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Offline 2Vermont

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Re: Election Countdown
« Reply #165 on: October 26, 2024, 12:03:55 PM »
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  • Trump's 3 hour excellent conversation with Joe Rogan is being widely praised on X. Some have changed their minds and are now voting for Trump because of it. Trump has many skills in negotiations, avoiding wars etc as his first term showed. Trump prevented Putin from going into Ukraine while still having a good relation with him. Let's see how it goes:

    "just finished watching Trump’s interview with Joe Rogan. here are my thoughts: -Trump really does have incredible business sense. his negotiating skills with foreign governments are unmatched. -use of tariffs instead of boots on the ground is a wonderful way to beat our enemies" https://x.com/courtneyknill/status/1850037474455683110
    Do you have a link to the Rogan interview?

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #166 on: October 26, 2024, 12:06:18 PM »
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  • You keep mendaciously engaging in the fallacy that we're voting for the 2016 or even 2020 election.  It's 2024.

    Trump has pretty much vowed that he'll do nothing more to advance the cause of Pro Life, resting complacent on Dobbs ... just as you're moronically doing.

    Trump has backtracked and now enthusiastically supports 94% of abortion scenarios (abortion pill, abortions < 16 weeks, various "exceptions"), but will also fund more abortions with tax money with IVF.  He has vowed to veto any federal ban on abortion and that women's "reproductive rights" will be protected by him.  That's to say nothing of his enthusiastic support for sodomy.

    Since Trump has promoted to do nothing to advance the cause of Pro Life, this no longer can factor in to the proportionality analysis under double effect.

    Then you factor in his support of any genocided the Jews fancy to undertake ... which is also a life issue for the idiots unaware of it ... and Trump fails the double effect test quite miserably.

    Through 2016 and even (to a lesser extent) 2020, I was on the fence about whether voting for him could be justified under double effect.  This was before he backtracked from being Pro Life into effectively running as a Pro Abortion candidate in 2024, hoping that he'll be able to fool the majority of morons (such as yourself) out there who consider him a Pro Life candidate based upon the past.

    This is 2024.


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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #167 on: October 26, 2024, 12:06:33 PM »
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  • Do you have a link to the Rogan interview?
    Sure 2V. Pls see: https://youtu.be/hBMoPUAeLnY

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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #168 on: October 26, 2024, 12:07:49 PM »
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  • Ladislaus, your lies are hardly even worth addressing at this point. I wonder if I should even bother. Probably for others reading, I should. But later.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #169 on: October 26, 2024, 12:30:29 PM »
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  • Ladislaus, your lies are hardly even worth addressing at this point. I wonder if I should even bother. Probably for others reading, I should. But later.

    Right ... because you can't refute any of the points I'm making, the last one being that 2016 and 2020 have nothing to do with 2024, since things have changed ... with Trump having made huge backtracks on the Pro Life issue, to the point of enthusiastically supporting and vowing to "protect" 94% of all abortions, and then being in support of the Jєωιѕн genocide.  Those differences in 2024 (vs. 2016 and 2020) absolutely matter in terms of the analysis from "double effect".  In effect, Trump has promised to do absolutely nothing to advance the cause of Pro Life, rendering that particular "good" effect of his candidacy negligible.  In addition, since the Gaza genocide started up, we see Trump enthusiastically backing that slaughter ... thereby concretely manifesting an implication of his being completely under Jєωιѕн control.  While in 2016 and 2020, we considered that in the analysis, it was easier to minimize it in the consideration of double effect, since it didn't really manifested itself as dramatically as it has in the last year or two due to the Gaza genocide.


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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #170 on: October 26, 2024, 12:42:13 PM »
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  • You were proven wrong in 2020 by 2024 (2022 in fact) and (probably in 2016 as well with your warmongering, "tRuMPsgoNnasTaRtWW3"?) and you'll be proven wrong about 2024 in 2028. How absurd and ridiculous and contradicting your own claims on other threads that a man's past record doesn't matter when it comes to assessing his future performance. Try saying that in a job interview and the interviewers will laugh at you. Of course your past record, your CV, matters. So too President Trump's record matters. 

    His 3 pro life appointments led to Roe v Wade being overturned. Pence and others who were more pro life than him (and he is still sufficiently pro life, attacking hαɾɾιs for supporting late term abortions in a recent thread I posted) did sufficient work behind the scenes to gain for us many significant pro life victories, and Vance and others like Leonard Leo I mentioned (and whom you probably have not heard of, nor want to hear of, remaining culpably ignorant after being informed) whom Trump empowered last time and will do so again are very pro life and his will be an overall pro life administration. I also mentioned RFK being open to a federal abortion ban.

    You will keep doing this until the election and, even in 2028, give some excuse for why you were wrong. I don't have much hope that you will change, because I don't see the requisite humility in you. But, maybe you'd surprise me. We'll see. Double effect more than justifies voting for Trump in light of these positive effects and as +Vigano says it arguably even makes it obligatory, because neutrality in times of crisis is not good.

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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #171 on: October 26, 2024, 06:54:25 PM »
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  • At the Day of Judgment, when these unborn children are resurrected and stand before us, will you say, ‘Sorry, I voted for Trump,’ or will you be able to say you stood with Christ and His Church?

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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #172 on: October 26, 2024, 07:36:40 PM »
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  • Truly odd: For the first time in ages, neither the LA Times nor the Washington Post is going on record with a presidential endorsement. Hmmm. :confused:
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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #173 on: October 26, 2024, 09:21:28 PM »
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  • Do you have a link to the Rogan interview?



    I have to say it: the MSM is becoming irrelevant, like physical CDs, fax machines, cable TV, land line phones, and phone books.
    I know nothing and care nothing about Joe Rogan but man! currently at 22.5 million views in just 1 day.
    Move over, Dan Rather -- this is the age of the Youtuber.

    I'm excited and happy at the prospect of DEMOCRATIZATION of media reach -- basically the destruction of the monopoly that the MSM has had for years. Yes, that's a good thing.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #174 on: October 26, 2024, 09:36:34 PM »
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  • I'm excited and happy at the prospect of DEMOCRATIZATION of media reach -- basically the destruction of the monopoly that the MSM has had for years. Yes, that's a good thing.

    Well, only practically speaking I hope.  In a Catholic country, "free speech" that taught error contrary to the faith would be censored and only those who have the approval of their bishops would be allowed to spread their thoughts via media.  We would have every Tom, Dick, and Harry layman setting up grifting operations.

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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #175 on: October 26, 2024, 09:38:23 PM »
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  • You were proven wrong in 2020 ...

    You keep repeating this debunked lie as if you were some moron who can't read English and understand what I said.


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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #176 on: October 26, 2024, 09:46:47 PM »
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  • I liken Dobbs to Ratzinger's Motu, a sleight of hand to make it APPEAR as though he was a Traditionalist, so that many Trad types would get sucked into his dialectic, which Ganswein later admitted was intended to such them back into the Conciliar Church.

    I guess you will never know... Of course Ganswein would say and intend that, he betrayed Pope Benedict XVI too, so Pope Benedict XVI was surrounded on all sides making his usurpation easy... now there is the usurper Bergoglio... but just like Vatican II, just like the Vendee, any second your gonna turn it all around? Another 50 years? Another 100 years? How long until you examine yourself? 

    Furthermore, just like you blindly condemn Trump in light of the alternative... you already got what you wanted and it's already been tried in 2020, how'd you go? Trump may have taken the jab but he did not mandate people do so in gross violation of the Nuremburg Code as Biden/Hαɾɾιs did... Somehow you think by dividing forces and losing more and more ground over time somehow things will get better and you'll turn it all around?... What's the definition of insanity again?

    As Yuri Bezmenov once said, remember that subversion is a two way street... The very thing that makes your downfall possible, also makes their downfall possible, you allow them to use it against you with impunity and you do nothing to return fire even sabotaging those who try.

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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #177 on: October 26, 2024, 10:43:36 PM »
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  • At the Day of Judgment, when these unborn children are resurrected and stand before us, will you say, ‘Sorry, I voted for Trump,’ or will you be able to say you stood with Christ and His Church?
    Considering all (or only some, if they can miraculously receive baptism of desire or blood) of them will be destined to hell (limbo), why would you care what they think?
    Abortion is spiritual death for the mother, father, and others involved, and we can hope they've converted before the judgement.
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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #178 on: October 26, 2024, 11:19:24 PM »
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  • Considering all (or only some, if they can miraculously receive baptism of desire or blood) of them will be destined to hell (limbo), why would you care what they think?
    Abortion is spiritual death for the mother, father, and others involved, and we can hope they've converted before the judgement.
    Your response ignores the enormity of this offense against God and His creation. It is disgusting to speak so dismissively of these innocent souls, each willed and created by God, as though their eternal fate absolves us of our duty to defend them. At the Day of Judgment, we will answer not only for what we did but for what we condoned. Supporting those who enable the slaughter of innocents is a betrayal of Christ Himself: “And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me” 

    I have seen many anti-Catholic posts recently, but this one truly tops them all.

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    Re: Election Countdown
    « Reply #179 on: October 27, 2024, 07:17:44 AM »
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  • At the Day of Judgment, when these unborn children are resurrected and stand before us, will you say, ‘Sorry, I voted for Trump,’ or will you be able to say you stood with Christ and His Church?
    Yes, I will be able to say, "I did everything humanly possible and moved heaven and earth to save as many of your lives as possible". What will you be able to say, "Taught by Ladislaus and co, we believe it was somehow a "virtue" to sit around doing nothing instead of saving as many babies' lives as possible". Yeah, we'll see which one God/the children approve of on the Day of Judgment, but I'm confident it won't be the latter.