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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Excess males
« on: Yesterday at 03:42:36 AM »
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  • So I don't think I have seen this discussed here by many countries have an excess male population due to government policies. China for example had 1 child policy so parents would often slaughter their female offspring until they got a male, India also did something similar but for different reasons, they didn't want to pay dowries...

    Let's get some perspective here


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    Qatar – 266 males per 100 females 
    Driven by a high influx of male migrant workers (88% of the population), primarily from South Asia, Egypt, and the Philippines, working in construction and other industries.

    United Arab Emirates – 228 males per 100 females 
    Similar to Qatar, the UAE’s ratio is skewed by a large male-dominated immigrant workforce (93% of males active in the labor force vs. 55.4% of females).

    Bahrain – 164 males per 100 females 
    High male ratios due to migrant workers in construction and oil industries

    Oman – 157 males per 100 females 
    Rapid infrastructure growth attracts male migrant workers, contributing to a 62.08% male population.

    Kuwait – 156 males per 100 females 
    Immigrants (78% of the workforce) in oil and infrastructure sectors are predominantly male.

    Saudi Arabia – 137 males per 100 females 
    Male-dominated migrant labor in oil and construction, with men making up 60.65% of the population.

    Maldives – 136 males per 100 females 
    Tourism and construction industries draw male immigrants (89% of migrants are male), with a natural birth ratio of 108 boys per 100 girls.

    Bhutan – 112.5 males per 100 females 
    Cultural factors and some male immigration contribute to the imbalance.

    Equatorial Guinea – 112 males per 100 females 
    Male-dominated industries like oil and construction attract workers


    China – 108 males per 100 females 
    Skewed by historical one-child policy (1979-2015), sex-selective abortions, and cultural preference for male children. The ratio is higher at birth (~115 males per 100 females) but balances slightly due to higher male mortality in older age groups.

    India – 107 males per 100 females
    Cultural preference for male children, sex-selective abortions, and higher female mortality rates contribute to the imbalance.

    Global Perspective: The natural sex ratio at birth is ~105 males per 100 females,
    The sex ratio at conception is estimated at ~115 males per 100 females due to slight biases in sperm viability or fertilization success. Male embryos are more likely to be conceived, but they face higher miscarriage rates, reducing the ratio to ~105-107 at birthMales have higher mortality rates at every age due to biological vulnerabilities (e.g., weaker immune responses, higher risk of congenital disorders) and behavioral risks (e.g., accidents, violence). The excess males at birth compensate for this, ensuring a near-balanced adult population.

    For these middle eastern nations their excess males come from MIGRANTS, while China and India it's CULTURE (due to government policy). Currently China and India are having "issues" with their excess men, India is sending them to other nations through government contracts (which is why deals with India always involve accepting India workers/students).

    For China there is an issue that men and women do not want to marry and have children. Chinese President Xi has expressed concerns over China's falling birthrate yet nothing they do seems to fix it. Even temporary boosts quickly come down.

    I will quote some stuff I've seen online (but will censor anything inappropriate) bold is my personal addition


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    It's two entire genders ghosting each other out of the gene pool. Average chinaman life revolves around WeChat, work overtime, and existential nihilism.
    The CCP encouraged this. They told women to delay marriage for degrees. They let urban women chase western degeneracy. Now those same women are aging out and panicking, while the men are watching anime and saving for a waifu pillow.
    And suddenly Xi is whining about "birth rates" but doesn't actually make it economically viable for people to raise children (not just China having these issues)


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    Chinese spent 30 years culling their own daughters.

    Now the girls who survived that culling grew up knowing their holes and womb are premium commodities. Supply and demand kicked in.

    And guess what? The revenge of the slanted vagina arrived. These modern Chinese women don't want your average rice farmer son or some bugman accountant.

    They want GigaChink, a tall, Western educated, rich, metrosɛҳuąƖ man that speaks English, drives a German car, maybe even has foreign blood.

    Everyone else is screwed. Literally. Permanent virgin caste. There's a whole underclass of men who’ll never touch a woman, never reproduce, never pass on their name. It's involuntary celibacy at civilizational scale.

    Picture 40 million sɛҳuąƖly invisible males. No wife. No children. No future. No honor. Just the same grey cubicle, the same rice bowl, and the same porn rationed internet connection until they die alone in a megacity capsule pod.

    And it's poetic justice, in a way. They killed the girls, now the girls are killing them through sɛҳuąƖ selection.

    But bugmen won't rebel.

    It requires balls. And China bred that out centuries ago. Generations of famines, cινιℓ ωαrs, mass purges, and state induced cannibalism didn't just cull the disobedient, it refined compliance. The Maoist meat grinder selected for the most obedient, docile, insect like drones. The average Chinaman today is the descendant of the ones who kept their heads down while their neighbors were executed for reading a book.

    Submission is in their genome. The CCP isn't a government, it's the largest hereditary zookeeping management ant farm in human history. Lel.
    Realistically there is about
    China: ~40 million more males than females (1.4 billion population, ~108 ratio).
    India: ~37 million more males (1.4 billion population, ~107 ratio).

    Combined, these countries account for ~77 million “excess” men, though not all are of dating age.

    Age-Specific Imbalances: The imbalance is most pronounced in younger age groups (0-30 years), where ratios can reach 115:100 (China) or 108:100 (India) at birth, due to selective abortions. In Gulf countries, working-age males (15-64) dominate due to migration.

    Global Estimate: Accounting for age and regional variations, estimates suggest ~50-100 million men globally face a numerical shortage of potential female partners, concentrated in Asia and the Middle East.

    That is actually insane when you think about it, 50-100 MILLION MEN with ZERO possibility of having a female partner, not because they want to become monks, but because there literally isn't enough women on the earth.

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    Historically, when you have tens of millions of low status, unmarried, surplus men a pressure cooker of resentment you either:
    1. Send them to die in wars.
    2. Use them as state tools.
    3. Kill them outright.
    The guy who said this is correct, however there is so many excess men that killing them outright will just not work, wars are ineffective and lowering population unless you cause mass genocide, killing them outright will cause they to rebel. This is most likely why they vaxxed everyone. But that seems like a slow kill and won't fix the immediate issue instead making it worse since the women are also effected as well as the other non excess males.

    If you also consider feminism and hypergamy then the situation of excess males looks much much worse.
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    Apps give women access to a wider pool of high-SES men, raising standards. Men in the bottom 50-80% of attractiveness or status struggle to compete, as women can “date up” more easily. (though this attention is akin to being seen as a toy to play with, which does not mean they are more likely to get married but less likely)

    Feminism’s Role: Feminism has empowered women economically and socially, increasing their independence and selectivity. Women now prioritize education, career, and personal compatibility, often delaying marriage or choosing not to marry. In the U.S., 38% of women aged 25-54 were unpartnered in 2022 (Pew Research), compared to 29% of men, reflecting higher female selectivity.

    In China and India, men need wealth or status to marry, excluding low-SES men. In the West, economic instability (e.g., 40% of young men earning less than women in the U.S., per 2023 data) reduces “eligible” men.

    Cultural Shifts: Women’s higher education (e.g., 60% of U.S. college degrees go to women) and independence mean fewer women “settle,” amplifying competition for high-status men.

    Psychological Impact: X posts and studies highlight rising male loneliness, with incel communities growing online, though exact numbers are hard to quantify.


    Now let's take a look at what has happened in the past when there was an excess of males
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    Historically, societies with significant excess male populations have faced social, economic, and political challenges. Below are patterns observed when sex ratios skewed heavily male, drawn from historical records and demographic studies:

    1. Increased Violence and Crime
    2. Social Instability and Rebellion
    3. Increased Prostitution and Human Trafficking
    4. Economic and Demographic Strain
    5. Migration and External Conflict (MIGRATION???!!!)
    6. Policy Responses


    19th-Century China (Taiping Rebellion, 1850-1864): Sex-selective infanticide and polygamy among elites led to excess males. Unmarried, low-status men (“bare branches”) formed bandit groups and fueled rebellions, contributing to 20-70 million deaths.

    Frontier Societies (e.g., 19th-Century U.S. West, Australia): Male-heavy mining towns (ratios up to 200:100) saw high rates of violence, prostitution, and lawlessness until women arrived, stabilizing communities.

    Nien Rebellion (China, 1851-1868): Excess males, unable to marry due to female infanticide, joined rebel groups, destabilizing the Qing dynasty.

    Medieval Europe (13th-14th Centuries): Surplus men, often younger sons without inheritance, joined mercenary bands or crusades, channeling aggression outward.

    Colonial India (19th Century): British colonial policies and female infanticide led to male surpluses, increasing demand for prostitution and trafficking of women from marginalized communities.

    Gold Rush California (1850s): Male-heavy populations (20:1 in some areas) fueled brothels and trafficking until migration balanced ratios.

    Ancient Rome (1st Century BCE): Male-heavy populations due to war losses and infanticide strained marriage markets, leading to policies like Augustus’ marriage laws to encourage family formation.

    Qing China (18th-19th Centuries): Excess males depressed marriage rates, reducing population growth and economic stability in some regions.

    Viking Era (8th-11th Centuries): Scandinavia’s male surplus, due to polygyny and infanticide, drove young men to raid and settle abroad, spreading Norse influence.

    Colonial Expansion (16th-19th Centuries): European male surpluses fueled exploration and colonization, as young men sought opportunities abroad.

    China (Qing Dynasty): Attempts to ban female infanticide failed, but some regions encouraged female immigration to balance ratios.

    Ancient Rome: Tax incentives and laws promoted marriage to stabilize sex ratios.


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    Mechanism: Unmarried men, lacking family ties, are more prone to risk-taking and aggression. Studies (e.g., Hudson & Den Boer, 2004) link high male ratios to increased violent crime, as men compete for status and resources.

    Modern Parallel: In India, regions with high sex ratios (e.g., Haryana, 120:100) report elevated crime rates, including violence against women, as men face partner shortages. (India is the rape capital of the world

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    Mechanism: Large cohorts of unmarried men, especially low-status, can form disenfranchised groups that challenge social order. This is amplified when economic opportunities are scarce.

    Modern Parallel: In China, “bare branches” (30-40 million men) are a concern for social stability, with potential for unrest if economic growth slows.

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    Mechanism: Partner shortages drive demand for sex work, often exploiting vulnerable women.

    Modern Parallel: In China and India, high sex ratios correlate with increased trafficking and forced marriages, particularly in rural areas (e.g., India’s “bride trafficking” from poorer states).

    4
    Mechanism: Unmarried men contribute less to family-based economies, and low marriage rates can slow population growth, affecting labor and economic systems.

    Modern Parallel: China’s aging population and excess males may strain pension systems, as fewer families form.

    5
    Mechanism: Excess males, unable to find partners or status at home, seek opportunities elsewhere, sometimes through conquest or migration.

    Modern Parallel: Gulf countries manage excess males through temporary migration, but this creates tensions with local populations (e.g., Kuwait’s labor reforms).

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    Modern Parallel: China ended the one-child policy in 2015 to address imbalances, but the sex ratio remains skewed. India promotes campaigns against sex-selective abortions.

    Take a look at this image, you would expect india to be number one but their reported rapes per 100k is 2.6 which is extremely low. That's because in india women who report to the police about getting raped get raped by the police... Note the staggering number of reported rapes in western nations, all due to MIGRANTS (excess males).


    Now there is a few BIG DIFFERENCES between the past and present.

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    Unique Modern Factors:
    Dating Apps: Unlike historical periods, apps amplify hypergamy by giving women global access to high-status men, concentrating competition and leaving lower-status men isolated.

    Feminism: Women’s economic independence reduces marriage pressure, unlike historical societies where marriage was a survival necessity.

    Globalization: Migration (e.g., Gulf states) creates temporary male surpluses, unlike permanent imbalances from infanticide or war. ("temporary" until they demands rights and the jews/freemasons let them stay/take over)


    Potential Outcomes:
    Social Isolation: In Western countries, rising male celibacy (20-30% of young men) fuels online communities like incels, which can breed resentment or extremism (e.g., rare cases like the 2014 Isla Vista shootings).

    Economic Impact: In China and India, unmarried men may reduce economic stability by not forming families, straining social systems.

    Policy Challenges: Governments may need to address imbalances through migration, anti-trafficking measures, or incentives for balanced sex ratios.

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    Conclusion

    Yes, millions of men—likely 50-100 million globally, especially in China, India, and Gulf countries—face a high risk of lifelong celibacy or singlehood due to numerical shortages and social dynamics like hypergamy amplified by dating apps and women’s empowerment. Historically, excess male populations have led to increased violence, social instability, prostitution, trafficking, and migration, often prompting policy interventions. Modern dynamics differ due to technology and cultural shifts, potentially intensifying male isolation but with less violent rebellion so far, though risks like radicalization or economic strain persist.


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    Re: Excess males
    « Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 03:46:30 AM »
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  • Pic related, so 800 women show up to a match making event and not a single man turns up (also similar in western nations). Why is this?

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    800 women showing up to a matchmaking event sounds impressive until you realize they're all fishing for the same top 5% of elite men who have no reason to attend public matchmaking cattle markets.

    Those guys are already swimming in options. And there are not enough elite men for these women.

    Meanwhile, the average guy (the one these events theoretically exist to help) knows exactly what happens if he shows up. He's invisible. Worse, he's publicly humiliated.
    These women aren't looking for a "loser" (average) And if you’re not at the top % then you're not even considered.

    So why show up just to be silently rejected 800 times in a row? It would be soul crushing for any man.
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    "Picture 40 million sɛҳuąƖly invisible males."
    Nope. Way more.
    Hoeflation went out of control and now many women have gotten older and can't find partners. Chinese Chad is wary of being divorce raped for his house and savings. There's no winners.





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    Re: Excess males
    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 03:56:07 AM »
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  • In China, where the one child policy was applied for decades, people regularly aborted female babies. The families that had baby girls, were therefore the more wealthy ones and if she was a single child, the child would be totally spoilt. 

    Considering women tend to marry up rather than down, it makes it very difficult for these women to find husbands, whilst there are millions of men who have no hope of every finding a wife unless he is able to put up with a demanding daughter of wealthy inlaws. I personally would rather stay single. 

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    Re: Excess males
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  • To keep it short and simple.

    There is an excess of 50-100 million men, meaning there ZERO chance for these men to have a companion as there is literally not enough 'supply'.

    Feminism, dating apps and hypergamy have made women much more selective (and not for good traits) meaning there is a large number of men and women who will never have a companion.

    The economy and society is in a terrible state for owning property and raising a family.

    Combined, these things make the situation much worse if it was only one of them

    Historically, excess male populations have led to increased violence, social instability, prostitution, trafficking, and migration

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    Re: Excess males
    « Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 03:58:55 AM »
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  • In China, where the one child policy was applied for decades, people regularly aborted female babies. The families that had baby girls, were therefore the more wealthy ones and if she was a single child, the child would be totally spoilt.

    Considering women tend to marry up rather than down, it makes it very difficult for these women to find husbands, whilst there are millions of men who have no hope of every finding a wife unless he is able to put up with a demanding daughter of wealthy inlaws. I personally would rather stay single.
    Yes it was half mentioned in my posts. Asian women tend to be very materialistic and status driven. These women are also amped up on dating apps and feminisms making their standards much much worse. See my second post on the match making event.


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    Re: Excess males
    « Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 04:46:55 AM »
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  • Cathinfo, is this poster right? For parents, do you notice this behaviour in your children?


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    1- The Hypergamy graph is exaggerated.
    Hypergamy = Women dating at their level or up.
    So no, it's unrealistic to depict a 2/10 woman going for a 8/10 guy.
    The 2/10 female can absolutely date 2's, 3's and 4's, even if she would prefer to date men of a higher level.

    Do they not see they are voting for the exact opposite of what they want
    2- Not really. The vast majority of women are not aware / don't believe in their own Hypergamy. It's just a instinct or a reflex.
    When it comes to social structures :
    - Men naturally organise into hierarchies, mostly based on competence.
    - Women organise themselves into egalitarian groups where the dynamic is being in or out of the group. You're either part of the group or you're an outsider.
    This system is in place to avoid conflict in groups of women. The intra-sex (women on women) competition has to be indirect.
    We men compete openly for status, women compete secretly or indirectly.
    These are well studied phenomena.
    You can observe it when groups of kids play games.
    Young boys will favor games and sports with hierarchies, a team leader and such.
    Little girls will chose to play games where everyone is equal and/or has the same role.
    So it's an innate desire for females to create egalitarian group, while for males it's natural to prefer well defined hierarchies.
    It does correlate to sɛҳuąƖity a bit, because females are the "choosers", as in they run the sɛҳuąƖ Selection of mankind, as in they are the ones who decide who's good enough to reproduce and who isn't.
    sɛҳuąƖ Selection, like Natural Selection, but for sex partners.

    women are dumb
    They're not "dumb", they're different.
    They think differently, have different priorities than men, and have different instinctual behaviors.
    I hope I've proved that with my post.

    Impossible to satisfy
    Only the materialistic ones.
    You need to find a quality woman, that isn't materialistic


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    Re: Excess males
    « Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 07:11:28 AM »
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  • Dating apps are not helping either.  The women have filters on such superficial things such as height.  No one under 6’ tall.  It’s ridiculous.  It gave me an extra layer of sympathy for the single men actually looking for a wife.
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    Re: Excess males
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  • If there are excess males........ Why are these women complaining.. lol 



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    Re: Excess males
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  • Way back when the CCP started their heinous one-child policy enforced via forced abortions and infanticide, pro-life commentators noted that this was a deliberate effort to create a military of angry men. The long-range plans of the CCP were understood because infanticide of girl babies has long been a part of Chinese culture. They built thier plan on that.
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    Re: Excess males
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  • Way back when the CCP started their heinous one-child policy enforced via forced abortions and infanticide, pro-life commentators noted that this was a deliberate effort to create a military of angry men. The long-range plans of the CCP were understood because infanticide of girl babies has long been a part of Chinese culture. They built thier plan on that.
    Oh the red dragon will make it's wave and do the same thing again.

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    Re: Excess males
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  • If there are excess males........ Why are these women complaining.. lol
    Because most men are not good enough for those ladies, and the 'good' men don't want those ladies.