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« on: June 15, 2017, 02:15:45 AM »
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    • US immigration officials seized about 40 Chaldean Christians in the Detroit area on June 11 in a crackdown on illegal immigrants.
    Those who were arrested now face possible deportation. In many cases they were already under orders to leave the US, and in most cases they had criminal records.
    Supporters of the Chaldean immigrants fear that if they are forced to return to Iraq, they could face persecution there.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=31814
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    Re: Donald Trump
    « Reply #1 on: June 15, 2017, 02:21:46 AM »
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    • Bishop Francis Kalabat, the Chaldean Catholic bishop of the Eparchy of Saint Thomas the Apostle of Detroit, described the federal government’s immigration roundup of dozens of Detroit-area Iraqi Christians as “a very strange and painful day for our community in America.”
    “With the many Chaldeans that were awakened by Immigration Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents and consequently picked up for deportation, there is a lot of confusion and anger,” he said. “What the Church has been doing is working with the many agencies to try to stop this bleeding.”
    Bishop Kalabat added:
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    The Church does not oppose justice, all hardened criminals that are a danger to society should be picked up. Many who were picked up are not hardened criminals but for the last decades have been great citizens. The Genocide bill that was just passed by Congress last week to protect Christians goes against this very thing.
    This will take a lot of effort but acting in disrespectful ways in front of the federal building only bring harm and not good. We understand the pain that many members of our community are going through but [e]motional outbursts will not bring change.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=31839
     
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    Chaldean-Christian Illegals Arrested ("Trump" is bait only--not mentioned)
    « Reply #2 on: June 15, 2017, 03:00:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on June 15, 2017, 02:15:45 AM
    US immigration officials seized about 40 Chaldean Christians in the Detroit area on June 11 in a crackdown on illegal immigrants.  Those who were arrested now face possible deportation. In many cases they were already under orders to leave the US, and in most cases they had criminal records.  Supporters of the Chaldean immigrants fear that if they are forced to return to Iraq, they could face persecution there.

    Poche!
    •  Quit using excessively large type--it's another form of Internet shouting!     (Matthew already fixed the overly-small-type readability problem a few days ago).
    •  Quit creating topics with bogus click-bait Subjects! (being a common spamming technique, it ought to be a bannable offense;  I won't be the only CathInfo member who will not be amused to realize that "Donald Trump" was not mentioned anywhere in your initial 2 postings in a topic on which you deceptively put his name).
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    Re: Chaldean-Christian Illegals Arrested ("Trump" is bait only--not mentioned)
    « Reply #3 on: June 15, 2017, 03:16:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on June 15, 2017, 02:15:45 AM
    US immigration officials seized about 40 Chaldean Christians in the Detroit area on June 11 in a crackdown on illegal immigrants [†].  Those who were arrested now face possible deportation. In many cases they were already under orders to leave the US, and in most cases they had criminal records [‡].  Supporters of the Chaldean immigrants fear that if they are forced to return to Iraq, they could face persecution there [†].

    Poche!
    As for the substance of your lament:

    Chaldean Bishop Francis Kalabat [¢] needs to make sure that real-life lessons about sovereign countries that are not their own, which any & all illegal immigrants among his putative flock dismiss at their own peril, are urgently preached to their Christian countrymen "back home".

    Note †: So those noncitizens, who were captured according to U.S. federal laws , had already committed the criminal act of trespass across a U.S. sovereign border, and were thus present in the U.S.A. Lower 48 without official permission?  Bishop Kalabat needs to get it thro' his mitre (or turban) and his skull that contrary to his "talking point", in the U.S.A., not only are illegal immigrants not "great citizens", but they are not any kind of U.S. "citizens" at all.

    Note ‡: When your source reports "in most cases they had criminal records",  does that mean "criminal" in addition to criminal violation of the U.S. sovereign border?   If so, they should've known not to run further afoul of U.S. law by criminally misbehaving as uninvited trespassing guests.  Waiting to determine whether any illegal immigrant who's been located--possibly only temporarily--by U.S. law enforcement is a "hardened criminal that [is] a danger to society"--or not--would be negligence & nonfeasance: plain failure to perform one's law-enforcement duties, never mind how Bishop Kalabat would like U.S. immigration enforcement to be conducted.

    Note ¢: Formally the "Chaldean Catholic bishop of the Eparchy of Saint Thomas the Apostle of Detroit".   Hmmm.  I never knew that "Saint Thomas" was also "the Apostle of Detroit",  but CatholicCulture.org says he was, so who am I to dare doubt?
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    Re: Chaldean-Christian Illegals Arrested ("Trump" is bait only--not mentioned)
    « Reply #4 on: June 16, 2017, 04:51:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: AlligatorDicax on June 15, 2017, 03:16:16 PM
    Poche!
    As for the substance of your lament:

    Chaldean Bishop Francis Kalabat [¢] needs to make sure that real-life lessons about sovereign countries that are not their own, which any & all illegal immigrants among his putative flock dismiss at their own peril, are urgently preached to their Christian countrymen "back home".

    Note †: So those noncitizens, who were captured according to U.S. federal laws , had already committed the criminal act of trespass across a U.S. sovereign border, and were thus present in the U.S.A. Lower 48 without official permission?  Bishop Kalabat needs to get it thro' his mitre (or turban) and his skull that contrary to his "talking point", in the U.S.A., not only are illegal immigrants not "great citizens", but they are not any kind of U.S. "citizens" at all.

    Note ‡: When your source reports "in most cases they had criminal records",  does that mean "criminal" in addition to criminal violation of the U.S. sovereign border?   If so, they should've known not to run further afoul of U.S. law by criminally misbehaving as uninvited trespassing guests.  Waiting to determine whether any illegal immigrant who's been located--possibly only temporarily--by U.S. law enforcement is a "hardened criminal that [is] a danger to society"--or not--would be negligence & nonfeasance: plain failure to perform one's law-enforcement duties, never mind how Bishop Kalabat would like U.S. immigration enforcement to be conducted.

    Note ¢: Formally the "Chaldean Catholic bishop of the Eparchy of Saint Thomas the Apostle of Detroit".   Hmmm.  I never knew that "Saint Thomas" was also "the Apostle of Detroit",  but CatholicCulture.org says he was, so who am I to dare doubt?
    The Chaldean Catholics are a traditional Catholic community who are found mostly in Iraq. they are our fellow Catholics. Maybe you haven't heard what has been happening in that part of the world. Bullets flying at the Christians.    
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    Re: Chaldean-Christian Illegals Arrested ("Trump" is bait only--not mentioned)
    « Reply #5 on: June 16, 2017, 05:07:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on June 16, 2017, 04:51:25 AM
    The Chaldean Catholics are a traditional Catholic community who are found mostly in Iraq. they are our fellow Catholics. Maybe you haven't heard what has been happening in that part of the world. Bullets flying at the Christians.    
    It's not our job to bring them here and turn them into Americans.  
    It is America's job to stop funding ISIS.
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    Re: Chaldean-Christian Illegals Arrested ("Trump" is bait only--not mentioned)
    « Reply #6 on: June 17, 2017, 01:35:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on June 16, 2017, 05:07:53 AM
    It's not our job to bring them here and turn them into Americans.  
    It is America's job to stop funding ISIS.
    And in the meantime should we be employing a policy that directly or indirectly pushes them into the front lines of the ISIS guns? 
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    Re: Chaldean-Christian Illegals Arrested ("Trump" is bait only--not mentioned)
    « Reply #7 on: June 17, 2017, 01:50:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on June 17, 2017, 01:35:49 AM
    And in the meantime should we be employing a policy that directly or indirectly pushes them into the front lines of the ISIS guns?
    I like Trump's idea of creating a safe zone for them in Syria.  It's one of the reasons I voted for him.
    Plus, it's their job to defend their own country.  It's our job to get out of their country.
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    Re: Chaldean-Christian Illegals Arrested ("Trump" is bait only--not mentioned)
    « Reply #8 on: June 17, 2017, 04:22:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on June 17, 2017, 01:50:36 AM
    I like Trump's idea of creating a safe zone for them in Syria.  It's one of the reasons I voted for him.
    Plus, it's their job to defend their own country.  It's our job to get out of their country.
    After we have ruined their country
    :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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    Re: Donald Trump
    « Reply #9 on: June 21, 2017, 12:11:40 AM »
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    • Chaldean Catholic Patriarch Louis Sako has urged Iraqi Catholics to return to their homes in the Nineveh Plain regime, to help with the rebuilding process after the area was liberated from the Islamic State.
    After visiting the region, the Iraqi prelate praised the aid agencies that have begun the process of reconstruction in Christian villages, but said that the process cannot be successful unless the residents who fled from the Islamic State return to live there. He chastised those who are “waiting to receive everything from the state and charitable organizations,” challenging Christian families to do their part in the rebuilding process.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=31901
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    Re: Donald Trump
    « Reply #10 on: June 24, 2017, 12:58:42 AM »
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    • A federal court has blocked the plan of US immigration authorities to deport nearly 200 Iraqi natives, most of them Chaldean Christians, who were seized in raids in the Detroit area.
    Judge Mark Goldsmith issued a 14-day stay on deportation proceedings, while he weighs a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). The ACLU argues that the immigrants could face persecution if they are returned to Iraq. “US law prohibits the removal of individuals to countries where they would face a likelihood of persecution or torture,” the ACLU lawsuit stated. “Many of the Petitioners are Chaldean Christians, who are widely recognized as targets of brutal persecution in Iraq.”
    Judge Goldsmith said that he would use the 14-stay to weigh the arguments in the case and decide whether a federal court—rather than an immigration court—has proper jurisdiction in the case. The judge said that the potential danger to the the immigrants if they are returned to Iraq “far outweighs any conceivable interest the government might have in the immediate enforcement of the removal orders.”
    Most of the Iraqi immigrants who were rounded up in the Detroit area have lived in the US for decades, albeit without legal authorization. All have arrest records, although their supporters argue that few can be regarded as threats to public safety.
    From Iraq, Chaldean Catholic Patriarch Louis Sako wrote to express his sympathy with the Christians who are facing possible deportation, and his hope for a solution that would preserve them from danger. He remarked that the situation points to the need for migrants to ensure that they have attained legal status.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=31937
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    Re: Donald Trump
    « Reply #11 on: June 24, 2017, 03:48:16 AM »
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    • Most of the Iraqi immigrants who were rounded up in the Detroit area have lived in the US for decades, albeit without legal authorization. All have arrest records, although their supporters argue that few can be regarded as threats to public safety.

    so... they are illegally trespassing, have been brazenly breaking the law for decades, and some are actually threats to public safety while others are various other kinds of criminals .  Probably a large majority are sucking up social service dollars while adding to the crime rate. Not very good Christians are they? Not going to be very good Americans either, if they ever bother. Doesn't look like they appreciate the opportunity to improve their situation and intend to continue being a detriment rather than a benefit to the rest of us. We have enough criminals who are actually citizens, we don't need any more.
     They can go back.
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    Re: Chaldean-Christian Illegals Arrested ("Trump" is bait only--not mentioned)
    « Reply #12 on: June 24, 2017, 04:03:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on June 17, 2017, 04:22:19 AM
    After we have ruined their country
    :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
    They must go back.
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    Re: Donald Trump
    « Reply #13 on: June 24, 2017, 05:38:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant on June 24, 2017, 03:48:16 AM
    Most of the Iraqi immigrants who were rounded up in the Detroit area have lived in the US for decades, albeit without legal authorization. All have arrest records, although their supporters argue that few can be regarded as threats to public safety.

    so... they are illegally trespassing, have been brazenly breaking the law for decades, and some are actually threats to public safety while others are various other kinds of criminals .  Probably a large majority are sucking up social service dollars while adding to the crime rate. Not very good Christians are they? Not going to be very good Americans either, if they ever bother. Doesn't look like they appreciate the opportunity to improve their situation and intend to continue being a detriment rather than a benefit to the rest of us. We have enough criminals who are actually citizens, we don't need any more.
    They can go back.
    You would send them to face ISIS?
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    Re: Donald Trump
    « Reply #14 on: June 24, 2017, 07:45:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on June 24, 2017, 05:38:22 AM
    You would send them to face ISIS?
    I like Trump's idea of creating a safe zone for them in Syria.  It's one of the reasons I voted for him.
    Plus, it's their job to defend their own country.  It's our job to get out of their country.
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