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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Family Separation
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2018, 06:09:23 PM »
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    It's a slap in the face to legal immigration, like many who took that next step.
    I have 2 close friends from college - 1 from Brazil and 1 from Sweden.  Both went to college on small sports scholarships; they wanted to have an American experience.  They graduated in 4 years, were good students.  Both got green cards and worked after college - 1 was a manager at a large hotel chain.  The other continued his studies because he wanted to go to med school.  The guy who worked at the hotel chain waited for 2 years, after hiring a lawyer, for news on citizenship - never got it.  Ended up moving to Canada and married his girlfriend, who was canadian.  Still loves the US and would like to live here but can't.

    The Brazilian saw what happened to his friend and also moved back home.  He decided against med school but now works for a large, financial marketing company and started a successful brewery on the side.

    These are the types of immigrants that we want - smart, successful, hard-working.  They can't get citizenship because everything's clogged up with illegals.

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #16 on: June 18, 2018, 06:41:02 PM »
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  • If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #17 on: June 18, 2018, 07:00:07 PM »
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  • Hopefully the children won't be separated for long but rejoined with their border-jumping parents in a large airliner headed south. The children should not be our wards-and neither should the parents. This is a Soros created human rights issue with emotional media optics so the communist/ democrats can beat up on Trump.
     Where is Pope Francis in all of this? He heads the Universal Church, which has access and relief services to these countries of origin. The US Is a single sovereign nation who needs to address the poor already here- not an international global institution like the Church whose secondary goal (after the salvation of souls) should be the corporal acts of mercy.  ( But that isn't really the point for the globalists, is it)

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #18 on: June 18, 2018, 10:28:21 PM »
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  • Ether way that doesn't justify acting in a way toward children that would be deemed criminal in a court of law. 

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #19 on: June 18, 2018, 10:31:42 PM »
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  • Hopefully the children won't be separated for long but rejoined with their border-jumping parents in a large airliner headed south. The children should not be our wards-and neither should the parents. This is a Soros created human rights issue with emotional media optics so the communist/ democrats can beat up on Trump.
     Where is Pope Francis in all of this? He heads the Universal Church, which has access and relief services to these countries of origin. The US Is a single sovereign nation who needs to address the poor already here- not an international global institution like the Church whose secondary goal (after the salvation of souls) should be the corporal acts of mercy.  ( But that isn't really the point for the globalists, is it)
    Once you take a child away from a parent the welfare of the child becomes your responsibility. Acting in a way toward children that keeps them in a cage would be considered criminal in any court of law. There are American citizen parents who are in jail for having done the same thing. Wearing a police badge or an ICE badge doesn't give you a license to violate the Law of God.


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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #20 on: June 18, 2018, 10:53:58 PM »
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  • Once you take a child away from a parent the welfare of the child becomes your responsibility. Acting in a way toward children that keeps them in a cage would be considered criminal in any court of law. There are American citizen parents who are in jail for having done the same thing. Wearing a police badge or an ICE badge doesn't give you a license to violate the Law of God.
    A) Don't take this personally, but that last sentence is some truly jarring NO bishop kowtowing. It's almost cult-like. These Novus Ordo bishops are all mostly milquetoast and put politics ahead of the Catholic faith. This is not violating the Law of God. What about 60 million abortions since Roe v. Wade? Sodomy enshrined as counterfeit marriage. So many other things in this world are actual violations of the Law of God.

    B) American citizens aren't in jail for crossing the border illegally... because they're already American citizens.
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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #21 on: June 19, 2018, 03:50:43 AM »
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  • A) Don't take this personally, but that last sentence is some truly jarring NO bishop kowtowing. It's almost cult-like. These Novus Ordo bishops are all mostly milquetoast and put politics ahead of the Catholic faith. This is not violating the Law of God. What about 60 million abortions since Roe v. Wade? Sodomy enshrined as counterfeit marriage. So many other things in this world are actual violations of the Law of God.

    B) American citizens aren't in jail for crossing the border illegally... because they're already American citizens.
    That is true, American citizens are not in jail for crossing the border illegally. There are some American citizens in jail for keeping their children in cages. That is against the law of the United States and it is also against the Law of God. 

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #22 on: June 19, 2018, 05:07:32 AM »
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  • Separating children, possibly.

    If I seemed uncouth to you on this, please accept my apologies. It's just that when one is raised by legal immigrants, they typically take a hardline stance on this issue. 

    My parents are Democrat and a vague semblance of a free-market libertarian. He does not vote and I've only recently heard him say anything political. They, because they spent the time and money to come here via New York and Puerto Rico, take a very right-wing stance on it.
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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #23 on: June 19, 2018, 08:11:31 AM »
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  • Quote from article in WND:

    'Reflecting its frustration, the White House press office declared:
    “We can’t deport them, we can’t separate them, we can’t detain them, we can’t prosecute them. What (the Democrats) want is a radical open-border policy that lets everyone out into the interior of this country with virtually no documentation whatsoever.”
    Where many Americans see illegal intruders, Democrats see future voters.'

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2018/06/trump-and-the-invasion-of-the-west/#3jkrbsrZLhVOx5P8.99

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #24 on: June 19, 2018, 05:34:59 PM »
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  • The Truth about Separating Kids From Parents at the Border


    There’s been a lot of talk about separating children from their parents at the border in recent days. Depending on who you ask, it’s either a complete necessity or an absolute evil. Here at UnitedVoice, we know that appearances can be deceiving; until you truly start to dig into the “why” of a situation, you can’t possibly know whether those public viewpoints are true. The media, politicians (from both sides), and even social media can influence how we feel and cause us to “fall for” fake news.
    We decided to do a little bit of digging into this issue to see what the truth about separation really was. It turns out the answer isn’t straightforward; many people have the wrong idea about why and how it’s happening.
    • First things first: Yes, sometimes children are separated at the border. To deny this fact would be tantamount to lying. Additionally, some of the videos and images you’ve seen of children detailed are, in fact, true.
    • What isn’t true is the full story. You’re being told that children are indiscriminately being separated from their parents, either because the US wants to punish them and dissuade future immigrants or because border officials are “cruel.” This is false.
    • In fact, multiple I.C.E. members and border patrollers have spoken up to state that removing children from their parents is undesired, uncommon, and heartbreaking. First Lady Melania Trump also stated that she “hates to see” children separated.
    • To explain why and when child separation occurs, we need to go all the way back to 1997, during the Clinton Administration. At the time, government officials signed the Flores Consent Decree into order. It stated that children who are not accompanied by an adult could be held no more than 20 days at a time.
    • However, adults who cross the border into America illegally are committing a crime – even if they bring children across in hope of a better life. Thus, they must be arrested and detained. If they claim asylum, it can take months or even years to process that claim – far longer than the government is permitted to hold their children.
    • Officials are left with two options: release the adults with their children on their own recognizance, never to see them again. Or, turn the children over to the HHS while their parents are imprisoned and unable to care for them.
    • There is a third option: release the children to their parents if and when they agree to be deported back to their home countries immediately. They always have the option to opt to go home.
    • Children who come into the care of the HHS aren’t left in emergency shelters, such as those witnessed in videos, long-term. They may be temporarily housed there because I.C.E. quite literally does not have anywhere for them to go. While there, children are provided with care, counseling, food, and support.
    • Once HHS steps in, most children are placed with migrant family members already in the United States. Some are released to the foster system, while others are sent home with relatives.
    • The problem with ramping migration right now stems from previously lax arrangements that saw significant numbers of adults released if they brought children across the border. Families have capitalized on this to gain access to the United States, quickly disappearing, never to be seen again.
    • When families disappear after entering the United States, it puts their children at great risk. Research shows children often go without medical care, without proper schooling, and in some cases, without shelter or protection.
    • No one likes separating children from their parents, especially when children are still in toddlerhood or pre-teen ages. But it just isn’t an option to release them into the country or let them stay in prison with their parents. In terms of traumatic experiences, staying in an emergency shelter and then moving in with relatives is far less problematic.
    • A final point to consider is the fact that we simply do not provide border services with enough money to house children and families together. There are only approximately 3,000 family units available; migrant numbers far exceed the availability.
    • If the separation bothers you, you have options to resolve it. Get involved; lobby the government for change. Ask the Trump administration to remove the Flores Decree and allot more money into expediting true asylum cases so parents and children don’t need to be separated. It’s about helping those who really need it, not those who simply smuggle in children to get in illegally.


    Kat Foust ·
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    I get that people are upset about the kids, but they don't seem to understand that it's no different than when anyone else breaks the law. What do they propose? That we just let everyone in, unscreened? That the kids go to jail with the parents?
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    Jim Thresher ·
    Colorado Springs, Colorado
    Democrats are trying to make this a Republican problem, but much of this happened under Obama. I am sick of the left wing democrat lies.
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    Alexander Marinesko ·
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    Big time free mileage in the media for democrats....................
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    Jack C Pickard ·
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    Actually, Congress can fix this but haven't. End of Subject! Fire all of them that refuse to work on this problem and continue to blame The President and Courts for these problems. It takes corrective Legislation to fix these problems.
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    John Hennigan ·
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    I find it difficult to understand how ANYONE who checks Mexico's immigration laws are severe. In South America, Columbians used to charge the boarder prior to chaves taking over. They, back then would rather live on the side of the mountain by the airport then to be in Columbia. In Argentina, they would fire on Bolivians who were attempting to cross the boarder. Now in England, France and Germany they were more humane to immigrants and GUESS WHAT! Merkel is about to get thrown out of her job since she opened boarders to all. In Paris, they have Muslims (no go zones for police) taking up streets without police intervention since they fear being killed.And then there's Englan, enugh said. The cost of immigrants is huge and a burden on the country they're in. If you want to break the rules and get caught: Suck it up buttercup. If you want in do it right or face the consequences.

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    Democrats just want future voters and the military needs future soldiers to fight wars for an ever expanding Israel.
    Mexico has very tough immigration policies and everyone that is not a Mexican Citizen will be immediately deported.
    Mexico is not taking in any Muslim migrants and refugees.
    It is the mental illness of Liberalism that demands open borders. The future price we will pay is an every growing
    crime and drug problems and a very corrupt government.

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #25 on: June 19, 2018, 06:39:33 PM »
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    "If there's any suspicion that they're not really truly related to those people, then they will be separated for their own safety," a chief border agent said of kids who are often recycled by smugglers to get adults into the United States.



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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #26 on: June 19, 2018, 07:58:31 PM »
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    Sharon Belhamel · Atlanta, Georgia
    The Democrats only worry about the illegal alien children. They have no concerns for the thousands of American citizen children who are homeless, living in poverty, or in foster care because their parents were arrested. Nancy Pelosi is willing to stand for 8 hours in her stinky stilettos for illegal alien children all while stepping over the bodies of children sleeping on the streets of California in filth with human feces and drug needles surrounding them. The Dems are all about putting on shows. They have no real issues to run on, so they have to create drama and have the fake media push the narrative. No talk about how 80% of the illegal children who arrived in the USA came as unaccompanied minors with no parents or guardians, and a large number of of the children with "parents" are actually with adults who are not their parents. By allowing the Dems to push their agenda for open borders, and allowing anyone with children to enter the country without question, gang members and drug dealers have learned about the stupidity of the left, and are bringing children to provide cover to easily enter the country with no question. Then, the taxpayers are getting stuck with the bill topping $1 billion per year to care for these children, and billions more to fight off the criminal activities of the gang members and drug dealers we let in. The Dems are trying to use these tactics to increase their voting base. They could care less what happens to American citizens. Remember this in the fall when it comes time to vote.
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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #27 on: June 19, 2018, 09:04:45 PM »
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  • That is true, American citizens are not in jail for crossing the border illegally. There are some American citizens in jail for keeping their children in cages. That is against the law of the United States and it is also against the Law of God.
    Stop parroting MSM talking points. Any room big enough to house 20 children is not a cage, no matter what the walls are made from.
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    I think they're doing a decent-enough job attempting to provide shelter for thousands of children within the span of a few weeks.
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    If thousands of parents were suddenly arrested in your home town, what would you expect the situation to look like six weeks later?
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    These kids are fed and safe and I hope we can see legislation soon that expedites their asylum claims so they can get headed back to their home countries. Perhaps our legislators will throw in some funding for charitable organizations providing assistance in South American countries. You can't relocate every disadvantaged person in the world, but we can encourage and fund more organizations who provide assistance before people need to become migrants.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #28 on: June 19, 2018, 09:46:37 PM »
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  • Put me in charge of immigration and only baptized Catholics will have a chance. Practicing Catholics will have more of a chance and Latin Mass Trads would be given incentives.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    Re: Family Separation
    « Reply #29 on: June 20, 2018, 02:28:15 AM »
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  • If thousands of parents were suddenly arrested in your home town, what would you expect the situation to look like six weeks later?
    I have to amend my comparison here as I was duped by mainstream news coverage. According to DHS, five-sixths of the children currently being sheltered arrived unaccompanied. Their parents were not arrested as they didn't come with them to begin with.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

     

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