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Re: Elon Musk & Sons Meet Bergolio
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2022, 04:17:14 PM »
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  • Because he likes it, it is not sinful --- Jesus had long hair --- and I don't have an issue with it, any more than I would have an issue with a daughter who wanted a pixie cut, think Audrey Hepburn or Natalie Imbruglia (or St Joan of Arc for that matter”


    …..And the great conservative popes, Gregory XVI, Venerable Pius IX, and Saint Pius X all had short hair.


     If you do a search on Cathinfo, you’ll find a few threads that dealt with this topic.



    Incidentally, "begging the question" --- petitio principii --- is an academic term, used in teaching rhetoric and logic, meaning that one fallaciously assumes the truth of the proposition they are making.  Not to be pedantic, but the idea you are looking for is "the question then is..." or "the question that then begs to be asked and answered". ”


    You’re not being pedantic at all and I do and did understand the meaning of the term. You are correct if I had used the term in the classic sense, but I’m in the habit of using the term in the sense that you assumed above. Frankly, I don’t see any reason why it shouldn’t be used in that way since that string of words obviously conveyed my intention which  you clearly understood.

    What’s interesting, the “academic term” is “begging the question” not “begs the question”. What are your thoughts?



    I did understand, I just hate to see proper terms, with definite meanings, used incorrectly due to common error.  I don't mean you, but I have noticed in the past generation or so, that terminology gets misused --- and again, I don't mean you, don't take this as a personal attack --- by those who are just educated or informed enough to have heard the term, but not educated or informed enough to use it properly. 

    This seems to have come with the greater participation in what passes for "higher education", more simply put, people who have gone to college but aren't what they used to call "college material", a type of sophomorism that comes with having just enough education to be dangerous.  Another such term is "Immaculate Conception".  Prior to the past generation or so, nobody but Catholics ever used that term, and they knew precisely what it meant.  Nowadays, though, they think it means an ostensibly parthenogenetic (i.e., virginal) conception, such that when a woman falls pregnant, some wag who thinks he is funnier than he actually is, will crack wise and say "well, it wasn't an immaculate conception", meaning "someone's the daddy, she didn't get that way all by herself".  Some also conflate IC with the virginal conception (and birth) of Jesus. 

    I'm also reminded of the stultifying experience I had when I worked in a print shop just out of college, preparing ad slicks for a convenience store chain, and the supervisor had created ads with what they call the "greengrocer's apostrophe", such as "banana's" for more than one banana, "apple's" for more than one apple, and so on.  It was my task to proofread her ads, and when I pointed out that an apostrophe doesn't go there, she reared back on her haunches, got all puffed up, and said "plurality denotes possession", or it may have been "possession denotes plurality", or some other nonsense that she'd evidently misheard in Freshman Comp 101 and thought that made her sound like an educated person.  Dumb as a box of rocks.

    More to the point, "begging" versus "begs" is simply a difference in tense, gerund versus verb.  

    So far as I am aware, there is no teaching of the Church that prescribes minimum or maximum hair length for either men or women.  It's a matter of free agency and social conventions, the latter of which do not bind in conscience.  Anything beyond that is just opinion.


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    Re: Elon Musk & Sons Meet Bergolio
    « Reply #16 on: July 03, 2022, 04:40:44 PM »
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  • Those must be the triplets and one other.
    twins aged 17, then triplets aged 16,  born through IVF.


    After losing their firstborn, Musk and Wilson turned to IVF to grow their family. She gave birth to twin sons Griffin and Xavier Musk in April 2004. The boys are now 17.
    In June 2022, Xavier filed a legal request to change their name to Vivian Jenna Wilson, taking the last name of the teen’s mom.
    The filing lists their reason for the name change as “gender identity and the fact that I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form.”
    Kai, Saxon and Damian Musk
    The former couple also used IVF to welcome triplet sons Kai, Saxon and Damian in January 2006. The trio are now 16.
    Musk and Wilson divorced in 2008 and share custody of their five sons.

    X AE A-XII Musk
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    Musk welcomed his youngest son, X, in in 2020.

    After two marriages to “Westworld” star Talulah Riley and a brief relationship with actress Amber Heard, Musk started dating singer Grimes in May 2018. She gave birth to their son, X AE A-XII, in May 2020. X is now 1.
    X was originally named X Æ A-12, but “Æ” and “12” violated California law for not being part of the English alphabet,  ...

    https://pagesix.com/article/elon-musk-children/


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    Re: Elon Musk & Sons Meet Bergolio
    « Reply #17 on: July 03, 2022, 05:50:04 PM »
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  • twins aged 17, then triplets aged 16,  born through IVF.


    After losing their firstborn, Musk and Wilson turned to IVF to grow their family. She gave birth to twin sons Griffin and Xavier Musk in April 2004. The boys are now 17.
    In June 2022, Xavier filed a legal request to change their name to Vivian Jenna Wilson, taking the last name of the teen’s mom.
    The filing lists their reason for the name change as “gender identity and the fact that I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form.”
    Kai, Saxon and Damian Musk
    The former couple also used IVF to welcome triplet sons Kai, Saxon and Damian in January 2006. The trio are now 16.
    Musk and Wilson divorced in 2008 and share custody of their five sons.

    X AE A-XII Musk
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    Musk welcomed his youngest son, X, in in 2020.

    After two marriages to “Westworld” star Talulah Riley and a brief relationship with actress Amber Heard, Musk started dating singer Grimes in May 2018. She gave birth to their son, X AE A-XII, in May 2020. X is now 1.
    X was originally named X Æ A-12, but “Æ” and “12” violated California law for not being part of the English alphabet,  ...

    https://pagesix.com/article/elon-musk-children/


    Elon's a real piece of work. 

    As for the children, they can't help how they were conceived.

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    Re: Elon Musk & Sons Meet Bergolio
    « Reply #18 on: July 03, 2022, 06:48:52 PM »
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  • I did understand, I just hate to see proper terms, with definite meanings, used incorrectly due to common error.  I don't mean you, but I have noticed in the past generation or so, that terminology gets misused --- and again, I don't mean you, don't take this as a personal attack --- by those who are just educated or informed enough to have heard the term, but not educated or informed enough to use it properly. 

    This seems to have come with the greater participation in what passes for "higher education", more simply put, people who have gone to college but aren't what they used to call "college material", a type of sophomorism that comes with having just enough education to be dangerous.  Another such term is "Immaculate Conception".  Prior to the past generation or so, nobody but Catholics ever used that term, and they knew precisely what it meant.  Nowadays, though, they think it means an ostensibly parthenogenetic (i.e., virginal) conception, such that when a woman falls pregnant, some wag who thinks he is funnier than he actually is, will crack wise and say "well, it wasn't an immaculate conception", meaning "someone's the daddy, she didn't get that way all by herself".  Some also conflate IC with the virginal conception (and birth) of Jesus. 

    I'm also reminded of the stultifying experience I had when I worked in a print shop just out of college, preparing ad slicks for a convenience store chain, and the supervisor had created ads with what they call the "greengrocer's apostrophe", such as "banana's" for more than one banana, "apple's" for more than one apple, and so on.  It was my task to proofread her ads, and when I pointed out that an apostrophe doesn't go there, she reared back on her haunches, got all puffed up, and said "plurality denotes possession", or it may have been "possession denotes plurality", or some other nonsense that she'd evidently misheard in Freshman Comp 101 and thought that made her sound like an educated person.  Dumb as a box of rocks.

    More to the point, "begging" versus "begs" is simply a difference in tense, gerund versus verb. 

    So far as I am aware, there is no teaching of the Church that prescribes minimum or maximum hair length for either men or women.  It's a matter of free agency and social conventions, the latter of which do not bind in conscience.  Anything beyond that is just opinion.

    Thanks for the information, Simple. I agree that the meaning of terms (or words) should not change with the passage of time. Thank you for the correction.

    As for the issue of long hair, most conservative minded people and especially most traditional Catholics associate males with long hair with liberalism. It’s true. You can’t argue with the fact that the vast majority of men with long hair have, at the very least, liberal tendencies. Knowing this, why would any conservative minded male, let alone a traditional Catholic, want to adorn themselves with long hair?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Elon Musk & Sons Meet Bergolio
    « Reply #19 on: July 03, 2022, 06:56:11 PM »
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  • Thanks for the information, Simple. I agree that the meaning of terms (or words) should not change with the passage of time. Thank you for the correction.

    As for the issue of long hair, most conservative minded people and especially most traditional Catholics associate males with long hair with liberalism. It’s true. You can’t argue with the fact that the vast majority of men with long hair have, at the very least, liberal tendencies. Knowing this, why would any conservative minded male, let alone a traditional Catholic, want to adorn themselves with long hair?

    As for my son, he just likes it, and has no ideological reason for it.  Also, when he came out of Newchurch school, he was ecstatic to be freed from uniform rules and their dress code, which also mandated reasonably short hair for boys.  In a way he's celebrating his emancipation from that system.  I have had to do major damage repair to show him that his education there was seriously deficient, most of all WRT religion --- they taught Vatican II pablum from the Sadlier texts --- but also, in a larger sense, to instill the classical virtues of the good, the true, and the beautiful.  They never got that deep.  They spent all their time on little piecemeal projects and things of very low educational value.  Some of our Grade 9 courses have been basically university courses adapted only slightly.


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    Re: Elon Musk & Sons Meet Bergolio
    « Reply #20 on: July 03, 2022, 07:29:16 PM »
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  • twins aged 17, then triplets aged 16,  born through IVF.


    After losing their firstborn, Musk and Wilson turned to IVF to grow their family. She gave birth to twin sons Griffin and Xavier Musk in April 2004. The boys are now 17.
    In June 2022, Xavier filed a legal request to change their name to Vivian Jenna Wilson, taking the last name of the teen’s mom.
    The filing lists their reason for the name change as “gender identity and the fact that I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form.”
    Kai, Saxon and Damian Musk
    The former couple also used IVF to welcome triplet sons Kai, Saxon and Damian in January 2006. The trio are now 16.
    Musk and Wilson divorced in 2008 and share custody of their five sons.

    X AE A-XII Musk
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    Musk welcomed his youngest son, X, in in 2020.

    After two marriages to “Westworld” star Talulah Riley and a brief relationship with actress Amber Heard, Musk started dating singer Grimes in May 2018. She gave birth to their son, X AE A-XII, in May 2020. X is now 1.
    X was originally named X Æ A-12, but “Æ” and “12” violated California law for not being part of the English alphabet,  ...

    https://pagesix.com/article/elon-musk-children/

    Can someone translate this into English for me, please?

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    Re: Elon Musk & Sons Meet Bergolio
    « Reply #21 on: July 03, 2022, 07:50:57 PM »
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  • Can someone translate this into English for me, please?
    It means that the poor child’s parents are totally screwed up.

    Can any one fathom why a woman would go for a second round of IVF, when the first round produced twins approximately one year old? I mean you can not accidentally beget through IVF.
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    Re: Elon Musk & Sons Meet Bergolio
    « Reply #22 on: July 03, 2022, 08:10:39 PM »
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  • It means that the poor child’s parents are totally screwed up.

    Can any one fathom why a woman would go for a second round of IVF, when the first round produced twins approximately one year old? I mean you can not accidentally beget through IVF.

    Evidently she just wanted more children.

    Not defending IVF, just stating the probable scenario.  It does, however, beggar credulity as to why a woman would deliberately wish to carry triplets.  

    I can only hope that there were no extra embryos that were destroyed, but that is usual IVF practice.  

    Totally brutal and a practice that needs to extirpated from the face of the earth.  If you cannot conceive children naturally, then it is God's Will that you not have children.  Full stop.


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    Re: Elon Musk & Sons Meet Bergolio
    « Reply #23 on: July 03, 2022, 08:14:45 PM »
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  • In June 2022, Xavier filed a legal request to change their name to Vivian Jenna Wilson, taking the last name of the teen’s mom.
    The filing lists their reason for the name change as “gender identity and the fact that I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form.”

    Except, I guess, when he can get a free trip to Italy...

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    Re: Elon Musk & Sons Meet Bergolio
    « Reply #24 on: July 03, 2022, 08:39:40 PM »
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  • twins aged 17, then triplets aged 16,  born through IVF.


    After losing their firstborn, Musk and Wilson turned to IVF to grow their family. She gave birth to twin sons Griffin and Xavier Musk in April 2004. The boys are now 17.
    In June 2022, Xavier filed a legal request to change their name to Vivian Jenna Wilson, taking the last name of the teen’s mom.
    The filing lists their reason for the name change as “gender identity and the fact that I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form.”
    Kai, Saxon and Damian Musk
    The former couple also used IVF to welcome triplet sons Kai, Saxon and Damian in January 2006. The trio are now 16.
    Musk and Wilson divorced in 2008 and share custody of their five sons.

    X AE A-XII Musk
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    Musk welcomed his youngest son, X, in in 2020.

    After two marriages to “Westworld” star Talulah Riley and a brief relationship with actress Amber Heard, Musk started dating singer Grimes in May 2018. She gave birth to their son, X AE A-XII, in May 2020. X is now 1.
    X was originally named X Æ A-12, but “Æ” and “12” violated California law for not being part of the English alphabet,  ...

    https://pagesix.com/article/elon-musk-children/

    As I said, the triplets and one other.

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    Re: Elon Musk & Sons Meet Bergolio
    « Reply #25 on: July 03, 2022, 08:47:39 PM »
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  • twins aged 17, then triplets aged 16,  born through IVF.


    After losing their firstborn, Musk and Wilson turned to IVF to grow their family. She gave birth to twin sons Griffin and Xavier Musk in April 2004. The boys are now 17.
    In June 2022, Xavier filed a legal request to change their name to Vivian Jenna Wilson, taking the last name of the teen’s mom.
    The filing lists their reason for the name change as “gender identity and the fact that I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form.”
    Kai, Saxon and Damian Musk
    The former couple also used IVF to welcome triplet sons Kai, Saxon and Damian in January 2006. The trio are now 16.
    Musk and Wilson divorced in 2008 and share custody of their five sons.

    X AE A-XII Musk
    Enlarge Image
    Musk welcomed his youngest son, X, in in 2020.

    After two marriages to “Westworld” star Talulah Riley and a brief relationship with actress Amber Heard, Musk started dating singer Grimes in May 2018. She gave birth to their son, X AE A-XII, in May 2020. X is now 1.
    X was originally named X Æ A-12, but “Æ” and “12” violated California law for not being part of the English alphabet,  ...

    https://pagesix.com/article/elon-musk-children/

    Elon Musk has 8 children:

    Nevada Alexander 
    born in 2002, died at just 10 weeks old of sudden infant death syndrome.

    Twins - Griffin and Xavier  born 2004

    Triplets - Kai, Saxon and Damian  born 2006

    X Æ A-Xii (whom he calls "x") born 2020

    Exa Dark Sideræl (whom he calls "y") born 2022


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    Re: Elon Musk & Sons Meet Bergolio
    « Reply #26 on: July 03, 2022, 08:50:35 PM »
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  • Can someone translate this into English for me, please?
    He's got 8 kids from 3 different women.  One died.

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    Re: Elon Musk & Sons Meet Bergolio
    « Reply #27 on: July 03, 2022, 08:52:57 PM »
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  • It means that the poor child’s parents are totally screwed up.

    Can any one fathom why a woman would go for a second round of IVF, when the first round produced twins approximately one year old? I mean you can not accidentally beget through IVF.
    "The poor child's parents"....  singular "child".  Hmmm...

    I am sure she is not doing badly financially, with child support for 5 kids from the richest man in the world.

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    Re: Elon Musk & Sons Meet Bergolio
    « Reply #28 on: July 03, 2022, 08:55:41 PM »
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  •   It does, however, beggar credulity as to why a woman would deliberately wish to carry triplets. 
    This sounds exceptionally liberal to me.  

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    Re: Elon Musk & Sons Meet Bergolio
    « Reply #29 on: July 03, 2022, 08:57:14 PM »
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  • Except, I guess, when he can get a free trip to Italy...
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    Funny how that works.
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