Catholic Info
Traditional Catholic Faith => Politics and World Leaders => Topic started by: graceseeker on October 11, 2017, 05:44:04 PM
-
for some reason i was never crazy about JP II
I read a book on JP I, although it didn't go into details about his personal life and etc... and yet what i read led me to believe he was a saint or close to it.
Pius XII deprived himself of comforts in order to feel solidarity w/ the suffering Jews during WWII
he slept on a hard wood floor, i have heard and other austerities
John XXIII does not seem saintly although I admit I don't know much aabout him either. I need to get to a Catholic bookstore soon
-
Yes, you need to read ....
You can read on internet.
-
"Even more [God] is like our mother..." (http://He is our father; even more he is our mother.)
Yeah, John Paul I would not be a saint. There is quite a bit on him, despite being possibly the pope for 33 days.
-
No to all:
1. Conciliars have no excuse, and no authority to canonize anyone.
1. Conciliar "popes" esp. can't plead ignorance; save external evidence to the contrary, they died as conciliar "popes". No saint is resident of Hell.
2. Pope Pius XII may be in Heaven, and I hope and pray that he is, but there were and are none to canonize him.
Preemption: Association with is not membership of. (Yeah yeah, unless you "join" an association shut up...)
-
No to all:
1. Conciliars have no excuse, and no authority to canonize anyone.
1. Conciliar "popes" esp. can't plead ignorance; save external evidence to the contrary, they died as conciliar "popes". No saint is resident of Hell.
2. Pope Pius XII may be in Heaven, and I hope and pray that he is, but there were and are none to canonize him.
Dante is more relevant today.
Indeed, most likely, the bishops (conciliar popes) are the lampposts in hell.
-
Yes, you need to read ....
You can read on internet.
I don't have internet
but I will not remain in ignorance for long one way or the other...
-
"Even more [God] is like our mother..." (http://He is our father; even more he is our mother.)
Yeah, John Paul I would not be a saint. There is quite a bit on him, despite being possibly the pope for 33 days.
only God knows
but its possible he was not anticahtolic enough for those around him. I think Cardinal Villot may have killed him... why he wasn't not suspected is beyond me
Markinkus didn't look too good but Villot... he had a motive also
-
I don't have internet
But...
-
I don't have internet
but I will not remain in ignorance for long one way or the other...
You have to have (access to) internet to use CathInfo.
.
You have questioned the sanctity ofseveral personages on two different threads which you started.
.
The role of pope carries with it no guarantee of sanctity and you will find that any true saint popes we already saintly before they were burdened with the duties and priveleges of the papacy.
.
May I suggest that some of the time that you spent on CathInfo you could study the lives of the saints - maybe read up on a saint a day so you come to understand what is sanctity, and of course increase your knowlege of the faith.
.
God bless you.
-
Graceseeker, there are some good sites about the saints. One which is run by a member here is saintsworks which might be a help.
Here is a wise quote which came up when I opened up, which may be helpful:
.
'When harmed, insulted or persecuted by someone, do not think of the present but wait for the future, and you will find he has brought you much good, not only in this life but also in the life to come.'
St. Mark the Ascetic
http://saintsworks.net/AboutSaintsWorks.html
There are links there that will lead you saints quotes, saints books and others useful information and knowledge. Give it a try.
-
Pope Francis is considering whether he will make Pope Pius XII a saint, in the same way that he approved the cause of John XXIII.
A source who works at the Vatican’s Congregation for Causes of Saints, who asked for anonymity, told CNA July 25 that “just as Pope Francis moved ahead with John XXIII’s canonization, he is considering the same thing for Pius XII.”
According to the normal procedures, Pius XII would be beatified once a miracle attributed to his intercession is officially certified by a team of doctors and recognized by a commission of cardinals.
But if Pope Francis decides to go ahead without a miracle, he could “even canonize him with the formula of scientia certa (certainty in knowledge), thereby jumping over the step of beatification,” the source said.
“Only the Pope is able to do it, and he will, if he wants to.”
Pope Francis is very interested in Pius XII because “he considers him ‘a great,’ in the same way as John XXIII is, even if for different reasons,” the source explained.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-thinking-about-declaring-pius-xii-a-saint
-
Graceseeker, there are some good sites about the saints. One which is run by a member here is saintsworks which might be a help.
Here is a wise quote which came up when I opened up, which may be helpful:
.
'When harmed, insulted or persecuted by someone, do not think of the present but wait for the future, and you will find he has brought you much good, not only in this life but also in the life to come.'
St. Mark the Ascetic
http://saintsworks.net/AboutSaintsWorks.html
There are links there that will lead you saints quotes, saints books and others useful information and knowledge. Give it a try.
that's a good quote.
I notice that, looking back @ my life, I was always doing way better when I read Catholic books every day, whtehr on the saints or related stuff..
Thanks
-
Pope Francis is considering whether he will make Pope Pius XII a saint, in the same way that he approved the cause of John XXIII.
A source who works at the Vatican’s Congregation for Causes of Saints, who asked for anonymity, told CNA July 25 that “just as Pope Francis moved ahead with John XXIII’s canonization, he is considering the same thing for Pius XII.”
According to the normal procedures, Pius XII would be beatified once a miracle attributed to his intercession is officially certified by a team of doctors and recognized by a commission of cardinals.
But if Pope Francis decides to go ahead without a miracle, he could “even canonize him with the formula of scientia certa (certainty in knowledge), thereby jumping over the step of beatification,” the source said.
“Only the Pope is able to do it, and he will, if he wants to.”
Pope Francis is very interested in Pius XII because “he considers him ‘a great,’ in the same way as John XXIII is, even if for different reasons,” the source explained.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-thinking-about-declaring-pius-xii-a-saint
that is very strange b/c I heard somewhere that John was already canonized!
and I don't think there should be any skipping over of a miracle.
I am wondering if NO popes can really canonized anyone?
-
...
I am wondering if NO popes can really canonized anyone?
Look, are they vicars of Christ or aren't they?
Feel like I'm taking crazy pills any more...
-
a priest who is ordained w/ no intention of living the l ife of a priest
is not a priest.
that is my opinion. I don't know what the Church officially teaches. But it would be like me joining the Dem party just to infiltrate or spy or whatever. Does that make me a Dem?
-
a priest who is ordained w/ no intention of living the l ife of a priest
is not a priest.
that is my opinion. I don't know what the Church officially teaches. But it would be like me joining the Dem party just to infiltrate or spy or whatever. Does that make me a Dem?
You need to be extremely careful in matters like these; subjects like "intention" are very involved.
For example, what kind of intention?
It sounds to me like you're describing at least two different kinds of persons:
1. The "Ecclesial slacker" (privation of intent)
2. The committed, deliberate and malicious adversary. (positive malicious intent)
The first hardly has the sand or the gumption to be the latter.
Then there is intention as pertains to sacraments.
Q: You find out that your "bishop" is a mason; what sacraments, if any, administered by him are valid?
-
that's a good quote.
I notice that, looking back @ my life, I was always doing way better when I read Catholic books every day, whtehr on the saints or related stuff..
Thanks
I thought it good. Keep on reading holy books. Do you like this one?
'I wish thy heart to serve Me as a refuge wherein I may withdraw and take My delight when sinners persecute and drive Me from theirs.'
The Lord, to St. Margaret Mary Alacoque
http://www.saintsquotes.net/index.htm is like a Lucky Dip.
-
a priest who is ordained w/ no intention of living the l ife of a priest
is not a priest.
that is my opinion. I don't know what the Church officially teaches. But it would be like me joining the Dem party just to infiltrate or spy or whatever. Does that make me a Dem?
Ex opere operantis Christi - That means that it does not depend on the holiness or lack thereof of the priest for the sacraments to be valid.
-
I thought it good. Keep on reading holy books. Do you like this one?
'I wish thy heart to serve Me as a refuge wherein I may withdraw and take My delight when sinners persecute and drive Me from theirs.'
The Lord, to St. Margaret Mary Alacoque
http://www.saintsquotes.net/index.htm is like a Lucky Dip.
yes, that's great
I definitely see people persecuting Jesus through ME
most don't see Jesus in me, although he is obviously there (obvious to me anyhow)
-
How about this one, Graceseeker?
'I must work with all my strength to destroy self-love and self-interest.' St. Bernadette Soubirous
http://www.saintsquotes.net/index.htm