use drones to end their life is already a MAJOR ACT OF CHARITY.  Then we HUMANELY take them into detention centers, FEED them, CLOTHE them, give them MEDICINE, a BED, and whatever else.  IT'S ALL FREE!  WHAT IS MORE CHRISTIAN THAN THAT?

    If someone tries to enter your house, are you obligated to let them in, feed them, give them your bed and care for their children until the courts have time, 30 days later (at minimum) to review whether or not they should be in your house and where they should go now?  Or would you call the cops and complain that a family is trying to break down your back door?  What would happen if the cops came to your house and arrested this family?  The parents would be sent to jail and the children WOULD BE SEPARATED and sent to foster care.  HOW IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE BORDER?

    Again, you argue from pure emotion and idealism.  No common sense.

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    With the implementation of this policy change it would have been foreseen that there would be a large number of children involved. Keeping small children in jail or jail like conditions is still considered child abuse.
    There have ALWAYS BEEN children involved when it comes to immigration.  So 2,000 out of 12,000 children were separated, per DHS statistics.  That's only 16%.  And most likely they were separated because we weren't sure if the "relative" of the child was actually their relative.  You do realize that drug lords and terrorists ABDUCT children and bring them across the border as a cover, right?  Then they sell the child (or worse) once they don't need them anymore.  Most likely, the drug lord killed the family of the child as well.  So the US is trying to STOP cнιℓd тrαffιcKING when such separations occur.  Again, looking at the statistics, 84% of families ARE NOT SEPARATED.

    Finally, if a family comes to the border, they know that being arrested is possible.  A DETENTION CENTER is just another word for a jail.  So EVERYONE who is in a detention center IS IN JAIL.  When you complain about "jail like conditions" it just goes to show that you don't have a clear understanding of how all this works.  When you complain about children being kept in "cells", you forget that THE ENTIRE DETENTION CENTER IS A BIG JAIL CELL.  These people are being forcefully detained because THEY BROKE THE LAW, just like they would be handcuffed, fingerprinted and jailed if they tried to break down your back door.

    These people are lucky to be alive.  They are lucky we are taking care of them.  I know that "some" of them need assylum but most come to the US looking for free stuff and a better life - this is not an excuse to break the law.  They know the consequences and they know we are a charitable nation which is why they want to come here.  If we were truly running a "gulag" where children were being treated like dogs, then people wouldn't be coming from all over the south american continent to get here.

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #39 on: June 21, 2018, 08:44:48 AM »
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  • If this had been the result of a natural disaster then I could see them having problems accommodating all these children. But this is the result of a policy change. If you want to deport them then put them on planes and send them away. If you take the children away from the parents because you wish to make a prosecution then you are responsible for the well being of those children. With the implementation of this policy change it would have been foreseen that there would be a large number of children involved. Keeping small children in jail or jail like conditions is still considered child abuse.
    Yes, train the children to see that if they commit a crime nothing will happen to them, in fact they will be cared for. There is no disaster, they are economic migrants, here to make money and send it home to Mexico, stealing it from the American economy, or to take advantage of our welfare system. Wake up, and stop acting like the communists, and Jєωs who are promoting this destructive narrative in throughout the world, almost entirely in white countries.

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #40 on: June 21, 2018, 10:51:42 PM »
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  • Who's going to pay for all these planes, bro?  Let's see, the Gonzalez family needs to fly to Mexico City, the Luis family to Guatemala, the Sanchez family to Costa Rica and the Smith family goes to Columbia.  4 families x 4 people = 16 international plane tickets at a cost of $1,000 each.  So $16,000 for 16 people?  And american taxpayers are going to pay for this?  ARE YOU NUTS?!  THIS WOULD INCREASE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS COMING TO THE US.  Everyone would come to the border to get a free plane ticket anywhere in the world.  We'd be bankrupt in a matter of months.  And what would stop these people from coming BACK to get more free travel?

    Your arguments are pure idealism and make no sense in the real world.
    The parents who illegally brought these children across an INTERNATIONAL border, under dangerous conditions, are responsible for the risks and issues which happen to their children if they get caught crossing such a border.  Most well-meaning parents would leave their children at home with relatives and go to the border alone, looking for a green card, and then send for their children later.

    In theory, the US is within it's legal rights to SHOOT THESE PEOPLE who try to enter the country illegally.  You get that?  The fact that we don't shoot them, or send out packs of wild dogs, or use drones to end their life is already a MAJOR ACT OF CHARITY.  Then we HUMANELY take them into detention centers, FEED them, CLOTHE them, give them MEDICINE, a BED, and whatever else.  IT'S ALL FREE!  WHAT IS MORE CHRISTIAN THAN THAT?






    The US may have a "legal" right to shoot these people but that would go against the fifth commandment in the Law of God. As far as paying for the planes if the government wants to deport them then the government should pay for the deportation. It is a lot less expensive to put undesirable aliens on airplanes and sending them back to their home countries than to pay to incarcerate them in prison for an indeterminate amount of time.


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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #41 on: June 21, 2018, 10:56:31 PM »
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  • Your arguments are pure idealism and make no sense in the real world.
    The parents who illegally brought these children across an INTERNATIONAL border, under dangerous conditions, are responsible for the risks and issues which happen to their children if they get caught crossing such a border.  Most well-meaning parents would leave their children at home with relatives and go to the border alone, looking for a green card, and then send for their children later.
    When you take a child away from its parent then you become responsible for the well being of that child. When a government official abuses a child in the name of "government policy" then his culpability is greater than if it was just anybody.

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #42 on: June 21, 2018, 11:53:48 PM »
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  • Finally, if a family comes to the border, they know that being arrested is possible.  A DETENTION CENTER is just another word for a jail.  So EVERYONE who is in a detention center IS IN JAIL.  When you complain about "jail like conditions" it just goes to show that you don't have a clear understanding of how all this works.  When you complain about children being kept in "cells", you forget that THE ENTIRE DETENTION CENTER IS A BIG JAIL CELL.  These people are being forcefully detained because THEY BROKE THE LAW, just like they would be handcuffed, fingerprinted and jailed if they tried to break down your back door.

    These people are lucky to be alive.  They are lucky we are taking care of them.  I know that "some" of them need assylum but most come to the US looking for free stuff and a better life - this is not an excuse to break the law.  They know the consequences and they know we are a charitable nation which is why they want to come here.  If we were truly running a "gulag" where children were being treated like dogs, then people wouldn't be coming from all over the south american continent to get here.
    To treat small a small child as a criminal is insane and immoral. Placing small children in jail is still child abuse. It oesn't matter who the children are or where they come from child abuse is still child abuse.

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #43 on: June 22, 2018, 02:48:42 AM »
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  • However, The New Yorker spoke to lawyers and advocates who said there is no formal process or clear protocol for tracking parents and children within the system and that chaotic systems and inadequate record keeping make it difficult even to know which facility a child might be kept at.
    And The New York Times reports that some parents have been deported without their children, against their will.


    https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621065383/what-we-know-family-separation-and-zero-tolerance-at-the-border

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/17/us/immigration-deported-parents.html

    Where are the children?

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #44 on: June 22, 2018, 07:43:51 AM »
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  • However, The New Yorker spoke to lawyers and advocates who said there is no formal process or clear protocol for tracking parents and children within the system and that chaotic systems and inadequate record keeping make it difficult even to know which facility a child might be kept at.
    And The New York Times reports that some parents have been deported without their children, against their will.


    https://www.npr.org/2018/06/19/621065383/what-we-know-family-separation-and-zero-tolerance-at-the-border

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/17/us/immigration-deported-parents.html

    Where are the children?
    Your evidence are two premiere Jєωιѕн leftist propaganda outlets. Do not use such unreliable sources if you want to be taken seriously. Poche, you seem to have over time, absorbed the communist narrative on just about everything