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Offline Belloc

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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2010, 01:52:43 PM »
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    • good points, though they are annoying and I cannot stand the nationalism....
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    « Reply #16 on: February 09, 2010, 01:54:20 PM »
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    Guess from now on, Buchanan is a sacred cow not to be touched....from now on, guess I will only remain silent on his hypocrisy or praise him to the highest heavens, otherwise, I am a bitter Pharisee like CM....

    Pat can from hence forth have 2 differeing opinions and I will pretend he doesn ot.Like his support for torture:

    http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=1524

    and:

    http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=1535


    Can anyone join me in proposing Pat for sainthood, since any criticism of his views and writings=CM Phariseeism?? why wait for him to die to proceed.....we have one miracle already, that he can have 2 differing views and still be beleived, a miracle in itself.....Pat the Great (or else you are a CM-ite bub!)


    Typical traditional Catholic overreaction. You are the only one who seems to be trying to disprove Buchanan's non-existent "infallibility".
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    Offline Belloc

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    « Reply #17 on: February 09, 2010, 02:07:10 PM »
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    Guess from now on, Buchanan is a sacred cow not to be touched....from now on, guess I will only remain silent on his hypocrisy or praise him to the highest heavens, otherwise, I am a bitter Pharisee like CM....

    Pat can from hence forth have 2 differeing opinions and I will pretend he doesn ot.Like his support for torture:

    http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=1524

    and:

    http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=1535


    Can anyone join me in proposing Pat for sainthood, since any criticism of his views and writings=CM Phariseeism?? why wait for him to die to proceed.....we have one miracle already, that he can have 2 differing views and still be beleived, a miracle in itself.....Pat the Great (or else you are a CM-ite bub!)


    Typical traditional Catholic overreaction. You are the only one who seems to be trying to disprove Buchanan's non-existent "infallibility".


    all I was saying is the guy is messed up and wonderd why people do not see it....there is no overaction and non one at all ,ever ,anywehre said he WAS infallible...

    what is this to you anyway?

    please tell us how we should all act with Pat Buchanan.....all I did was post a article I did not wven write...

    you faield to tell use how criticizing Pat is somehow equivalent to Cm, how it is eveil, sinful or anything else...you immediately jumped into this thread and treid to shut down conversation about the article and points with a straw man, that of:

    criticise Past=CM

    again, how should we act with Pat then?? Like Lew Rockwell? day after 2004 election, I emaield Lew and noted to him how Pat plays both sides, chiding GOP, then telling us all to vote GOP or else...Lew's response to me-read the article or dont...but non critical thinking at all taht Pat has 2 different personalitites almost...as for "everyone else", who knows what they think, most have not commented and many are not actively on this forum in last few hours.so, how is that conclusive....you alone seem to obssess over this and jump in to comment.......

    No one, repeat, no one is saying Pat is infallible, but you are not saying it either, but attacking me for criticising Pat..not anyone else, Palin,etc-but only Buchanan...


    rather then try, feebly, to put me in a box nad you and "everyone else" at the opposite end, how about-oh I dont know-trying to discuss the points of the article at hand? not as fun as straw manning me?

    discuss the article and points raised in it, please.....and stop insulting those that are critical of a human beings views, namely Pat's.....Criticising Buchanan is in no way= CM attacking anyone...

    I think that others will see I am not predicting Buchanans damnationnor if he is in cuŠ¼ Benedicito,etc,etc....which is the tactic of CM

    again, stop shooting at the messenger of this article, me and discuss the article..
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    « Reply #18 on: February 09, 2010, 02:11:31 PM »
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    • as for me, this topic is closed....SJB appears to want to impune motives to me, insult me(comparing me to CM) and attack the messenger...never sticsk to the article.....

    typical Trad over-reaction, indeed, to questions about  an idol(Buchanan)
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    « Reply #19 on: February 09, 2010, 02:20:06 PM »
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    as for me, this topic is closed....SJB appears to want to impune motives to me, insult me(comparing me to CM) and attack the messenger...never sticsk to the article.....

    typical Trad over-reaction, indeed, to questions about  an idol(Buchanan)


    I'm impuning motives to you? Read your own words to me, Belloc.
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    « Reply #20 on: February 09, 2010, 02:43:43 PM »
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    • went ahead and hid you for now, it is clear I am a target for posting this, again, Pat rides on unscathed and unchallenged....

    wonder who next I question or criticise will I be compared to CM, maybe Sarah Palin?
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    « Reply #21 on: February 09, 2010, 07:27:42 PM »
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    went ahead and hid you for now, it is clear I am a target for posting this, again, Pat rides on unscathed and unchallenged....

    wonder who next I question or criticise will I be compared to CM, maybe Sarah Palin?


    Funny, I didn't hide you. Now you should understand that I don't care if you are critical of Buchanan or Palin. I don't think they are saviors or anything close to it. I just don't think they are devils. You seem to be of the stripe that can't see anything good in anyone who doesn't hold to your exact principles, whatever those might be.

    I have no problem with somebody arguing that they simply cannot vote when the choices are what they are today. Remember that until society returns to Christian principles, which starts with ourselves, which means personal sanctification, there will be no restoration of any even remotely Christian political order. That does not exclude us from the political process, however, especially on a more local level.
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    « Reply #22 on: February 10, 2010, 12:42:01 AM »
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    Buchanan like bill buckley before him is probably on the cia payroll.


    OK, before everybody ends up hiding each other, can somebody (Belloc, sedetrad, SJB) explain the above statement?

    What does the CIA want with Buchanan or Buckley? Why would Buchanan cooperate with the CIA? Does he really need the money that badly?

    What is the CIA's perspective on our foreign policy? Hawkish? Dovish? What would they want Buchanan to do for them?

    I often hear on trad or conspiracy websites that so-and-so is "on the CIA's payroll." What is the CIA's endgame in all of this?

    I'm corn-fused!
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    « Reply #23 on: February 10, 2010, 05:37:44 AM »
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    • I'd say the CIA is a feint.  It leads to the impression that those who run America are concerned with insular sovereignity when in reality there are no borders -- most world leaders are part of the same gang.  I believe even Ahmadinejad is in the pocket of international Jewry.  

    I don't know about Russia though.  It might be a genuine wild card that refuses to buckle under to the Zionists.  Do Zionists have any control at all of Russia?  Someone may know better than I do.

    Reading all these articles that say Russia is against the "Zionist West" are ringing my alarm bells.  I'm not buying it.  They're probably in the pocket of the Jews as well.
     
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    « Reply #24 on: February 10, 2010, 07:21:50 AM »
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    • Buckley for all accounts was a paid CIA operative and after covert work, was continued to be paid to start is magazine and force the neocon agenda on not just the nation, but Catholics...Buckley was the divider from old Cathoic thought to the rabid neocon thinking we see now in baby boomers and younger....to break up Catholic thought and unity, but subtly...

    Buchanan is not completely like that, but the guy-and not sure why this is so difficult to understand-plays both sides. Attack the GOP, then when it gets even worse and more neocon, call people to supprot it...asll the near idol worship of the man in Conservative and Trad Catholics circles is appalling...they seem to put Pat on a infallible pedastal....
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    « Reply #25 on: February 10, 2010, 07:22:52 AM »
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    • also, recall that Buckley and his brother were members of Skull and Bones...so one wonders there.....a lot of NWO/CIA recruitment going on there...
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    « Reply #26 on: February 10, 2010, 01:41:37 PM »
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    • I really don't think Mr. Buchannon is a spook or bad guy.  

    I also do not believe he wishes to be put on a pedestal.  I think he is a typical DC workaholic who is a good Catholic with an interesting career.

    I would really like to caution people against some of the extremism in Church politics and secular politics.  That mentality has caused horrible results in my extended family and friends.  It's dangerous thinking.

    Not to say there are not truly satanic people moving in these circles, but that I don't think Buchannon is one of them.
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    « Reply #27 on: February 10, 2010, 01:47:17 PM »
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    OK, before everybody ends up hiding each other, can somebody (Belloc, sedetrad, SJB) explain the above statement?


    1. I didn't hide anyone.

    2. Ask sedetrad what he means.
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    « Reply #28 on: February 10, 2010, 02:01:27 PM »
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    • I want to then apologize:
    -apologize for putting an article up that a close friend of his wrote about him
    -sorry I critcized him at all, my critcisms were not of his soul or the fact he likely is indeed a "nice guy"
    -apologize that I attacked the notion that many Catholcis put Pat on a pedastal-no, did not say Pat put Pat that, he did not, but he is qouted as a hero and his words near-Gospel by many Conservativea nd Tra Catholics
    -sorry this burred under SJB bonnet-he does not post and reply this much to most other forums and topics here, so have to beleive he is truly upset...


    Hence for, when Pat shows in his writings and his comments to be 2-faced and hypocritical I pledge to:
    -pretend the hypocrisy did not happen
    -blame myself as the messenger if for some reason, I lose all control of reason and dare mention it.
    -will blame myself anyway for anything Pat does,says,etc.
    -will follow his advice to support Neocon wars, torture and supporting any Republican running for office.
    -will take the reversing of the arguement-ie, that my ciritcisms are somehow my fault and my blame....I will not again address the lack of others addressing the actual article and points raised i said article.

    Now, have I done enough public penance for attacking ____??
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    « Reply #29 on: February 10, 2010, 02:02:52 PM »
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    I really don't think Mr. Buchannon is a spook or bad guy.  

    I also do not believe he wishes to be put on a pedestal.  I think he is a typical DC workaholic who is a good Catholic with an interesting career.

    I would really like to caution people against some of the extremism in Church politics and secular politics.  That mentality has caused horrible results in my extended family and friends.  It's dangerous thinking.

    Not to say there are not truly satanic people moving in these circles, but that I don't think Buchannon is one of them.


    He openly calls for supporting them, same thing, no? Why is he blameless? That is my point, he can play both dies and never gets called on it,ever.......We are supposed to see him as some White Knight

    see my post before this, my posts are out of order, mea culpa....
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