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Offline Geremia

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Re: Election Countdown
« Reply #180 on: October 27, 2024, 05:14:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: M1913 on October 26, 2024, 11:19:24 PM
    I have seen many anti-Catholic posts recently, but this one truly tops them all.
    Have I spoken heresy? What's anti-Catholic about it?
    Also, we answer to God at the Last Judgement, not to aborted babies.
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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #181 on: October 27, 2024, 05:36:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: MarkM on October 27, 2024, 07:17:44 AM
    "I did everything humanly possible and moved heaven and earth to save as many of your lives as possible".

    Wow, narcissist much?  I didn't notice any movement of heaven or earth from your efforts.  I've long suspected as much, that your moral system has been corrupted by some form of narcissism, and this proves it right here.  See, a person with even a modicuм of humility would have answered, "I did what I thought I could to save you, and I'm sorry I didn't do more."  Not only could you have done more, we all could have, and most of us would answer this question in fear and trembling realizing we could have done much more ... but you somehow have this delusion of grandeur that you've moving heaven and earth?  That's all I need to know about you.

    In point of fact, if your actions are immoral and sinful, you've offended Heaven (God).  What part of the fact that Catholics cannot commit a sin even to save lives doesn't compute to your feeble intellect?  All you constantly babble about is the numbers saved, a merely utilitarian non-Catholic moral system.  This thinking here typifies the damage and scandal of the Trad clergy spreading around "lesser evil" as if it were some legitimate principles ... inculcating false utilitarian moral relativism in Catholics.

    When you commit sin, you're part of the problem, not part of the solution ... and are actually contributing to the loss and destruction of their lives.

    At no point have you tried to explain by the application of Catholic principles that voting for Trump is not sin.  You keep babbling on about some perceived net sum gain in lives saved, i.e. the end ... as if this end justifies the means.  You are dead wrong on every issue you've posted about here on CI.
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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #182 on: October 27, 2024, 06:35:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: MarkM on October 27, 2024, 07:17:44 AM
    Yes, I will be able to say, "I did everything humanly possible and moved heaven and earth to save as many of your lives as possible". What will you be able to say, "Taught by Ladislaus and co, we believe it was somehow a "virtue" to sit around doing nothing instead of saving as many babies' lives as possible". Yeah, we'll see which one God/the children approve of on the Day of Judgment, but I'm confident it won't be the latter.
    Our Lady at Fatima said " many souls go to hell because there is no one to pray and do penance for them."  She did not say many souls go to hell because no voted for the lesser of two evils presented to them by the Masonic kabbalah. 
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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #183 on: October 27, 2024, 09:07:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Michelle on October 27, 2024, 06:35:50 PM
    Our Lady at Fatima said " many souls go to hell because there is no one to pray and do penance for them."  She did not say many souls go to hell because no voted for the lesser of two evils presented to them by the Masonic kabbalah.

    Than for crying out loud stop posting and go pray and do penance for them... but no, you post like you are on some crusade and for what purpose? You think it's doomed no matter who wins so why bother? What is that? hαɾɾιs and her team know they aren't having Pro-Life Christians voting for them, so obviously the next best thing is to sabotage their opposition... rest assured they thank you for your work here, so whose side are you on?... because it's all pointless according to your own logic so what is this?

    Why don't you pray and do penance and let those who think they can make a difference at least try? Why the sabotaging in light of the alternative?

    My passion makes sense because I know it will make a difference and yet people who are supposed to be on the same side as myself are doing nothing but sabotage when they think it's already doomed no matter who wins anyway... what is that?

    "For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #184 on: October 27, 2024, 09:54:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: josh987654321 on October 27, 2024, 09:07:24 PM
    Than for crying out loud stop posting and go pray and do penance for them... but no, you post like you are on some crusade and for what purpose? You think it's doomed no matter who wins so why bother? What is that? hαɾɾιs and her team know they aren't having Pro-Life Christians voting for them, so obviously the next best thing is to sabotage their opposition... rest assured they thank you for your work here, so whose side are you on?... because it's all pointless according to your own logic so what is this?

    Why don't you pray and do penance and let those who think they can make a difference at least try? Why the sabotaging in light of the alternative?

    My passion makes sense because I know it will make a difference and yet people who are supposed to be on the same side as myself are doing nothing but sabotage when they think it's already doomed no matter who wins anyway... what is that?

    "For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
    I never said we are doomed no matter what.  Those are your words not mine.  You are seriously misguided and I'm beginning to wonder if you are even Catholic?  You have your hopes in a wicked man who works against Christ the King!  And at the same time you think Our Lord wants us to promote evil to prevent evil?  This is not Catholic thinking.  And yes, I am on a Crusade!  I am part of the church militant and will defend Our Lord, His truth and I believe the Queen of Heaven when she instructs us how to fight this war!!
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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #185 on: October 27, 2024, 10:10:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Michelle on October 27, 2024, 09:54:09 PM
    I never said we are doomed no matter what.  Those are your words not mine.  You are seriously misguided and I'm beginning to wonder if you are even Catholic?  You have your hopes in a wicked man who works against Christ the King!  And at the same time you think Our Lord wants us to promote evil to prevent evil?  This is not Catholic thinking.  And yes, I am on a Crusade!  I am part of the church militant and will defend Our Lord, His truth and I believe the Queen of Heaven when she instructs us how to fight this war!!

    Like I said, you already got what you wanted in 2020... What's the definition of insanity?

    You are not defending Our Lord, you a condemning Constantine the Great because he isn't baptized yet, has flaws and was a pagan (arguably still was having not been baptized yet) but you know what, you may indeed get exactly what you want, because the Diocletian Persecutions also gave the early Christians some clarity (I just wish you would learn before going through all that, as with Nuclear Weapons it will be something you have never seen before and the living will envy the dead)... so when Constantine the Great came along flawed as he may have been and then marched under the Chi-Rho, they thankfully did not spurn such an important lifeline, especially in light of the alternative of Maxentius and Licinius.

    Even Constantine the Great's father Constantius Chlorus enforced the Dicoletian Persecutions as mildly as possible in his portion of the empire... condemn that lifeline in light of the alternative also? With your thinking it would all be over before it even began.

    "For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."



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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #186 on: October 27, 2024, 10:54:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 27, 2024, 05:36:21 PM
    "I did what I thought I could to save you, and I'm sorry I didn't do more." ...

    In point of fact, if your actions are immoral and sinful, you've offended Heaven (God).  What part of the fact that Catholics cannot commit a sin even to save lives doesn't compute to your feeble intellect?  All you constantly babble about is the numbers saved, a merely utilitarian non-Catholic moral system.  This thinking here typifies the damage and scandal of the Trad clergy spreading around "lesser evil" as if it were some legitimate principles ... inculcating false utilitarian moral relativism in Catholics.

    When you commit sin, you're part of the problem, not part of the solution ... and are actually contributing to the loss and destruction of their lives.

    At no point have you tried to explain by the application of Catholic principles that voting for Trump is not sin.  You keep babbling on about some perceived net sum gain in lives saved, i.e. the end ... as if this end justifies the means.  You are dead wrong on every issue you've posted about here on CI.
    Could I and could we all have done more? Sure. But doing nothing is not doing more. I am 100% sure God will not approve the lazy defeatism of doing nothing while millions of children are killed each year. We will see on judgment day.

    And get it into your thick skull that +Vigano, 99% of the trad clergy and numerous posters including myself have already explained that voting for Trump based on double effect is not a sin but is even morally good.

    Your wilful blindness is not going to change this, and your absurd idea is to do nothing and hope the situation somehow changes on its own. Yeah, that's not how this works, and that donothingism is the real sin here.

    We will review in 2028. You believe the entire Church has defected, with the exception of +Vigano until recently. Now, according to you, even his advise/guidance is "mortally sinful", which shows how ridiculous your position is.
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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #187 on: October 27, 2024, 10:54:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: josh987654321 on October 27, 2024, 10:10:55 PM
    Like I said, you already got what you wanted in 2020... What's the definition of insanity?

    You are not defending Our Lord, you a condemning Constantine the Great because he isn't baptized yet, has flaws and was a pagan (arguably still was having not been baptized yet) but you know what, you may indeed get exactly what you want, because the Diocletian Persecutions also gave the early Christians some clarity (I just wish you would learn before going through all that, as with Nuclear Weapons it will be something you have never seen before and the living will envy the dead)... so when Constantine the Great came along flawed as he may have been and then marched under the Chi-Rho, they thankfully did not spurn such an important lifeline, especially in light of the alternative of Maxentius and Licinius.

    Even Constantine the Great's father Constantius Chlorus enforced the Dicoletian Persecutions as mildly as possible in his portion of the empire... condemn that lifeline in light of the alternative also? With your thinking it would all be over before it even began.

    "For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
    I got what I wanted in 2020?  What are you talking about?  You're a troll.  
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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #188 on: October 27, 2024, 11:04:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Michelle on October 27, 2024, 10:54:21 PM
    I got what I wanted in 2020?  What are you talking about?

    Did you vote in 2020?... if not, then you got what you wanted (Pro-Life Christians not voting) and the results were obvious, I mean, what did you achieve with such a strategy in 2020? Like I said, it's already been tried. Trump may have been behind operation Warp Speed but censorship reigned supreme at that time (thank you Elon Musk for buying Twitter in 2022) and Trump would not have mandated the jabs as Biden/hαɾɾιs did in gross violation of the Nuremburg Code and that is not a small thing, also RFK Jr and many others are on Trumps team now... so if you spurn this important lifeline flawed as it may be, then it's no different to rejecting Constantine the Great in light of the alternative of Maxentius and Licinius which thankfully the early Christians did not do.

    "For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."

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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #189 on: October 27, 2024, 11:49:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: josh987654321 on October 27, 2024, 11:04:34 PM
    Did you vote in 2020?... if not, then you got what you wanted (Pro-Life Christians not voting) and the results were obvious, I mean, what did you achieve with such a strategy in 2020? Like I said, it's already been tried. Trump may have been behind operation Warp Speed but censorship reigned supreme at that time (thank you Elon Musk for buying Twitter in 2022) and Trump would not have mandated the jabs as Biden/hαɾɾιs did in gross violation of the Nuremburg Code and that is not a small thing, also RFK Jr and many others are on Trumps team now... so if you spurn this important lifeline flawed as it may be, then it's no different to rejecting Constantine the Great in light of the alternative of Maxentius and Licinius which thankfully the early Christians did not do.

    "For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
    Our Lady of Fatima told us to wear the scapular and pray the rosary, she didn’t ask us to vote for abortion in 2024.
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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #190 on: October 28, 2024, 12:11:35 AM »
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    • "When there’s no chance of getting a perfect candidate …
    Is it good or moral to vote for the lesser of two evils? Wouldn’t it be better simply to an abstain from voting?
    Fr Dave Nix turns to pre pre-Vatican II theologians for answers.
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    [Fr. Dave Nix 27 Oct] Two Pre-Vatican II theologians on voting:

    Tanquerey (traditional moral theologian):

    If the vote is between two evil persons, one may vote for the less evil and most profitable to the cause of good.  (Tomus Tertius, De Variis Statuum Obligationibus, Caput I, De officiis laicorum, n. 999).  Prummer concurs.

    Merkelbach (traditional moral theologian):

    When given a choice between two candidates who aren’t perfect, it is licit to elect the better candidate to prevent a more unworthy candidate from coming into power if there is no hope that a perfect candidate will be elected. 

    “Voters who, through grave fault by abstaining from voting do not stop an evil decision, election, or law from coming to pass, if they are bound by a specific duty to stop a foreseen harm which follows, are cooperators in evil.” (Summa Theologiae Moralis, Tomus Secundus, Tractatus De Virtute Cardinali Justitiae, Tertia Pars, Sectio A, De Justitia Commutativa, n. 316)"

    https://x.com/JosiahMarti76/status/1850763811638157335 Catholics will go by what pre-Vatican II moral theology books clearly say.
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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #191 on: October 28, 2024, 12:19:24 AM »
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    • Elon Musk: "A clean sweep is possible if we fight hard for votes every day.

    @America
     will post daily stats of 2024 swing state early votes compared to 2020." https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1850729831865942130
     
    Retweeted: BREAKING: Donald Trump winning in all the swing states as per betting markets.






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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #192 on: October 28, 2024, 12:37:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: MarkM on October 28, 2024, 12:19:24 AM
    Elon Musk: "A clean sweep is possible if we fight hard for votes every day.

    Careful with this though... Moldova they were winning and at the last minute 'overseas' aka mail in ballots swung the election (clearly they cheated, reports of less than 1000 voters magically turning into 4000 etc) and even in Georgia (The Country) recently, even if you win they will claim Russian Interference and that it was rigged (Just as they tried to do with Trump in 2016).

    So remember, just like salvation, don't presume and don't despair, the devil gets you both of those ways.

    Furthermore, we know they are cheating, you also have the X platform now thanks to Elon Musk, something you didn't have in 2020, everyone has a phone with a camera on it and there are others with hidden camera technology etc, start setting the taps and gathering the evidence, then sharing it widely on the X platform. If the evidence and proof is shared widely enough and you get critical mass then it doesn't matter what the courts do because it simply cannot be ignored.

    Just as when the USSR was collapsing, the KGB (gang of eight) tried to force Gorbachev's hand and then rolled tanks into Moscow... but it was in broad daylight and obvious to all so they didn't have critical mass and thus failed. It's the same here, with what's at stake given with Ukraine and WWIII etc, they are not going down easily... but just like a hacker in a video game, so long as they don't have 'God mode' (and these people most certainly don't have God mode) they can be beaten, these are the same people who devote a whole month to 'pride' the key ingredient to anyone's downfall, so far from discouragement... this is encouraging.

    Good luck America, I'm counting on you, bring it home.

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."

    God Bless
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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #193 on: October 28, 2024, 12:38:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: MarkM on October 27, 2024, 10:54:04 PM
    …I am 100% sure …

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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #194 on: October 28, 2024, 12:43:46 AM »
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